Oh 🙁
Bugger.
It's surprising* how many cars have their air in takes down low in the engine bay.
*and not in a good way.
Now there’s no chance I’d drive through more than a few cm of water too many ways to cause damage, electrical, undertray, engine, etc.
*holds hand up sheepishly*
Another one guilty of hydrolocking an engine driving through water. It was in the floods a few years ago. Its easily done and doesn't take much. I did it with my Golf GTI. Water really doesn't compress. It snapped a camshaft clean in half and completely trashed the engine.
Just as an aside , animals are not allowed in recovery vehicles, we didn’t know this. So Mrs FD is now going to have to drive back in our other car to pick us up later.
You'll be in trouble when she finds out you've been calling her an animal... 🙃
Bad luck on the wannabe submarine. Painful in the extreme. 😕
Every time we speak to the AA they ask if we are in danger . So far we have been saying no, but thinking of changing that as it’s a 6 mile walk to the nearest road and prob 10 to a village. Last night we had 70mph winds and it was snowing
I may be missing something here, but 1) where were you if it's 6miles to the nearest road 2) did you spend the night in the car? 🙂
Is that damage covered by insurance?
Ouch. sounds fubar. My usual bad guessing 🙁
Doesn't sound good, keeping crossed fingers though; the exhaust would fill when the engine stopped
Is that damage covered by insurance?
it normally is - considered similar to crashing into something, ie crashed into water
it normally is – considered similar to crashing into something, ie crashed into water
When I did mine, I never asked, which was a bit daft.
I had a local indi garage rebuild the engine and it wasn't that expensive (compared to the cost of a new car etc).
H G Evans in Old Harlow. No idea if they still exist...
I wrote off a ford engine in a puddle, wasn't even a particularly impressive one, the ford or the puddle.
my embarrassingly old and crap peugeot has a big hole in the air intake tube (pipe?) at its lowest point where I drilled it hoping that any water that managed to get in would pour out there in the instance I did something like this. I have no proof that it has ever saved me although I have survived a few big puddles (once or twice stupidly acting like an idiot, still trying to impress my wife, acting like a teenager, full of fake bravado while secretly thinking 'oh shit oh shit' what if i have borked the engine?').
Tom as that pipe is a vacuum you'd just turn it into a straw...
And Or even worse bypass the filter
Tell me that all those morons who were deliberately driving at speed into that ford in the video on the first page of this thread.....despite abandoned cars littering the road, despite spectators obviously waiting in the expectation that they would break something.....tell me they were not claiming on their insurance afterwards?
I may be missing something here, but 1) where were you if it’s 6miles to the nearest road 2) did you spend the night in the car? 🙂
yeah, this…? Well point 2 especially. Given you have breakdown cover, even if the cars too difficult to move I’d expect you to be taken home/a place of your choosing for the night!?
Unless you were more of the, “well, seems a nice place for a walk in the morning and we’ve got some sandwiches” persuasion in which case fair enough.
.tell me they were not claiming on their insurance afterwards?
I assume they were.
Same as the person who crashes due to too much speed, overtaking in a bad place, being on a mobile phone, badly maintained car etc.
I would be interested in the number of claims turned down under the 'driver broke rule no.1'
Ha! Oh dear, that's thrown me, I've seen it described as a recommended mod on the peugeot forum
I may be missing something here, but 1) where were you if it’s 6miles to the nearest road 2) did you spend the night in the car? 🙂
Ok I have just check the distances and it was 2.5 miles from the nearest tarmac road but it feels considerably further. I had to jog back the holiday cottage that was 1.5 miles away to get satellite signal to get the cottage owner to come and drag the car out of the ford with his 4x4. The cottage owner was absolutely brilliant and then lent me his 4x4
The AA assigned the job to a local Aberystwyth company as they didn't have any AA teams 'available'. After hearing nothing at first we rang the company up. You could just tell he couldn't be bothered. He said he would come later that day. We rang him again later and a more important job had come up. Eventually the next morning he came out and stuck an external battery pack on the car and couldn't start it and said it needed full garage diagnostic except it couldnt take the vehicle as his lorry was in for an MOT.
Back to the AA and they said they would re assign the job to someone else, except they kept re assigning it to the same company who kept rejecting it.
Mrs FD then remembered she had Green Flag cover too. So she rang them. They obviously had a slightly different database. And a brilliant company call Grahams from Aberystwyth came out within 1hr and recovered Mrs FD and the vehicle back to our home address.
The car is now sat on our driver waiting recovery by our insurance company to take it to their diagnostic garage.
Interesting Notes on Vehicle Recovery
Mrs FD whilst chatting to the recovery driver gleamed the following. Each driver can only drive a max of 2.5hrs at a time. So to get from Aberystwyth to where we were, to then get the car home and back to Aberystwyth would be more than 2.5hrs. Normally if its a very long journey multiple companies may be used and swap the car over to allow drivers to get back home etc. The driver said they would have to stop for 45mins on the way back to Aber which meant that it would possibly be there only job that day.
Handy to know if you ever need recovery !
This is the valley of doom. looks very pleasant there, but its 1,500ft up, on the day it happened it was blowing 70mph winds and had been snowing over night.
Interesting Notes on Vehicle Recovery
Mrs FD whilst chatting to the recovery driver gleamed the following. Each driver can only drive a max of 2.5hrs at a time.
That must be new? I've been recovered a few times from mid-Wales back to Cambridge (motorbike and car) and they just drove it in one go (Green Flag).
Handy to know if you ever need recovery !
Had to recover my Elise from Blyton in Lincolnshire to Southampton a few years back. That was a relay of three different trucks, a 45 minute break for the first driver and a 30 min wait in a random service station car park at around midnight for the next truck.
The old AA recovery service was called AA Relay. I used it in the 90s Sheffield to Bath. Local patrol towed the car to a depot, car was loaded onto a transporter with other cars and driven south to another depot, rinse and repeat until I got home. Seemed to take forever.
About 10 years ago I was out running and spotted a fire engine on a stretch of road renowned for flooding (site of a local mill). Pootled over and saw a new Aston Martin DB9 up to its armpits in water. The owner was most unimpressed, but the fire peeps were having a chuckle. Can only imagine he was not a local because that road always flooded, and nothing was done to improve it for years, even after a developer popped a row of houses alongside it.
Not sure it's that mad, it's unlikely to syphon water through the hole unless the main air intake is restricted. If restricted by a bow wave of water, it's likely that the bottom of the engine bay could still be above the water.
However it may allow water to drain into the air intake if you are driving slowly through particularly deep water, and once it airlocks the intake it could be syphoned into the engine.
Back in the day my dad was driving back over a partially flooded fen near Littleport , got the engine in the Cortina wet and we thus stopped.
Waited 20 minutes to dry, and off we went again.
My brothers had an old Landy and we took it for a 4x4 adventure day – it didn't have a snorkel and we waded it too deep and hydraulicked the diesel engine. We took the glow plugs out and turned it over to spit out the water and somehow managed to restart it and get it a few miles down the road from the private land it had been on before it fatally packed in (this was fortunate as the recovery company wouldn't come out to private land). We ended up swapping the dead engine out for a Rover V8 block 🤣
How is the car?
my embarrassingly old and crap peugeot has a big hole in the air intake tube (pipe?) at its lowest point where I drilled it hoping that any water that managed to get in would pour out there in the instance I did something like this
I’m so lost. Is this hole lower than the intake? Which side of the air filter is this hole?
Llechwedd Maur ! Never had any trouble in the ford with my Welsh Water Marina van.
The old AA recovery service was called AA Relay. I used it in the 90s Sheffield to Bath. Local patrol towed the car to a depot, car was loaded onto a transporter with other cars and driven south to another depot, rinse and repeat until I got home. Seemed to take forever.
I remember getting 'relayed' from London to Merseyside back when the M25 was still under construction so traffic was congested anyway but most of the trip involved being loaded off, waiting and back onto recovery trucks in different locations with some lengthy gaps in between waiting for a vehicle to become available for the next leg. Took 14 hours.
How is the car?
Probably not pining for the f(j)ords…
How is the car?
Screwed
The engineer gave me a call the other day. His recommendation is total loss or repair bill of approx £20k 🙁
Apparently water had got every where and it would require pretty much everything new ie engine, starter motor, wiring looms, exhaust system etc etc. No water in the cabin though.
If someone can salvage it and knows what they are doing they will end up with a nice car for not much money.
Apparently though it will take 3 weeks for the engineer to get a slot with the insurance company to inform them of their findings...
Apparently though it will take 3 weeks for the engineer to get a slot with the insurance company to inform them of their findings
Whaaaaa?!!
Sorry for your loss - I suspect that the killer blow was the water in the loom as my mate is having a refurb engine put into his Velar for about £6.5k.
I feel for you mate, that's terrible! If water didn't cover the sills, it must've been the bow wave?
Mrs FD whilst chatting to the recovery driver gleamed the following. Each driver can only drive a max of 2.5hrs at a time. So to get from Aberystwyth to where we were, to then get the car home and back to Aberystwyth would be more than 2.5hrs. Normally if its a very long journey multiple companies may be used and swap the car over to allow drivers to get back home etc. The driver said they would have to stop for 45mins on the way back to Aber which meant that it would possibly be there only job that day.
Sounds like a slight misunderstanding of the tachograph rules.
You can only drive for a maximum of 4.5hours without a 45min rest, and it has to be a rest, you can't do work like loading/unloading.
If you drive for 2 hours, load for an hour, then drive for another 2.5 hours, that counts as 4.5 hours. So they probably couldn't drive to a job 2.5 hours away without a 45min break (as fixing/loading the car doesn't count as driving, but isn't a break)
You can split the breaks as long as the first one is >15min and the 2nd one is >30min and within 4.5hours total driving time.
You can only drive for 9 hours a day.
You can go over the hours if you're stuck in traffic at the end of the day (i.e. if the road is closed for an accident 15 minutes from home and you're stuck there for an hour you don't have to just stop and stay the night). You just write a note on the tachograph. That wouldn't apply if you got stuck first thing in the morning and were just running an hour late all day.
There's a few other things around max hours per week, consecutive days etc.
Sorry to hear that FunkyDunc.
I can't believe an X1 only has a wading depth of 250/300mm...
If someone can salvage it and knows what they are doing they will end up with a nice car for not much money.
normally any water damage means cat b - as in the thing has to be crushed once parts are removed. This is because of the view that internal things that you cant see may be screwed up
It's pretty crap that the X1 can't manage a foot of water but Llechwedd Maur should warn potential guests about the ford because it can get a lot deeper than that.
https://holidaycambriancoast.co.uk/llechwedd-mawr/
Screwed
The engineer gave me a call the other day. His recommendation is total loss or repair bill of approx £20k 🙁
Apparently water had got every where and it would require pretty much everything new ie engine, starter motor, wiring looms, exhaust system etc etc. No water in the cabin though.
If someone can salvage it and knows what they are doing they will end up with a nice car for not much money.
Apparently though it will take 3 weeks for the engineer to get a slot with the insurance company to inform them of their findings…
I'm no mechanic but I'd be curious how getting an exhaust wet means it needs replacing, ditto wiring. It's not like it spent 3 days in the sea, it briefly went through a ford!
Water in the cat/DPF/SCR system could easily borked it.
See if Tavarish wants to buy it 😂
Depending on the category (freshwater is mailes better than seawater or sewerage) then someone will indeed most likely rebuild it. Find a smashed up one with the same engine and just swap them over.
Apparently though it will take 3 weeks for the engineer to get a slot with the insurance company to inform them of their findings…
That's pretty normal at the moment. Took me 3 weeks to get an assessment slot after getting rear-ended on March 1st, 2 weeks for the assessment to make it's way to the insurers and I'm having to wait until June to get it fixed!
It’s pretty crap that the X1 can’t manage a foot of water but Llechwedd Maur should warn potential guests about the ford because it can get a lot deeper than that.
The owner was amazing, and to be fair he does offer you use of his 4x4 for a small fee. On the first day he did drive up with us and stop at the streams.
This was not in any way the owners responsibility etc, purely my own stupid mistake and I wouldnt want it to stop people staying there if they have suitable vehicles etc
ditto wiring.
Water in the loom could cause ongoing problems for years and replacing looms is both difficult and expensive. BIL had to have part of the loom replaced in his Range Rover after mice had a go at it - it was never right afterwards and he got rid within a couple of months.
Just googled the house - looks like an epic spot... Any decent riding from the doorstep?
Water in the loom could cause ongoing problems for years and replacing looms is both difficult and expensive. BIL had to have part of the loom replaced in his Range Rover after mice had a go at it – it was never right afterwards and he got rid within a couple of months.
Mate had similar with his Disco Sport and after much debate the insurance company wrote it off and paid up.
