[Closed] Should Theresa May resign?

I think she's had enough.

all thats left is vainglorious idiots.

Yup.

But you underestimate the feral desire for power of the potential candidates.

The Tory party is so much better than Labour at ruthlessness.
Always have been, it's one of their major strengths.

Look how quickly and brutally they got rid of fatcha once they knew she'd run her course. Ironic considering how they idolise her now

May was finished on the morning of the election result. I'm sure she'd have done a Dave and walked then. But the powers that be know that the senile old racists that constitute their membership will elect Boris Johnson as... well... they're senile old racists. They love that shit!

So like most rational people, the Tory paymasters know that he is a self-serving egotistical clown, and the damage he would do, if left in charge of Brexit, would do irreparable damage to the country, usher in economic catastrophe, and more importantly to them, end their gravy train and make the Tory's unelectable for a generation, at least

But there's nobody else either. So Theresa gets told once again "you broke it, you own it! You're going nowhere!"

, I despair at the state of Uk politics.

Just wait until you hear that Rudd/Mair car crash !

What a bunch of muppets, thank god they’re not running the country... oh wait...

D’oh.

I don't care what anyone says, someone was intentionally shaking that wall during her speech and Lee Nelson was an inside job.

None of that should detract from what an utter shitstorm facing the conservatives. I'd dearly like to see them consigned to the electoral doldrums, basically forever.

The Eddie Mar interview was a thing of beauty

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Mair asked the kind of pointed, pertinent questions that should have been put to May, not Rudd.

Not sure she can resign, or that things would be better if she did. What a stalemate.

Boris doesn't like having it pointed out to him, in gloriously graphic fashion, that he's not half as clever as he thinks he is, does he?

A great day,
Mrs May gives a speech,
And f's off

Not a single security guard or Cabinet member did anything when the protestor got to May, he was mobbed by camera men, every attendee just sat dumbfounded

Just imagine if they did that on prescott's watch!

"Somebody I'd like to give a P45 to"

Went down well with the zealots in the hall, and not a bad ad-lib in the circumstances, but when you examine the idea properly:

- if Corbyn was rubbish, then TM wouldn't want him to get the sack
- it's actually JC who's effectively handed TM her P45 (though she has a long notice period)

I'm interested to see people saying they feel sorry for her though - that seems a normal human reaction towards another human having a tough time. Whatever you might think of her and her policies, and even that she's brought it all on herself (personally I don't believe she's an inherently bad person, just completely out of her depth), she's clearly in a bad place.

I also think a lot of the commentary on the speech is a bit unfair - sure criticise the content, don't have a go at her for being ill.

sure criticise the content

Oh, go on then - have we done how it was ripped off from the West Wing?

don't have a go at her for being ill.

the coughing not her fault, nor the sign collapse, the shoddy security?, Johnson , Mogg etc undermining May so much that shes just reduced to a walking punchline for comedians ?

This was sold as her comeback speech to unite the party, the cough alone would have been bad enough, I am no fan but genuinely felt sorry for her then, seeing a parade of Torys tell us how she struggled through adversity to finish the speech like she'd survived a life threatening illness I lost my sympathy.

as for the content, her fix to the housing crisis equates to <20 house per local authority over 3 years.....

Yeah, like the massive commitment to the 'Northern Powerhouse' amounted to having a root around the back of the sofa to see what loose change they found. While there are still limitless billions for Crossrail in London, and HS2 which nobody in the north prioritises over our woefully underfunded, Victorian era public transport

I don't know how she can keep a straight face while she's announcing these insults. Which will probably be quietly cancelled within a couple of weeks anyway. Like all other previous grand announcements.

They can * right off, the patronising *s! Do they think we've all just fallen out of a ****ing tree?

Do they think we've all just fallen out of a ****ing tree?

Well, going by recent referendum and election results, they'd be right to think that.

Harsh but true. I think that once they can no longer get their mates in the press to blame the EU, who have actually funded stuff that a London-centric government would never even contemplate, things might change fairly rapidly. Even for the proper thicko's

A lot of Tory MPs have privately expressed concerns about rioting when 'the provinces' realise how much they've been conne.

This shit is just the latest slap in the face

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Ouch

Well at least she didn't let being a bit ill stop her from going to work #ToryValues

Wouldn't trust the legs on that sofa to last more than a month in our house.

If she did something about the poisonous air she may not have such a nasty tickle.

See, I almost fell into that trap of feeling sorry for her on a human level. As most sketch writers have pointed out in response to the "British dream" tagline, her speech was like an anxiety dream come true on many levels. Like finding yourself naked during an exam while your teeth are falling out.

Then I remembered that swivel-eyed, nativist "citizen of nowhere" guff she came out with this time last year, to huge cheers, and I wondered how karma managed to get hold of accreditation for the Conservative Party conference.

The two major parties are in total disarray and neither are fit to govern. The leaders of all three major parties are unfit for purpose too.

I only see one party in total disarray.

The Tories have been tested and have proved how hopeless they are.

But Jeremy said....and Jeremy would....

While I feel a smidge of sympathy for being ill during a conference....

"She's had a cold all week"

"She did 20 interviews yesterday"

ermm....

When facing a crisis of leadership, of her party and her country, and needing to deliver in a way that unites and galvanises, this seems to me to be once again a triumph of failing to plan and adapt to the changing situation. Yes, you don't KNOW that the consequences of 20 interviews (where you have been told to get emotional and angry and... to appear more human) might be to lose you voice but you need to be 100.000% sure that you won't. Sure, fallout from 'doesn't want to talk to certain papers / press' but compared to this.

As for security and the set. I can only hope a conservative Malcolm Tucker is self combusting right now

"WHICH UNT WAS ESONSIBLE FOR THAT UCKING OM ISHAMBLES!!!!!"

muggomagic - Member
Wouldn't trust the legs on that sofa to last more than a month in our house.

Hang on, DFS haven't got a sale on?
It's the end of days.

fp not on kimbers post

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Then I remembered that swivel-eyed, nativist "citizen of nowhere" guff she came out with this time last year, to huge cheers, and I wondered how karma managed to get hold of accreditation for the Conservative Party conference.

😆

She's been dead in the water since the election..

Can the people not ask for a vote of incompetence for chrying out there’s an entire future of a country dangling in the wind here , and if that debacle was representative of our dear leaders then we are royally ****ed

The hand that wields the knife shall never wear the crown

so who will be stabby and who will be crowned ?

I'm interested to see people saying they feel sorry for her though - that seems a normal human reaction towards another human having a tough time.

Agreed.
Not her fault she's ill.

Exactly rusty, though that was the least if her problems. I'm sure many who have had their disabilities assessed will be very sympathetic.

No, it's her fault she's ****ed the country up though.

It did appear to be a psychosomatic cough to me. She looked devoid of confidence and afraid of making a speech. She might even be aware of the complete and utter cluster **** she is making of the job.

I don’t remember TM campaigning for Brexshit nor JC campaigning much either way. So she can only be attacked for execution post result

If TM goes, who fills the void......? 😯
If the Tories go, who fills the void....? 😯 😯

What a bloody mess. But be careful what you wish for.....

So she can only be attacked for execution post result

teamhurtmore - Member
If the Tories go, who fills the void....?

The void already exists

I'm not sure I could name anyone in the current crop of politicians who is capable of any form of leadership. Amber Rudd? Boris? Andrea ****ing Leadsom? David Davis? Gove? And the other side is scarcely any better.

It's one of those moments where a military coup starts looking like an attractive option.

As I said yesterday - three crap parties with three crap leaders

A tiny number of sensible MPs - but they are a minority

The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

Wahay, right on cue, THM: "but jeremy would...'

Of course brexit will **** up the labour party if and when they get in power. Until they wake up and smell the coffee they'll get no sympathy from me. Idiot brain-dead clueless careerist ****ers the lot of them.

If the Tories go, who fills the void....?

I'm no fan of Corbyn, but surely a majority of the countries population must now look at the utter shambles that is the present Tory party and, given what we've got on at the moment, think 'could it possibly be worse?'

It may well be? Who knows? Difficult to imagine how though.

So our political system remains in this weird limbo. The Tories daren't do anything that could bring about a general election that they're sure to lose. But they've a zombie leader, totally devoid of power and authority, sitting atop a totally divided party that could lapse into open warfare at any point

Meanwhile, the clock ticks away. There was an EU negotiator interviewed on the news the other night. He said that between Mays Florence speech, Johnsons 'red lines' newspapers articles, and David Davis's contradictory ramblings, they still have absolutely no idea what the UK position is on the key Brexit issues that need sorting

All those involved in the government are saying that it's in nobodies interests to crash out without a deal. Well just because that's the case, doesn't mean it won't happen.

Its getting closer by the day, and it seems like the Tory party are more interested in talking about Theresa's ****ing cough!!!

It may well be? Who knows? Difficult to imagine how though.

I've said many times, I'm pretty sure Jezza will make a mess of things with the best interest of the nation and people at heart.

I'm pretty sure whoever leads the Tory party will make just as big a mess of things, but they'll do it to make their mates rich.

mikewsmith - Member
Exactly rusty, though that was the least if her problems. I'm sure many who have had their disabilities assessed will be very sympathetic.

Mike, the irony of me feeling sorry for a woman who actively wishes to cause genuine harm to the most vulnerable people in our society hasn't escaped me.

no idea what the UK position is on the key Brexit issues

That's because there is no UK position and cannot be a UK position on the key Brexit issues. Until enough politicians wake up, smell the coffee, abandon brexit (by any means possible) and face down the fools who got us into this situation.

There are signs though. Like Eddie Mair: "when does the brexit mandate run out?" or words to that effect. He wouldn't have asked that a year ago, it was all full steam ahead and "make a success of brexit" time.

Until then, well I'm going to sit back and enjoy the show. Not so good for those who are getting shafted in the meantime, but most of them voted for it, so excuse me while I fail to give a shit.

I hope the ****ing bitch locked herself in the toilet and bawled her eyes out all night.
She is beyond any compassion.
I always get what I want and I'm starting to get a good feeling about all this.

I've said many times, I'm pretty sure Jezza will make a mess of things with the best interest of the nation and people at heart.

I'm pretty sure whoever leads the Tory party will make just as big a mess of things, but they'll do it to make their mates rich.

THANKYOU.

That puts into words what I've been thinking for a while, far more succinctly than I could.

She's been dead in the water since the election..

'Theresa May is currently the most sane and reasonable option to lead the Tory party. '

Say it out loud. Because it's true. Mad times.

Even if she gets knifed, it may not precipitate a general election, and even if it did, a Labour victory is far from certain. Because Labour has pretty much the same structural and leadership problems. The same back-biting, factional politics, self-interest and cliques.

I'm no fan of Corbyn

What? I thought you were a convert? Please don't tell me you're going the other way again. Not sure this place could cope with the 6th form stuff again. 🙂

Seriously though, this idea that the country is in the grip of idiots on either side is more patronising rubbish from the centrist we-know-best types. THM's posts are a classic example. The fact is that whether you look at this from the right or left, the centrist neo-liberal consensus that has ruled for nearly 40 years has abjectly failed. People are poorer, life is harder, kids have less hope not more, and wealth, class, racial and cultural divides are more distinct than they have been for decades. Rightly or wrongly, the people have decided that a new solution is required, and they'll vote for whoever offers one, whether that's Corbyn, Boris, Ress-Mogg, Farage or whoever. The sooner the centrists get their head around that the sooner we can move on.

Corbyns policies may be too lefty for some

however at least he seems to have built a team of competent people (blah blah Dianne Abbot, yes I know) election campaign was far better run on a lot less money than the torries, they managed something as complex 😉 as party conference without it becoming a political panto

Macdonald was mocked for his 'preparing for a run on the £', but that speaks of far mre forward thinking and dealing with reality than anything that weve seen from the Tories, whether its resting your voice before a big speech, not undermining your leader, continually repeating the same Brexit lies, disastrous U-turns or even having a vague plan for Brexit

Marina Hyde on top form:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/04/boris-lion-king-to-theresa-may-p45-malarial-week-tory-conference

And yet … it must be must be said that for all their wanton ineptitude, and at times grotesque dysfunction, the Tories are still polling around 40%. Meanwhile, at the last count by YouGov – the firm that called the election most accurately - Theresa May led Jeremy Corbyn by eight points on who would make the best prime minister.

Each party – even given their occasionally radioactive levels of self-regard – must be privately gripped by one question: how the hell are we not thrashing this lot? Behind closed doors, both sides must surely be experiencing something of the sensation that has memorably attended various England football internationals down the years. Namely: “How is it possible we’re 1-0 down/only 1-0 up to a ski resort/country with the population of Bristol?”

At moments such as these, most England fans know all too well what that says about their side. Yet neither the Tories nor Labour – both of which can’t wait to tell you how historically useless the other lot are – seem dimly aware what their failure to put themselves comfortably ahead against that kind of adversary says about them.

Consider how each has characterised the other. Do the Tories wonder in private: “How is it possible we’re not 6-0 up against Venezuela’s commie king-over-the-water? What does that say about us?” Do Labour wonder in private: “How is it possible we’re not 6-0 up against this empty-of-ideas, toddler’s telenovela of a government after seven long years of austerity? What does that say about us?”

Um, they had the chance to vote for Corbyn just a few weeks ago, and 60% of them didn't. In fact, more of them voted for the Tories.

Marina Hyde on top form:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/04/boris-lion-king-to-theresa-may-p45-malarial-week-tory-conference

Amen to that.

"Two drunks fighting in a puddle".

kimbers, I hope you aren't suffering under the delusion that labour has a vague plan for brexit.

thecaptain - Member
kimbers, I hope you aren't suffering under the delusion that labour has a vague plan for brexit.

well they kind of do-

sit on the fence & let the Troies own the whole disaster?

Well yeah but that sort of falls apart if they get elected!

labour has a vague plan for brexit.

Of course it does. They plan to be as vague as possible.

Have far more faith in Starmer than Davis

really depends, Tories are crucifying themselves because they arent being honest with what they want & expect from Brexit

[b]IF[/b] labour were in power would they start being more honest with the nation about what they expect will happen?

I bloody love Marina Hyde! She always nails it!

According to Five Live just now, the letter to get the requisite amount of signatures for a no-confidence motion is presently doing the rounds of Tory MPs

Its unbelievable to even think, but what comes next could be even worse

Should all Remain MPs join the lib Dems?
Is there anything more important in politics at the moment that means you back a party that you disagree with ?

binners - Member
I bloody love Marina Hyde! She always nails it!

some proper LOLs in that article

Should all Remain MPs join the lib Dems?

They could, but they'd be out of a job six weeks later, I suspect.

Its unbelievable to even think, but what comes next could be even worse

Exactly. Much as it pains me to offer any crumb of support to the Maybot, the alternatives are deeply unpalatable. And a change of PM is no quick route to a general election for those who support Labour.

binners - Member

"Yeah, like the massive commitment to the 'Northern Powerhouse' amounted to having a root around the back of the sofa to see what loose change they found. While there are still limitless billions for Crossrail in London, and HS2 which nobody in the north prioritises over our woefully underfunded, Victorian era public transport"

Should be a massive open goal for Labour instead they go on about stopping gentrification FFS! I'd love a bit of gentrification!

IF labour were in power would they start being more honest with the nation about what they expect will happen?

It's a possibility kimbers, but I certainly can't vote for labour while they have such an idiotic policy on brexit, because it's more important than everything else put together over the next year or two.

I've never voted tory or labour.
I live in a safe tory seat with labour a distant second.
Almost thinking of voting labour as I want that **** Grayling to have a little bit of a scare.

The furore over the falling membership and average age of a card holding conservative is food for thought.

Apparently, I'm the first member of my family never to have voted conservative in four generations. My family background is classic middle class Tory, but I'm a member of the Labour Party and have been for some time (thanks Ed!).

seems like Rupert has decided it's time for her to go.

Klunk - Member

seems like Rupert has decided it's time for her to go.

Seriously though, this idea that the country is in the grip of idiots on either side is more patronising rubbish from the centrist we-know-best types. THM's posts are a classic example.

Best comment today.

I'm getting tired of seeing how the Tories are here and now - screwing everything up but certain posters keep that resorting to 'there are no choices, two bad leaders and parties.'

Admit your own party has more or less destroyed itself through incompetence and being out of touch with the electorate.

From Withnail and I - "What absolute twaddle."

Now stand aside and let Jezza give it a shot. 😉

Who's his favourite now? Boris, Gove or Mogg?

my guess is Boris to wield the knife Mogg for Ruperts hard brexit

I'm getting tired of seeing how the Tories are here and now - screwing everything up but certain posters keep that resorting to 'there are no choices, two bad leaders and parties.'

The choice appears to be which version of the 70s we're heading back to. Hey ho.

The choice appears to be which version of the 70s we're heading back to. Hey ho.

I loved the 70's. The version I want is where people were at their happiest and equality was at it's best.
Equality has never been as good since and equality leads to happiness.

Yes, something has to give for that to happen - I am fine with that.

Tories too scared of a messy leadership contest precipitating another GE
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No one really wants to be Brexit PM, only Borris wants that poisoned chalice but most of the other MPs think hes a ....

May will be 'permitted' to stay until the next GE or the stress gives her a genuine health scare

The choice appears to be which version of the 70s we're heading back to.

The 1970's or the 1870's.

Apart from the fact that most of labour policies are actually in line with modern socially fair democracies, it's just a tory boy fabrication to label them as dinosaurs to misdirect from their own "Victorian mill owner" oppression.

Wow dazh, you are on a roll here

Seriously though, this idea that the country is in the grip of idiots on either side is more patronising rubbish from the centrist we-know-best types. THM's posts are a classic example.

It's a pleasure 😉

Looking foreword to the alternative narrative

The fact is that whether you look at this from the right or left, the centrist neo-liberal consensus that has ruled for nearly 40 years has abjectly failed. People are poorer, life is harder, kids have less hope not more, and wealth, class, racial and cultural divides are more distinct than they have been for decades.

Ah gobbledygook, not one aspect it this holds up to scrutiny - cue call for the snake oil

Rightly or wrongly, the people have decided that a new solution is required, and they'll vote for whoever offers one, whether that's Corbyn, Boris, Ress-Mogg, Farage or whoever. The sooner the centrists get their head around that the sooner we can move on.

Wrongly, this is what bought us Brexshit, Trump, Corbyn, Bojo etc. That is what we want to avoid. Economics didn't fail - well only parts of it did. We are simply adjusting to two things - the massive accumulation of debt globally and the impacts of globalisation. We are ill-prepared for both. The answers are not the extremes, they simply make the search for solutions much more dangerous.

False dreams, false solutions, false hope....welcome to the new world.

Can you imagine the press conference if/when Boris becomes PM? No one would be able to keep a straight face.

e are simply adjusting to two things - the massive accumulation of debt globally

To me this seems like a failure of pure capitalism. Banks can lend and make money, people can spend and make money, economy grows, people can repay, everyone's happy - at first, then it goes pop of course. But to prevent that we'd need restrictions on the cycle. So, legal restrictions on borrowing? You sound like a liberal, THM, how would that sit with you? Would we be able to do anything else other than legislate?