[Closed] ShhhhhhSh.. I think the Remainers have finally cried themselves to sleep

to take the op at face value rather than dismiss him as a simple troll i had not noticed that the remain campaign had gone quiet , on every forum and newspaper the remainers still appear to be protesting ,aside from a predictable couple on here it is the leavers who have gone quite as the paucity of their position is exposed and the prospect of an early or any article 50 was receding.

I still have to hear any plan for leave that goes beyond a vague statement of wishful thinking.

interesting to see expectations of the cost of hiring in the talent for the leave negotiations will be circa £250 million a week roughly the same as we pay to be in the club but with none of the benefits.

Just dishing out some of the insulting shit that remainers find such fun.
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I've got plenty of other irresistible thread titles to follow 😀

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Well I'm waiting to see what plan the new bunch come up with. The deckchair-shuffling won't go on for long, and someone is going to have to say something meaningful soon enough. So far it's just waffle and wishful thinking along the lines of Boris' infamous suicide note just after the vote.

@thebees

Hi Fred!

You take the biscuit for melodramatic tosh. At least be honest with yourself and admit that day to day life goes on as before.

Not really, with the pound tanking against he dollar imports are going to become more expensive, there is a loss of confidence in businesses which is likely to result in a drop in productivity leading to job losses, there won't be significant new job creation (outside a very niche market for EU law and trade negotiation experts). Even Jamba, who is positive long term, has said that there will be short term impacts.

to take the op at face value rather than dismiss him as a simple troll i had not noticed that the remain campaign had gone quiet , on every forum and newspaper the remainers still appear to be protesting ,aside from a predictable couple on here it is the leavers who have gone quite....

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The OP, sadly, remains a troll and should not be fed.

whilst i pretty much disagree with everything jamba has written about brexit, at least he's thought his opinions through and sticks to his arguements(1).
I'd be fine with the way the referendum ended up if everyone who voted leave had done that. But they didn't and now we're stuck with bellowing anuses and the "we won, shut up" claptrap

[i](1) You're wrong Jamba, but you're entitiled to that wrong opinion, even if it is wrong. Oh and you're wrong(2) 😉
(2) If in ten years(3) you're right i'll admit i was wrong.
(3) No way is this shit sorted in five years like some are banging on about(4).
(4)I may be wrong(5).
(5)I'm probably not[/i]

Hello thebees,

Clearly your not watching the news nor interested in Politics otherwise you'd know what's going on with the Remain resurgence.

Good troll attempt though.

But, really, try harder (as maybe you should have done at school)

pondo i know the theory/reality you refer to and it does in many ways explain lots of polarised strongly held views particularly with right wing religious views hard core socialist worker views and climate change ,
i hope my social media circle is slightly more diverse as it also includes things like my home towns social group , massive group of ukippers and racists, my ex school mates edited out the blatant racists but kept the ukippers (not all ukippers are out and out racist)
However i was also thinking of the press and comments sections.

you're not your. They taught me that at school, along with punctuation.

They taught me that at school, along with punctuation.

But not manners by the looks of it

Or punctuation.

I have a plan, apply for an Irish passport so i have easier options.
Then sit back and save my money so i have a safety net.

As for enacting Brexit, a ****ing stupid idea, which i will do nothing to help.

How many new hospitals have we got? What is the current immigration stats? What is the current level of racial abuse? What is your plan to deal with these Brexit promises?

' I'm fixated on keeping my family in food and shelter.'
You take the biscuit for melodramatic tosh. At least be honest with yourself and admit that day to day life goes on as before.

I already lost my job by in April thanks to Brexit - my wifes entire industry is at risk. If both of us lost our jobs - thanks to your anti-immigrant lot, we would literally be half a world away from each other, she would be sent home.

Screw you and your "it'll be okay" optimism. Toying with other peoples lives, and if you think America has social strife, you should see my wifes country. She and I are used to it, what is important for both of us is economic stability and earnings so that we can help her cousins escape poverty.

As the descendant of a Hungarian Jew who fled Hungary in the interwar years, because he married a gypsy (like marrying a black girl in the 19th century deep south), and Spanish, Icelandic and Roma individuals - who all fought for Britain during the war - I hold no loyalty to my country anymore - just individuals. The United Kingdom has repeatedly treated those who contribute to the greatness of their country like shit (eg the Poles).

Unlike some lazy Sunderland Brexiters who can't even be bothered to move out of their own county, we aren't going to complain that much - instead we are going to get up off our arses and move to a new country to gain the economic stability that we seek.

Yet you'd be happy to move to a country which treats it's indigenous people like...

Extremely hypocritical. You talk about how people have been treated, yet you're happy to adopt a 'we're alright jack' mentality yourself. 🙄

I am now 🙂 I voted labour the last two elections. Never again.

You lot hastened my slow inexorable descent into rabid libertarianism.

thanks to your anti-immigrant lot, we would literally be half a world away from each other, she would be sent home.

Or she could just go to France? Or are you saying that the whole of the EU has rules that would prevent your wife staying without a job? In which case why pick on the UK?

Shes not an EU citizen.

But yes, in France if you marry a foreigner you don't have to prove how much you are earning.

I have everything to lose and nothing to gain, so yes - we have an exit plan. It's common bloody sense.

I have worked and run business since 1979 I think in those 36 years I was on the end of a recession for at least 18 years, so the final 10 years of my working life (I am lucky as I have good pensions due to hard work and doing without) will also be in recession - so I in total I have spent 60% of my working life in the shit yet still managed to progress? Like many others in my position I am sick of it.

Yet you'd be happy to move to a country which treats it's indigenous people like...
Extremely hypocritical. You talk about how people have been treated, yet you're happy to adopt a 'we're alright jack' mentality yourself.

I know this was aimed at tom but, yes. Sadly the UK that I thought I knew has shown itself to be a shallower less caring place, the people have spoken and I don't like what they say. I see no real reason to support the ignorant 'majority' who have shot themselves in the foot as in doing so they have impacted on my families outlook too. Will I leave, probably not immediately, but my ties are significantly weakened. Matthew Paris summed it up in this quote.

Over the last few months a poison has been seeping through our national life. My faith in my fellow English, in democracy and in those who serve it in high places led me to wholly underestimate it's potency and its capacity to spread.

"You just don't get it do you?" Brexiteers have crowed to me "You're out of touch." They're right, I was. I did not know my own country, I do now. And I like it a little bit less.

But yes, in France if you marry a foreigner you don't have to prove how much you are earning.

So you can't go to France, and her stay in France with you, because you're not a French National?

Underestimating the SME community in the UK is a very dangerous thing, they are the ones that create jobs and pay the tax. On the whole they are not happy at the moment

Are you on drugs? She's not a French national, nor am I. Why would we move to France - to a country where we don't speak the language that has worse biotech prospects than either the United Kingdom or the US and is more likely to vote in Marine Le Pen (an actual fascist) than the Americans are Trump?

The US is a safe bet for both of our careers.

Underestimating the SME community in the UK is a very dangerous thing, they are the ones that create jobs and pay the tax. On the whole they are not happy at the moment

Oddly, according to the ACT more than 60% of LBS owners voted Leave. But I've always said that the bike industry is quite right-wing.

you're not your. They taught me that at school, along with punctuation.

They seem to have neglected to teach you that sentences should start with a capital letter.

LBS is not typical SME I was thinking more like the 5 to 50 employee range - I have not talked to anyone in this space who is happy with the vote

This is going to become akin to the Spanish Civil War isn't it?

I have Spanish friends who still don't talk to parts of their family because of who's side they were on during that hilarious war.

She's not a French national, nor am I. Why would we move to France

I know she's non-EU, you're EU.

I suggested France because you said that if she lost her job you'd be a world apart. I figured France would be closer.

Not for long am I?

To be fair, I'd rather move to a third world country run by a psychotic dictator who's death squads murder drug addicts for the lolz, than France. Maybe Germany. They're civilised.

Two people told me this week that they voted for Brexit "as a protest" but never thought it would actually happen. Idiots.

My MiL said almost the exact same thing.

There once was a chap called thebees
who thought it would be a tease
to piss off the Trax
and get up their backs
so it's in his shoes we do wees.

You've won shit in a sock. Go on, put your hand in; feel your victory.

Worth repeating.

So c'mon then what is the plan? At least we got a tune out of Nero.

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his job is based on EU funding (he's a microbiolgy researcher with a PHD! FFS he should have engaged brain).

well his current grant is and that won't change as he's already been given the cash. more than likely his next job won't be as only about 15% of science grants are from the EU IIRC.

Sure, 15 percent come from the EU. But a lot of grants from companies are based on the fact that we can easily collaborate with European universities....

And all you have to do is click your heels three times and grant funding from China, India, Iceland, Peru etc will fall out of the sky.

my PhD supervisors biggest grant was (welcome trust) in collaboration with a group in Argintinia, the idea that collaborations are easier to get within the EU nonsense. The science has to be good enough to get funded in the first place and within the remit of the funding body. EU grants are also very specific and you have to account for all the cash you spend.

EU grants are also very specific [b]and you have to account for all the cash you spend.[/b]

EU grants are also very specific and you have to account for all the cash you spend.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It is when done to the degree they require. It is akin to having to declare (and justify) how many paperclips you bought and how long it took you to buy them rather than just going to get some stationary as part of your working day.

EU H2020 grants are great for funding the kinds of cutting edge, curiosity led fundamental science that UK gov won't fund though (who want defined real world outputs to feed directly into industry. Sometimes it feels like they want us to be the R&D dept for biotech in the UK).

Boris: 'vote does not mean leaving Europe in any sense'.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-vote-does-not-mean-leaving-europe-in-any-sense-eu-referendum-reshuffle-a7137056.html

Not sure whether I am crying or laughing myself to sleep.

A deeply anti-intellectual country doesn't like blue sky research anymore and simply values the monetary value of research?

What a surprise!

Meanwhile, in the Brexit camp...

Appropriate that someone in the clip has that particular moustache.

You say that like it's a bad thing

cause you can use it the way academics normally use their money

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i have not gone quiet i have simply shifted my focus onto tactical/strategic decisions to protect my family, business and personal life from the decision made by certain elements of society - i am taking the me first **** you approach so the following will happen in my life -
1. Will not be employing a new bod in the business in October
2. Will not be buying new hardware/kit for the business this year
3. Will not be investing in training for the business
4. Will not be selling my house
5. Will not be paying building trade tens of thousands to renovate new property
6. Will be taking above mentioned cash to allow my kids to buy property in a depressed market
7. Will sit on my pension funds and not spend it
8. Will not be buying any shiny things for some considerable time
9. Will be cutting overheads on home business
10. Will be cutting our day rates to clients to retain relationships
Will be sitting back to see what the hell happens, this is not revenge this is protectionism
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So in some sense of two finger to them you torpedo your own business...bet you will blame someone else when that fails , hopefully someone will set up a competing firm and earn a living from your self entitled sob story.

So in some sense of two finger to them you torpedo your own business...bet you will blame someone else when that fails , hopefully someone will set up a competing firm and earn a living from your self entitled sob story.

So someone describes effectively battening down the hatches and exercising a little caution in the face of a uncertain national economic climate - pretty much exactly what a significant number of large corporations are planning to do - and you wish him financial ruin. What a lovely person you must be. May I wish you a little reciprocal karma you bellend.

"1. Will not be employing a new bod in the business in October"

The UK is so short staffed we have to import a net 300,000 workers a year just to fill the demand.

Employing one less will reduce that requirement to net 299,999.

And this is to punish Brexiters?

Have you thought this through?