[Closed] Sir David of Beckham

Tell you what - it is possibly a very good way of ensuring that the french government get no tax from him. Or is that just the UK where that stupid tax thing happens?

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I can only dream of being so open minded.

At least you've got your dreams.

If someone is going to use Total Worth on one side of a comparison, and just Salary on the other.

Then the comparison makes no sense at all.

It does if you apply a bit of common sense, rather than using simple figures to form the basis of an argument. A bit of lateral thinking is needed here though, however. Not a lot of evidence some folk on here are capable of that.

What a bellend

Yes you are, aren't you?

Now go and release all that pent-up anger in you, using that nice picture Jamie's kindly posted up.

Toodle pip! 🙂

Yes you are, aren't you?

Ok, can we:

1) Agree to stop calling each other bellends.

2) Agree it's a good thing a charity is getting £3million

3) Agree/Disagree that the donor is either a good egg/manipulative shit and we occupy the high ground/low ground/[s]wombling free[/s].*

*Delete as applicable.

Tip to anybody going to the last post in this thread and working back - don't scroll up (I daresay it's not anything like so disturbing if you start from the top and scroll down).

Tip to anybody going to the last post in this thread and working back - don't scroll up (I daresay it's not anything like so disturbing if you start from the top and scroll down).

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Take the fame out of it and you have:

Talented man is very good at his job.

Lots of good employers want him.

Follows standard upward career path of a motivated and 'in demand' employee.

Adapts his product offering as his career advances to ensure continuing relevance.

Accepts final "trophy role" at back end of career doing a very good job for all his employers and donates salary to good cause while raising awareness for the charity.

I say hats off. I also say there's a huge amount of prejudice because he is famous and a footballer. he's just a guy who is good at his job when you strip it back.

As somebody who isn't a fan of Becks or footy, I'm still quite curious what he's going to do when he stops playing. He is a celebrity who it is possible to find interesting, as he's not just famous for being famous.

[quoye]It does if you apply a bit of common sense, rather than using simple figures to form the basis of an argument. A bit of lateral thinking is needed here though, however. Not a lot of evidence some folk on here are capable of that.

I was actually pointing out that use of "simple figures" (that are incorrect) are no way to form an argument. So thanks for your support. It's much appreciated.

I'm glad you appreciate the use of "lateral thinking" that means you would have spotted the fact that you were actually making my point for me rather than arguing against it.

Happy days.

Beckham will earn a lot of money from merchandising at PSG, this would be taxed at 30 percent under French law.

Do you not think that by giving the income that would have been taxed at 55 percent to charity, he will sell a lot more merchandise through publicity and wind up making more money than if he'd kept the money from PSG.

My understanding, from being an expat (though in a different country) is that by his family living and being educated in the UK and taking no salary from PSG he will probably be domiciled from a tax perspective in the UK so won't be bothered by the French tax rates. I guess he still owns IP on his personal brand which he will argue are not related to French employment and the money he gets from sponsorships etc, which won't be taxed in France.
From where I'm sitting it's a great thing to do for all parties (owner, charity, Beckham, image of the sport) apart from the French taxman.

Anyone care to comment?

Anyone care to comment?

Yes. You're getting desperate.

How are you getting on at that land-mine clearing job?

Thx, let's play 'who said this'

I'll go first.

I think some people need to get over judging others they don't know

Well?

In case you didn't get it, you did. On the thread where you were saying how boring it was spunking £3100 on bikes you have no idea about. Now here you are criticising what a bloke is doing with his cash, despite having to defend yourself against similar accusations on aforementioned thread.

You may wish to join oscillate wildly on the hypocrites table.... Or **** off back under your bridge.

Good on Becks, if he benefits from a charity getting a £3 million cheque, that's fine by me.

Don't worry I'll be going somewhere hilariously tragic with MSF once I get the chance.

Thanks for your concern though deadlydarcy.

If he does manage to avoid tax, what it will effectively mean is that the French taxpayer will be footing 55 percent of that donation to charity so that Beckham can earn a nice wage off his sponsorship deals. Whilst you guys that are throwing insults around will be made to look like idiotic deferential aspirational voting fools.

No probs with the concern. Type of guy I am. 8)

In the meantime, like I said earlier, you could offer some menial skills while a Biomedical Scientist position comes up. It would show the world the type of standup guy you can be.

Right, so when's his first game?

In the meantime, like I said earlier, you could offer some menial skills while a Biomedical Scientist position comes up. It would show the works the type of standup guy you can be.

I already do but not with msf, again thanks for your continued concern.

How does Mother Theresa fit into this measure of charitable work, the self-promoting publicity whore that she was?

The stupidity of this post had this song start playing in my head....

Still not seeing seeing pictures of billy big bollocks clearing mines.

Just saying like.

Still not seeing seeing pictures of billy big bollocks clearing mines.

Just saying like.

That's not the point though is it, the point is why should I or others here who have been attacked give a **** about Beckham donating to charity when there are far more people in this world who do much better work for nothing.

As I said....bunch of deferential clowns.....Beckham gave 1.5 million of the taxpayers money and 1.5 million of his own to charity.....omgz that's soooooo amazing111111.....this is like totally for altruistic reasons....wot a heroz....

Wgaf what his motives are? It's not to the detriment of the charity so what's everyone's problem?

Perhaps some of us find his obscene amount of wealth morally offensive?

Pah! 3 million? what a minor league philanthropist. Bill Gates has given away £28 BILIION of his personal fortune and plans to eradicate Polio from the planet. Now if he wanted a bit of tabloid exposure, he'd just buy the tabloids lol. You're out of yer depth with these players Becks 😉

That's not the point though is it, the point is why should I or others here who have been attacked give a **** about Beckham donating to charity when there are far more people in this world who do much better work for nothing.

As I said....bunch of deferential clowns.....Beckham gave 1.5 million of the taxpayers money and 1.5 million of his own to charity.....omgz that's soooooo amazing111111.....this is like totally for altruistic reasons....wot a heroz....

No problems with the concern again.

It sounds like you're losing it to be honest bwaarp. Histrionics will get you nowhere. You can keep brishing arguments against your point under the carpet, all night. But it doesn't get a land mine cleared; and as we've already established, you don't want to go sweeping for them. You'd rather be cosied up in a pop-up lab somewhere doing biomedical science type stuff while everybody else is out there just sorting shit out.

Perhaps some of us find his obscene amount of wealth morally offensive?

I'm sure plenty of us do, as do we find the obscene wealth of countless greedy bastards who never give anything back. I also find preachy folk on the internet that want to tell folk what good to do with their time, when they're not doing it themselves, just a tad hypocritical.

p.s. You'll be needing a pair of these.

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"Perhaps some of us find his obscene
amount of wealth morally offensive?"

Why? Can you explain this?

He's a guy who has worked hard to reach the top in a well paid industry. Beckham was set to be a top player way before the recent pay escalation in the top flight game.

By your logic, none of us should strive to reach the top in our chosen profession. It just happens Beckham's job is in a higher paid and more publicly visible industry than others.

Sounds like politics of envy from another armchair socialist to me.

That's not the point though is it

It's funny, because when you mentioned clearing land mines it seemed pretty important.

But when it gets thrown back at you it's "not the point"

Your not doing very well are you ? 😐

Oh sweet Jesus...make it stop 😡

P.S: Mods, by which I don't mean close the thread. People need to know about Beckham's saintliness 8)

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the point is why should I or others here who have been [u]attacked[/u]

In what way have you been attacked.

I mean aside from people pointing out the truth that you're a self important clown with limited worth to the world, and hence should't be casting aspersions about someone who is quite clearly giving quite a lot, by anyone's metric.

Biomedical you may be. Scientist clearly you are not, else you would come up with slightly more substantial arguments. Enjoy your career as burger-flipper (DNA extractor) in chief.

It's funny, because when you mentioned clearing land mines it seemed pretty important.

But when it gets thrown back at you it's "not the point"

Your not doing very well are you ?

Holy shit, did I say I was clearing landmines? The point was, why should he become venerated to some kind of saint/get a noble peace prize....when there are people in this world that do far better work - eg clear landmines.

I mean aside from people pointing out the truth that you're a self important clown with limited worth to the world, and hence should't be casting aspersions about someone who is quite clearly giving quite a lot, by anyone's metric.

Biomedical you may be. Scientist clearly you are not, else you would come up with slightly more substantial arguments. Enjoy your career as burger-flipper (DNA extractor) in chief.

A device is yet to be invented that will measure my indifference to your post zokes.

"Perhaps some of us find his obscene
amount of wealth morally offensive?"

Why? Can you explain this?

By your logic, none of us should strive to reach the top in our chosen profession.

Sounds like politics of envy from another armchair socialist to me

Do we have to do such lazy caricatures on STW ?
For example It sounds to me like a lazy right wing dig from an amoral person who worships personal wealth and turns a blind eye to starvation and poverty whilst dressing it up as personal growth and success
Its not hard to do but are you any more convinced by my argument now i have been rude?

I think the right wing folk are more likely to be envious tbh
i dont want this level of wealth personally what I want a fairer world. I guess that us a bit harder to insult though so you stick with the envy lie.

What a witty riposte.
Theres only one bellend here, and that's you mate.

You see, the problem with a lot of pongos is that whenever they disagree with someone....they resort to calling them bellends and/or brawling.

Living up to the stereotype there wrecker.

would you like pictures of starving children and pictures of beckhams clothes collection to work out why some folk think this is obscene? Its not really hard to think of better things we can do with [ or the other very wealth individuals] wealth that would make the world a better place and leave fewer of us dying etc

So how much is too much? I'm not rich or even well off, but myself and my family are not starving. I buy things that I don't really need, like nice bikes and electrical goods. Is my lifestyle obscene?

Is my lifestyle obscene?

You disgust me 😡

Well I didn't mean THAT part of it. Just the money stuff. 😀

If i had a choice of going for a pint with Beckham or the multitude of bitter losers outing themselves on this thread, i know what my choice would be.

I'll have a magnum of cristal please David 8)

Do we have to do such lazy caricatures on
STW ?

For example It sounds to me like a lazy
right wing dig from an amoral person who
worships personal wealth and turns a
blind eye to starvation and poverty whilst
dressing it up as personal growth and
success

Its not hard to do but are you any more
convinced by my argument now i have
been rude?

I think the right wing folk are more likely
to be envious tbh
i
i dont want this level of wealth personally
what I want a fairer world. I guess that us
a bit harder to insult though so you stick
with the envy lie.

Blimey. Didn't expect to be called amoral for questioning why someone finds wealth so disgusting.

Beckham is simply a worker in a well paid industry. As has been asked, how much is too much then?

Would you give up your bikes, car, holidays etc and work for minimum wage, because that is the logical conclusion of that argument. Or do you (and I'm taking a punt here) accept the going rate for your industry?

Beckham simply earns the going rate for his position in his industry. I applaud anyone who has worked hard over a long time to enjoy a succesful career and the benefits it brings, as he has.

But all the moral posturing is ultimately irrelevant. The important thing is that a succesful young family man who has made a lot of money legally and honestly, has now pledged a lot of money to a good cause. And for that, he should be praised.

The guy's got kids. The guy loves kids. He gives £3m to make kids stay in hospital a more comfortable time. How can anyone on this planet find anything to moan at him about?

How can anyone on this planet find anything to moan at him about?

I'm becoming increasingly convinced that several STW posters are not of this world.

Didn't expect to be called amoral for questioning why someone finds wealth so disgusting.

Sadly i have got used to being called envious because i value fairness above personal wealth and would like to feed starving kids rather than let billionaires have some more yachts, houses, homes etc.
I was not really insulting you I was juts pointing out it is easy to do and pointless.

Beckham is simply a worker in a well paid industry. As has been asked, how much is too much then?

Or do you (and I'm taking a punt here) accept the going rate for your industry?

Beckham simply earns the going rate for his position in his industry. I applaud anyone who has worked hard over a long time to enjoy a succesful career and the benefits it brings, as he has.

But all the moral posturing is ultimately irrelevant. The important thing is that a succesful young family man who has made a lot of money legally and honestly, has now pledged a lot of money to a good cause. And for that, he should be praised.

How can anyone on this planet find anything to moan at him about?

Apparently they are all just envious and are not of this world

Crosses fingers insults leads to epiphany for these poor souls.

To be fair JY, we were discussing his donation.

The morality of his wealth is a different discussion and belongs on a different thread IMO.

OK fair enough DD but I answered a question posed and I have not really followed the thread tbh

Withdraws

I guess i should exit stage Left given my politics

I'll join you. 😉

You see, the problem with a lot of pongos is that whenever they disagree with someone....they resort to calling them bellends and/or brawling.
Living up to the stereotype there wrecker.

What can I say? I am what I am.
I do try to reserve the word "bellend" to those deserving of the title though. Well, those and craphats. 😀

1) Agree to stop calling each other bellends.

😥

I didn't!

Thx, let's play 'who said this'

I'll go first.

I think some people need to get over judging others they don't know
Well?

In case you didn't get it, you did. On the thread where you were saying how boring it was spunking £3100 on bikes you have no idea about. Now here you are criticising what a bloke is doing with his cash, despite having to defend yourself against similar accusations on aforementioned thread.

You may wish to join oscillate wildly on the hypocrites table.... Or **** off back under your bridge.

I think some folk need to calm down over this, as it's now getting a bit personal and unnecessary.

tomhoward; I'd become bored with spending ages in a bike shop, trying bikes that felt pretty similar (to me). Not with spending my own money. Just to set you straight on that one. And it appears the amount I spent is at least comparable to most people on this forum, and even quite a bit less than some. On things I expect to own for many years, that will give me good service and help my enjoy riding. How much have you spent on bikes? I hardly think my spending is in quite the same league as David Beckham's, when it comes to 'luxury products'.

And speaking of 'luxury products'; this is a man who is famed for living an incredibly ostentatious lifestyle. Luxury cars, several homes around the World (in the most expensive and desirable areas of course), a love of designer clothes, holidays in the most desirable locations, etc.

The morality of his wealth is a different discussion and belongs on a different thread IMO.

No it doesn't; this is the perfect place to discuss such matters, regardless of wether you personally want to or not.

Now let's talk about those ethics and morals: The Beckhams have holidayed in Dubai. Google 'Dubai Workers exploitation' to find out more about the reality of how the super rich are catered for, and the human cost of that. Beckhams' signature underpant range is made in China (strangely, H+M refuse to reveal which factory). So at least part of the Beckham's lifestyle is made possible because of the exploitation of others.

So forgive me if I don't get carried away on the wave of sycophantic adoration that some of you have been. I just don't see why he's so 'deserving' of such praise, when people like nurses, paramedics etc do a far more socially beneficial job, for relatively very little reward. And I am free to express such opinions, regardless of what others think.

Thx, let's play 'who said this'

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[i]It wasn't me[/i]

Wrecker; you have contributed nothing to this thread other than attack and abuse others for having an opinion. Why not simply back off and find something else to do, if you have nothing constructive to add?

Oh do shut up and stop being so precious.
Whingey "I got a nasty email from a nasty man". Go tell the padre. Relax and stop being so damned boring. NObody's going to even bother reading the flurry of self-righteous claptrap above.

Oooooooooooooooooo. Hark at her?

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Why are you so angry, Wrecker? Why not simply state your own opinions in a calm and considerate manner? It's an interesting topic, and by debating it, perhaps we can all gain better perspective on things. Resorting to angry insults is just a bit childish really.