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And this is to punish Brexiters?
Where did he say it was about punishing brexiters? He said:-
this is not revenge this is protectionism
You didn't bother reading the detail did you? Limited attention span? Brexit voter perchance?
TBH the more brexit supporting posts i see, both here, Facebook and the Internet at large, the more i wonder if the right for everyone to have the vote is overrated.
Quite a lot of them don't seem to understand what they voted for, what the EU is and how it works or even which is their left hand.
You didn't bother reading the detail did you? Limited attention span? Brexit voter perchance?
No, Yes, No.
i wonder if the right for everyone to have the vote is overrated.
I reckon there should be a current affairs and reasoning test with every vote. The result would be used as a multiplier which weights the worth of the vote.
I'm not really serious... ...but it's tempting...
Brexit voter perchance
Well he's not the bellends throwing his toys out the pram because he didn't get his own way ,plenty of small businesses.....ooooooh carrying g on as normal.. Do I wish him financial ruin...no do I hope someone has enough about them not to piss moan and whine about the raw deal they're getting because of others, of course , this is Britain where the sense of self importance is Grande.
You've got to stop smoking that stuff...
I'm starting to think May's just beginning to stitch up the leavers. 😆
I can't believe I bothered to read through all this.
The same battle between empty faith and real world knowledge is still going on, isn't it?
Empty faith delivered the "win", but now the win has occurred, is bugger all use on its own.
If I was in a position to "help make it work" then, despite voting Remain, of course I would.
The reality is doing everything I can to miminise the financial and social impact with those I know and work with.
To achieve that, there is NOTHING to be gained by pretending that the "win" was a good idea, so no, I won't shut up, as people (whether that be customers in other countries, or non-uk born people living amongst us) NEED to be reassured that many of us Brits also think that Leaving the EU is a damn stupid thing for us to be doing.
Accepting the vote is one thing… we are leaving… but I will not allow Britain's outlook and voice be uniquely set by those who "won"… I will keep voicing my, now proven to be countrary to "popular opinion", views on migration, collaboration, humanitarian and political issues. And I urge others to do the same. Nothing to be gained from doing anything different.
I was listening to a bit of [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07k08xd#play ]"Why Did People Vote Leave?" on The Briefing Room (Radio 4)[/url] on the way home.
Christ!
Give it 5 minutes and try not to make yourself hoarse!
Give it 5 minutes and try not to make yourself hoarse!
Is it depressing?
Depends how you feel about an old dear saying she's never been to Europe, but some of her friends have and they said you have to do things differently in Europe and she doesn't want that.
Besides in the old days everyone knew each and now they don't. And she wants that back.
So that's why she voted Leave... 😕
It is depressing but I struggle to know where to direct it. Is it depressing because it tests my faith in democracy; is it depressing because being surrounded by the ignorant is a sad state of affairs; is it depressing because the campaigners and public at large failed to get these people to comprehend the issues they were voting on or all of the above.
I think it's all of the above.
Besides in the old days everyone knew each and now they don't. And she wants that back.
You think that's bad, one of my work colleagues said that before we joined the EU we used to buy sugar cane from the West Indies which was better quality than the sugar cane we are forced to buy now because we're in the EU. He didn't actually know where we buy it from now, but he knows it's not as good as the West Indian stuff. Something to do with the commonwealth apparently.
[quote=thebees ]It's all good for us winners !
Show us your prize then? As a loser I'm curious to see what it looks like
It was depressing listening made even more frustrating because virtually all of the reasons given for a leave vote had little or nothing to do with the EU.
Did it get any better? I had to switch it off after ten minutes as my windscreen was getting covered in spittle.
I was discussing the situation with a colleague a few days ago. She is a well paid professional sales person working for a huge multinational tech firm. We've taken a pretty big hit due to the tech markets main currency being USD. She voted leave.
She wasn't a fan of the EU but didn't really explain why. She wasn't worried about the long term effects as she was planning to retire to Spain in a few years!
There is literally nothing you can do to puncture that kind of stupidity as all these inflated clowns bounce around telling us how they have won.
What are we arguing about now? Anything to avoid work? 😆
On my way back from Harwich this morning (well someone has to go there) it was noticeable that the Leave banners and placards are still in place. It's as if they want someone to clean up after them. Newsflash only 'your mum' clears up after you and she's busy.
I feel more like staying in the EU following Nice than ever.
Creating division, seeing everything as 'them and us' is what creates the environment that nurtures extremism.
Celebrate diversity, welcome others, accept the world is all about nuance and not stark contrast.
There's no winners from putting barricades up.
There's no winners from putting barricades up.
Unless you're Froome and Porte.
But seriously, this +1000. In many ways you can see Brexit as a symptom of divisions and polarisations across the whole of Europe. Countries pulling away from each other when we should be pulling together.
"Celebrate diversity, welcome others, accept the world is all about nuance and not stark contrast."
The EU doesn't welcome others. If you live in Nigeria you can't just move to an EU country.
The UK doesn't at this time welcome *anyone*.
I'm starting to think May's just beginning to stitch up the leavers
That is my take, I'm thinking her plan is to make such a balls up, we have no choice but to rejoin. Either that or start making flint based tools to survive....
"The UK doesn't at this time welcome *anyone*."
Wrong. There are a gazzilion EU and non-EU migrants in my area, they're all welcome and they all have no problem finding work. We're as welcoming as anywhere else.
Celebrate diversity, welcome others, accept the world is all about nuance and not stark contrast.There's no winners from putting barricades up.
Absolutely this. I voted remain, and I didn't even consider the economic effects. It is blindingly obvious that if the human race is to survive we need to stop pretending that various groups are special or different. We have one human race, one planet. The EU was a step away from divisions and a step towards that unity. Being told by the morons that I've abandoned principle in favour of economic self-interest is beyond irony.
And even after 6 pages we are still waiting to hear what exactly it is that we've won. Jamba's list was fine, but he didn't go on to say how those things actually benefited anyone, or why they were better than what we had before. Thebees is just a troll, but there are other Leavers here - can any of you tell us what we've won?
"We have one human race, one planet."
So why join a trade agreement with the nearest handful of countries that prevents us doing deals on an individual basis with the rest of the world? Why not deal with everyone on mutually agreed terms?
Why not deal with everyone on mutually agreed terms?
Yes, a single world government and economic system is what is really needed. Glad you agree.
Because it gives the bloc bargaining power during negotiations to face huge entities such as China.
Turkey could have joined the EU if they'd really wanted to and the EU was setting up free trade deals with the rest of the world - so I don't buy the idea that the EU is racist.
Yes, a single world government and economic system is what is really needed.
You might not like it but think of all the problems it would solve. If mankind lasts long enough I think it's both desirable and inevitable.
If mankind lasts long enough I think it's both desirable and inevitable.
I meant it. The EU was a step in that direction, negotiating 72 separate agreements is a step away from it.
Yes OOB, but the EU is a start. We can expand open borders from there in a sensible managed way (bet someone disagrees with that) to encompass the whole world eventually.
A world without nations.
Actually, a single world government got me thinking. I wonder if the leavers object to the UN too.
Another non-democratic uber-governmental organisation without even having the benefits of a single market.
"Yes OOB, but the EU is a start."
It really isn't. Agreement with 27 nation prevents us individually getting any agreement with the other 170.
There are many good arguments for the EU, improved trade with the rest of the world isn't one of them.
The EU tried for years to reach agreement with India and gave up because all 27 nations couldn't agree terms. The UK alone could get an agreement far quicker.
I'm proposing a different model. Getting neighbouring countries' economies up to speed then allowing them into the union.
Slow measured growth.
Jamba's point on fiscal union would need addressing of course.
And I also agree that there are many good reasons for the EU other than trade.
[i]Actually, a single world government got me thinking. I wonder if the leavers object to the UN too.[/i]
or NATO - a large part of our defense capability controlled by commanders from other countries whilst deployed, the type of munitions our soldiers carried determined by an unelected group of foreigners?
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I wonder if the leavers object to the UN too.
Fox News certainly got a bit confused:
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Wrong. There are a gazzilion EU and non-EU migrants in my area, they're all welcome and they all have no problem finding work. We're as welcoming as anywhere else.
As long as they can dodge the rocks and "We voted so you can leave" brigade, sure.
After 7 pages has it been proved that the Remainers have not cried themselves to sleep?
As long as they can dodge the rocks and "We voted so you can leave" brigade, sure.
None of that where I live. Police issued a statement. No increase in reporting whatsoever.
Last week I met the representative of a Chinese investment consortium, who was in the UK on an extended investment trip. She voiced very real concerns over UK instability following the exit vote and described how her employers have significantly revised their view on risk when associated with potential UK inward investments into their target group of SMEs with useful R&D activity. Their concerns included restrictions on access to the EU market- exactly the sort of concerns voiced by the Remain side as a good reason to stay.
If my unrepresentative sample of 1 is anything to go by, such venture investment may be harder to secure for some time to come. I've yet to hear any really sensible reasons why anyone would have voted exit. Other than the 'Cameron- Bloody Nose' concept.
None of that where I live. Police issued a statement. No increase in reporting whatsoever.
Splendid. We should all move to where you are, the utopia that it is.
You've won shit in a sock. Go on, put your hand in; feel your victory.
very good!
Splendid. We should all move to where you are, the utopia that it is.
I love it that you think somewhere were people don't throw stones at each other and verbally abuse each other is 'Utopia'. 😀