[Closed] Seriously, when is this **** going to end?

Can it end, there will always be **** ups.
Also at least post something more than a link

Shortly after a large asteroid hits earth. Hope this helps.

I'm afraid I don't have the words to describe how I feel about it.

A Jihadi beheading of a toddler? What exactly do you want me to say?

Humans hurting humans will never end, doing it in the name of others or legends, thats not going to end either.

Humans suck, they blame each other for the ills of the world, and generally the last person we look at to improve the world is the one staring back in the mirror.

Humans are a destructive selfish species by default, we wouldn't be where we are in the food chain if we weren't. As a result this sense of entitlement will be abused - it sucks, but it's not going to change anytime soon.

Edit: The above does not take away from the outrage I have at taking another life, let alone a toddler who has no idea of ideology let alone tries to fight against it. What I typed above does not justify what appears to have happened

It won't end. People will always be insane.

That ^^ is not symptomatic of any kind of deficit in humanity though - she's clearly broken in the head.

A Jihadi beheading of a toddler? What exactly do you want me to say?

All I got from reading it was that a seriously mentally ill person did something that unfortunately, seriously mentally ill people do from time to time.

But people don't want to read that. They want to feed this narrative about a clash of civilisations, or whatever. As we don't like acknowledging mental illness, as then we might have to address the problem

It's the collective insanity of extremists that worries me. It appears there is no level they won't stoop to just to get their message across.

Oh crap. I agree with binners.

Wait, hang on. Did a brown person do this? A muslamic?

It's the collective insanity of extremists

An extremist not thinking like most people? Hold the phone, this is news.

I also agree with binners, but I'm more comfortable with that than flashy. Doubtless the media will portray this as an Islamic thing though.

Let's be honest this stuff has been going on since any of our ancestors could pick up something and beat others to death. We actually live in far safer times yet because of 24 hour media is just that we know about these things when they happen.
This doesn't reduce the fact that a poor little girl has been killed but people need to grasp the real level of risk in the world.

Binners has it on this one

This is horrific, one of those things you read and go empty inside.
As above it will be portrayed as an islamic thing, but really it is a mental health issue (as is most forms of extremism in my view, islamic or christian)

yup agree with binners......

I'm feeling very uncomfortable about all this agreement thing. Is it to late to withdraw my comment and replace it with a diatribe on the inhumanity of muslamics?

I also agree with, Binners. Greggs is better than M&S.

...also about the OP's link.

Given how the mainstream western religions have treated people be glad nobody burnt them at the stake.

If she said that some other god or her bedside lamp told her to do it, that would just be one of those things but if she says it was allah then she's a jihadist and part of some bigger scheme. Jesus told Vanessa Soliz to drown her baby, the Archangel Michael told Levi Staver to kill his grandma, Robert Dear was doing "God's Work" murdered 3 in Colorado Springs, but they're not all lumped into an evil christian army...

It's an incredibly awful thing as it is, no reason to imagine it's worse

aside from chojin's blatant ignorance and xenophobia, have we not considered the idea that it might just have been a really annoying kid?

Seriously, when is this **** going to end?

What, mental illness and infant murder?
What's your suggestion OP?

i might agree with binners, but i dont know how that makes me feel
i likely agree with yunki too.

*late stage manflu, all views temporary*

have we not considered the idea that it might just have been a really annoying kid?

A very valid point

Nor religion?
Bugger - I was going to use the "my god's got a hammer and yours was nailed to a cross" line....
Well either that or "Odin promised an end to Ice Giants - you don't see any of those do you" 😆

yunki - Member

aside from chojin's blatant ignorance and xenophobia, have we not considered the idea that it might just have been a really annoying kid?

Ok, i'll bite.

Can you tell me exactly which part of my comment was Xenophobic? I don't remember saying or indeed feeling anything of the kind.
And how sick do you have to be to make fun of the 3 year old that lost his life due to a nut job?

For the record, I 99% agree with Binners too. It would appear that according to you Yunki, I'm not allowed to be utterly disgusted by such an act? Tell me, should I just dismiss the beheading of a toddler as trivial like you do?

Maybe I should, at least that way I might gain favour with the forum regulars.

Yunki is just being edgy. I wouldn't take it too seriously.

You did ask a pointless rhetorical question

Presumably in the hope that this thread would turn into a hate fuelled circlejerk

Or did you just come here looking for an argument?

kimbers - Member

You did ask a pointless rhetorical question

Presumably in the hope that this thread would turn into a hate fuelled circlejerk

Or did you just come here looking for an argument?

Hello forum regular, presumably looking for kudos by trying to join in with the masses.

My original post was to vent at the injustice of the murder of a toddler.

Obviously this kind of empathy doesn't fly around these parts. Note to self: To become a big hitter, I must become a heartless twunt.

Edit especially for kimbers:

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My original post was to vent at the injustice of the murder of a toddler.

Yeah then you started going on about extremists trying to get their message across

But in my search for forum kudos I obviously did miss the point

ok then chojin..

Firstly, I'll make sick jokes about whatever I want.. If you had toddlers yourself you would understand this 🙂

I'm not being edgy..

you are being xenophobic to equate this with Islam
you are ignorant because you are unaware of that fact..

It really is that simple.. The woman that committed this crime is very mentally ill.. that's all

Video is on Liveleak (not that you want to watch it) and news reports stating that apparently she has found out her husband had cheated on her. After burning down the house she had the head in a bag but was stopped by the tube station and asked for papers. Only then did she pull the head out and start preaching.

Obviously mentally ill and hiding behind religion in her own mind to justify what she has done.

monde

Video is on Liveleak (not that you want to watch it) and news reports stating that apparently she has found out her husband had cheated on her. After burning down the house she had the head in a bag but was stopped by the tube station and asked for papers. Only then did she pull the head out and start preaching.

Obviously mentally ill and hiding behind religion in her own mind to justify what she has done.

Is she hot? Going the hot/crazy scale she must be a 10.

Obviously mentally ill and hiding behind religion in her own mind to justify what she has done.

I wonder if the religion at that point was an attempt at suicide by cop.

"When is this going to end" also has religious connotations about it - the idea of the fall from grace, that the world is getting worse and worse until the apocalypse.

Whereas even the briefest study of history will tell you that pretty much the opposite has happened.

It's a horrific, unthinkable thing to happen, but it's also very, very rare.

yunki - Member

ok then chojin..

Firstly, I'll make sick jokes about whatever I want.. If you had toddlers yourself you would understand this

I'm not being edgy..

you are being xenophobic to equate this with Islam
you are ignorant because you are unaware of that fact..

The woman that committed this crime is very mentally ill.. that's all

I'm afraid you misunderstand Yunki. Quite massively so - Maybe you were reading the idiotic comments below the OP and jumped on the idiot bandwagon, but at no point did I relate this to Islam. So please read what I said again and tell me exactly where I equated it to Islam and let me know.

I think you'll find there were some massive assumptions made on your part.

yunki - Member

ok then chojin..

Firstly, I'll make sick jokes about whatever I want.. If you had toddlers yourself you would understand this

I'm not being edgy..

you are being xenophobic to equate this with Islam
you are ignorant because you are unaware of that fact..

It really is that simple.. The woman that committed this crime is very mentally ill.. that's all

I read that article this morning, the only facts presented then were:

[list][*]The woman was wearing Islamic garb[/*]
[*]shouted "allahu akhbar" & "I am your death"[/*]
[*]she was carrying a toddler's decapitated head. [/*][/list]

Not exactly dissimilar to what we've seen in other Islamist incidents is it? So assuming it's another case of a muslamic raygun acting like a complete dick is not exactly unreasonable. It might be wrong, but was not unreasonable.

There's really no need to be acting like a big swinging ballbag calling out somebody as xenophobic or ignorant over it anyway IMHO.

So please read what I said again and tell me exactly where I equated it to Islam and let me know.

A Jihadi beheading of a toddler? What exactly do you want me to say?

the collective insanity of extremists that worries me. It appears there is no level they won't stoop to just to get their message across.

are you ok?
maybe you should talk to a grown up?

I'm agreeing with binners [i]and[/i] yunki - I may need to get the GP to increase my medication.

This sounds like the actions of a mentally unstable person. If - and it's only an if - she felt that she was doing this for religious reasons, then I would suggest that her illness has been exploited by others.

Be grateful we aren't living in the UK 300-400 years ago, we might have been busy burning each other at the stake for our conflicting views on wheel sizes.

I'm also very distrustful of any stories coming from any official or unofficial Russian sources as to what she said, did or believed. They have their own agenda in that part of the world.

Just to even the teams up, I'll agree with the OP.

Oh crap. I agree with binners.

😆

Yunki - So are you telling me you believe Jihadi views are indeed integral to Islam? Because I certainly don't. Don't be an all assuming idiot.

Now hopefully I've cleared up my stance - I'll wait for you to tell me once again where I mentioned Islam.

Jihadi Extremism (note for the benefit of Yunki, *not* Islam) seems to know no bounds when it comes to trying to get across its message. My post was in disgust of this new apparent low.

I'm also very distrustful of any stories coming from any official or unofficial Russian sources as to what she said, did or believed. They have their own agenda in that part of the world.

A good point, i'll accept that. But then again you could argue whether the BBC can be trusted, or indeed any news source.

ok I get it... you think a woman cutting off a kids head because her husband left her is religious..

You're backpedalling, wriggling.. jeez, I'm not getting into pedantry but I have judged you

you're an idiot! 😆

Yunki - So are you telling me you believe Jihadi views are indeed integral to Islam? Because I certainly don't. Don't be an all assuming idiot.

Now hopefully I've cleared up my stance - I'll wait for you to tell me once again where I mentioned Islam.

Jihadi Extremism (note for the benefit of Yunki, *not* Islam) seems to know no bounds when it comes to trying to get across its message. My post was in disgust of this new apparent low.

Did you actually manage to convince yourself with that bullshit? I can assure you no one else is buying that.

Have you read anything in this thread?

As was previously stated on this very page in fact.

"I read that article this morning, the only facts presented then were:

?The woman was wearing Islamic garb
?shouted "allahu akhbar" & "I am your death"
?she was carrying a toddler's decapitated head."

As Retro83 rightly points out, is it unreasonable to come to this conclusion?

I'm not getting into pedantry

Well there's an admission of misunderstanding if ever I saw one. It's ok to apologise when you've got something wrong you know.

Look come here and give me a hug, k?

no thanks

Did you actually manage to convince yourself with that bullshit? I can assure you no one else is buying that.

uh.... so are you telling me that all of a sudden now I *do* think Jihadi is integral to Islam? Thanks for telling me how and what to think! I'll make sure to change my political stance on facebook.

Once again, Mr MSP - A complete lack of understanding of my point.

ok..

your point was that you've had enough of this sort of thig and that this was the work of a religious extremist, that religion being Islam..

It wasn't, it was the work of a mentally ill person..

I get that you're separating Islam from extremism which is a good thing, well done for that..
but your post was definitely in the spirit of perpetuating, and inciting religious hatred..

The fact that you don't understand that is really here nor there

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yunki - Member

no thanks

Jeeeeze.

People, once again for those who are hard of learning (MSP, Yunki et al), I am disgusted at the beheading of a toddler. This was my main point this morning when I read the news.
My secondary point was to be disgusted at a Jihadi type attack.

Both valid things to be disgusted at, right?

Well according to a few on STW, no. Next time something else like this happens, I am to feel nothing, be completely emotionless and react with no more than a cursory tut.

Maybe you should prove how good you are at leaning by looking up "jihad" and realising that your denials of what you have written and is there for all to see is just idiotic.

[quote=chojin ]My secondary point was to be disgusted at a Jihadi type attack.
Both valid things to be disgusted at, right?

If it was - for which we have no evidence yet. In the absence of evidence being disgusted all over the internet about it isn't cool. And when challenged on this you tried to backtrack:

[quote=chojin ]at no point did I relate this to Islam

Here's some help:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihadism

The problem western media has now is that everything attributed to Muslims through violence has a jihadi connotation added to it. This then gets people frothing at the mouths!!

You only have to look at cases in the States of abominable murder committed under the name of christianity i.e. Andrea Yates who drowned her five children stating that Satan had made them disobedient or the guy who shot up a kindergarden stating he didnt like gays and liberals because they were against Amercian republican christian values!
Both were cited as mentally Ill.

Islam may be many things but the harming of children goes against the grain of even the most zealous Jihadi as the family unit and children are the most important things in their lives.

Off with that woman's head!

Or undergo Russian "re-education" then off with her head.

Should apply to all regardless ...

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monde - Member
Islam may be many things but the harming of children goes against the grain of even the most zealous Jihadi as the family unit and children are the most important things in their lives.

wat

[url= https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=isis+murdering+children ]https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=isis+murdering+children[/url]
[url= https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=boko+haram+murdering+children ]https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=boko+haram+murdering+children[/url]

or do you mean 'harming of [i]their own[/i] children' ??

[url= https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=islam+honour+killing ]https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=islam+honour+killing[/url]

Before I am accused of being a racialist, xenomorph or Tory, I'm not. HTH.

retro83

wat

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=isis+murdering+children
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=boko+haram+murdering+children

or do you mean 'harming of their own children' ??

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=islam+honour+killing

Before I am accused of being a racialist, xenomorph or Tory, I'm not. HTH.

So this was an Isis attack is what you're saying?