Scotland Indyref 2

big_n_daft - Member
'However abstaining or supporting the govt side did not save them from what came afterwards, the deliberate destruction of our culture and language.'
Yes the The Abolition of Heritable Jurisdictions Act of 1747 was a shocking act of cultural vandalism...

Seeing as you're erudite enough to mention Yr Hen Ogledd, then you know full well what disasters befell the highlands in the wake of the '45.

By you; you are the one who comments on what the islanders feel, yet seem unable to notice the fact that whatever it is; it is making them vote SNP. You then try to divert attention away from your own mistakes by pretending that wasn't what you meant.So again, tell us all; what do they feel?
On another note, does your own personal BoD not tell you not to ignore the log in your own eye? Maybe want to think of that when commenting on ANYBODY playing the man.

Seeing as you're erudite enough to mention Yr Hen Ogledd, then you know full well what disasters befell the highlands in the wake of the '45.

You are probably still singing The Flowers of the Forest

Tell me duckie - which party represents the Orkneys and Shetland (and Fife and one of the other Tayside authorities whose name escapes me)?

You are the one making unsubstantiated comments - I know there is a trend here, so do not expect a change

it is making them vote SNP.

The member for the Orkney Isles is....? (you can fill in if you like)
"" " Shetlands....?
" " Edinburgh western....?
" " NE Fife....?
" " NE Scotland...?

A leading Scottish Liberal Democrat MSP has demanded Shetland be given the option of independence if the SNP again try to force the break-up of the UK. In a blistering attack on the government’s record, Tavish Scott said islanders should have the chance to choose “self-determination” in the face of “[b]arrogant central belt government[/b]”.

The parallels are striking to all but the most myopic. Same arguments, different scale. That's all.

If the people of the nothern islands want to get togther and go for independence, don't really see a problem with that.

Well I do, it's a proposition that only exists on here.

There is one nutter ( ironically an English incomer IIRC) who has set up an independence for shetland campaign. Hardly anyone joined in but he still gets quoted by unionists

I don't think there will be many independence supporters who would see any issue with the Northern Isles going independent themselves if there was a successful campaign and majority vote for it. Or whatever other form self determination would take. Why the possibility keeps getting raised mostly by those who have no say either way is baffling. Is it because they have the oil or something? Don't hear the same shite getting spewn about the Western Isles.

Good swerve THM, islands had the Lib majority cut to 800, I posted it for you after you talked shite the first time. A liberal seat for 60 years and cut by 9000 with a 20% swing to the SNP. Is that your best example? I wonder why that is; have you been visiting?

Shetland islanders voted 64% in favour of being part of UK with 84% turnout. Imagine if others imposed a break up of the union despite having much lower levels of support (% of vote)

Odd parallels.....except for the myopic

Km, of course wee eck was a great one for championing their interests wasn't he.

I thought for a moment THM had taken a break from sneering to pop in a divide-and-rule nugget, but no, there it was at the end, the sneer.

Hopefully it won't be long until he is knighted for his contribution to sneering and he shall then be named Sir Sneeralot.

Well I do, it's a proposition that only exists on here.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/islands/846551/msp-calls-for-real-debate-on-independence-for-shetland/

Sir Sneeralot.

Big and Daft - thats the Limp Dems in Shetland desperate to save their seats by talking any load of nonsense. there is virtually no support for and independent Shetland. IIRC more support for the idea of rejoining scandenavia

Big and Daft - thats the Limp Dems in Shetland desperate to save their seats by talking any load of nonsense.

Is that done on here what is their login?

Or is this

it's a proposition that only exists on here.

A petition currently before the Scottish Parliament is seeking referendums to be held on all three islands exactly a week after the rest of the nation votes on the future of the union with Westminster.

In the event it should get the go-ahead, the 70,000 inhabitants will be given the choice of either staying in Scotland or seeking independence of their own. A third question following a successful yes vote will offer the possibility of staying within the UK while seceding from control of Holyrood.

So far nearly 800 people have put their name to the call

Yes - and this position of independence for Shetland has almost no support in the islands. As for Carmichael - he is a lying shit and his constituents know this. He will not be elected again and only survived the court case against him on a technicality - described in court as a liar.

Tavish Scott is simply trying to protect the position of the lib dems on the Islands and he knows this proposition has no support

teamhurtmore - Member
Shetland islanders voted 64% in favour of being part of UK with 84% turnout. Imagine if others imposed a break up of the union despite having much lower levels of support (% of vote)

Odd parallels.....except for the myopic

Km, of course wee eck was a great one for championing their interests wasn't he.

give it up, you're obviously trolling here...

Some wonderful reeling from angry nats tonigt. Top quality evasion of facts. So the point about S&O wanting [b]to remain part of the UK [/b]is ignored and replaced by talk of independence. Brilliant. Perfect way to miss the point completely.

The intellectually naked nat is a wonderful sight in full flight. Twist the story, bend the facts, avoid the truth. The true birth place of posttruth politics.

Some cracking morris dancing from the flustered unionist tonight. You chose a poor example, a Liberal seat for 60 years that they only just held onto because the SNP cut their majority by 9000.Then accusing well...everyone...of being angry Nats/myopic/twisting the truth(or lying)just gets you the replies above. Removing the regular references to reeling, deep fried food, Mel Gibson wannabies etc when talking about us might also make you seem less sneering. See Aracer for example, clearly feels the same way about Scottish Indy as you but doesn't come across as a total bell-end the way he lays it out. Have you ever thought that it might actually be you,or are you always right?

Duckie, flustered!!! I will start paraphrasing/rephrasing your posts badly next in an unoriginal fashion. Then you will know I am flustered ;-).

I can handle the barbs above as they indicate the level of desperation that is required to support (sic) the level of BS that keeps getting posted. But here's the deal, start posting stuff that holds up to scrutiny and there would be no room for anyone to pick you up on it. For the guys who relish Jamba-baiting, you are remarkably thin skinned when it comes to having your own "economies with the truth" pointed out. Funny that.....you seem to stuggle to handle the truth.

(Given your S&O hypothesis you might as well claim that Wintey is a hot bed of Liberal Democracy!!)

So let's see if we can have 24 hours without iS supporters having to resort to making stuff up. Good luck.

To repeat

It's worth noting that these performances don't just the keep less-than-fully-intellectually-engaged Yes voters amused and well misinformed - they also ensure opponents spend their time and energy debunking myths instead of engaging in substantive and constructive debate; it takes a lot less time to make up nonsense than it does to robustly disprove it.

Have a lovely Sunday, I hope you manage to get and have a fun ride xxx. 😉

teamhurtmore - Member
...So the point about S&O wanting to remain part of the UK is ignored and replaced by talk of independence...

Independence is what this thread is about. The S&O is an made up issue you've chucked in as a divide and rule point. I very much doubt that they would want to split, but if they did, that's their democratic right.

teamhurtmore - Member
...here's the deal, start posting stuff that holds up to scrutiny and there would be no room for anyone to pick you up on it.

OK. Everything you have said is bollocks.

This is because no one knows what Scotland's economy will be like. There are just the forecasts of the biased haruspicators (on both sides). It is all guesswork whether it is based on careful scrutiny of goose entrails or sophisticated algorithms.

What we do know is we have a competent Scottish govt* that is well capable of handling being an independent country, and just like every country that has left the British Empire to similar forecasts of doom from the establishment, we will flourish. No doubt we will face challenges, but we can handle that, again just like all the other countries that have become independent. We're not scared of the dark.

*I'm including the opposition in that.

There has never been a movement in Shetland to remain inthe rUK if Scotland voted for independence. Nothing at all bar a b it of mischief making by the lib dems that garnered the support of 1% of the population

Its a complete nonsense to suggest the northern isles would remain in rUK and shows a complete lack of understanding of the political position

Shetland going independent or re joining Scandinavia would be more likely but still highly unlikely

A picture is worth 1,000 words they say...

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OK. Everything you have said is bollocks

Ah, informed debate epic. A good start.

What next - cartoons that inaccurately present reality? If you feel that you are too wee and or too poor (I don't FWIW) then you have indeed proved the final point though.

Time for some fresh air. Have lovely mornings!!!

Comedy gold from THM! As for starting to badly paraphrase my posts...thats ALL you do; to everyone. Or chuck out petty insults about WoS/angry Nats/racial stereotypes/being ignorant. And all because the people of Scotland deserve better! Makes me all warm inside, that you care enough to make a horses arse of yourself so often for us.

teamhurtmore - Member
'OK. Everything you have said is bollocks'
Ah, informed debate epic. A good start.

If it isn't bollocks, then you are the Nostradamus of STW.

And we aren't angry, just disgusted with the continuous disparagement of our country.

Why not report him? Or block him?

Because he knows how to stay within the rules whilst still obviously just trolling,patronising and insulting folk.
He is a one man walking ad hom snear attack with added trolling as he just likes to wind folk up and hope he gets a reaction from his barbs
TBH i am not sure why anyone bothers to do anythign other than just use his MO against him. Granted he flounces and refuses to speak to you when you do this but I am struggling to see a down side to this.

Folk have different opinions it would be better if we spoke like adults and had a actual debate rather than just tried to provoke reactions by being childish and shitty.

FWIW he will be delighted folk talked about him trolls need the attention and to know their barbs work

[quote=tjagain ]There is one nutter ( ironically an English incomer IIRC)

Bloody English incomers calling for independence 😈

Bloody English incomers calling for independence

The only people who are denegrating Scotland are those presenting flawed reasons to push Scotland in a direction that is IMO and in the opinion of the majority of Scots not in their best interests, purely to promote their own self interest.

The quality of the debate last time was a parody for rational debate which why even the closest advisers have distanced themselves from it and/or called for proper thinking around the core issues. The arguments were exposed and correctly ridiculed. To bring Scotland close to major constitutional change without understanding the basic foundations was a sign of absolute folly - only "bettered' by the Brexshiteers. You guys have no problem ridiculing their ideas (correctly so) and do not hesitate to pack hunt their supporters on here. There is a word for that....

FWIW, I love Scotland. Its a great country, with wonderful people, fine cuisine, awesome countryside and is home to the finest university in the UK! The economy is a vibrant one, albeit unbalanced and exposed. Its best interests are clearly served by being part of a wider economic union with its closest partner, with which it has a highly synchronised economy, free movement of people, capital, good and services etc and were it makes sense to have a currency union. All that has to be thrown away if you want independence - the only model is to have a separate currency - and the plans for that are non-existent/flawed. The latest folly is the idea that Scotland's interests are better served as an independent member of the EU with all that this entails - but which is obscured from the debate.

The people who care passionately about Scotland are those who stand up to the BS that is spouted on a daily basis. That is important and should always continue especially since the yS camp is so quick to suppress debate.

Ridiculous arguments (not people) attract ridicule, that is true. There is a simple solution for that....

And we aren't angry, just disgusted with the continuous disparagement of our country.

You should be angry, you deserve much better from your leadership.

You guys have no problem ridiculing their ideas (correctly so) and do not hesitate to pack hunt their supporters on here. There is a word for that....

What you keep forgetting is that you alone view and evaluate the world PURELY on economic matter and you forget that to other people things other than money matter more. Its a serious blindspot you have

I dont mind folk who accept that it will be economically worse but they want "freedom" or some other idea you wish to denigrate because it costs money

A person may be in a marriage. One where they never make the decisions and they have to do what the other persons says and the other person always decides. They will be financially worse of if they leave

you think this means they must stay for money
Its a reflection of what you value rather of the arguments presented , which are indeed often woeful , including your obne sides myopia.

FWIW, I love Scotland. Its a great country, with wonderful people,[b] fine cuisine[/b]

The people who care passionately about Scotland are those who stand up to the BS that is spouted on a daily basis.

Frankly that is untrue and you know it , we all do. Disagree but dont BS

Ridiculous arguments (not people) attract ridicule, that is true

The only people who are denegrating Scotland are those presenting flawed reasons to push Scotland in a direction that is IMO and in the opinion of the majority of Scots not in their best interests, purely to promote their own self interest.

I'm curious, in what ways could I personally benefit from Scottish independence? Because if there was money in it for me, I'd definitely be working even harder for it.

Junkyard - lazarus

What you keep forgetting is that you alone view and evaluate the world PURELY on economic matter and you forget that to other people things other than money matter more. Its a serious blindspot you have

i concur.

I'm curious, in what ways could I personally benefit from Scottish independence?

I'm curious too. Hopefully you know the answer as I believe you voted for it last time.

Joe, I wish I was able to believe that important things like education, health, well being etc did not require money and investment too. It must be a refreshing state of mind.

I wish I was able to believe that important things like education, health, well being etc did not require money and investment too. It must be a refreshing state of mind.

Other things can be important to and one can make a credible argument that social justice, which we all know you tireless champion on here , can be better served by an iS tied to Europe and free from Tory "austerity" and right wing dogma.

Again you can reject the argument but to fail to grasp it and do things like that show you are either not as bright as you think you are or not as polite as you wish other were

Which is it?

Hopefully this will help illustrate the reason that many are in favour of independence:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14831052.New_Scottish_benefits_system_will_be_shaped_by_recipients/#comments-anchor

This is something that would never happen in England and Wales. Politically it would be impossible for the Tories, Labour, or the Lib Dems to even propose such a thing as it would be political suicide with middle England. Can't be seen to be soft on scroungers, after all.

There are any number of issues where there are no mainstream parties that even come close to representing the views of the majority of Scots. The EU referendum was just the most obvious recent example.

I'm curious too. Hopefully you know the answer as I believe you voted for it last time.

Here's a radical thought - maybe I voted for independence because I thought it would be a good thing for everyone in Scotland, not me personally?

I voted yes for a chance of a progressive government - something that is unlikely in the UK

This is something that would never happen in England and Wales. Politically it would be impossible for the Tories, Labour, or the Lib Dems to even propose such a thing as it would be political suicide with middle England. Can't be seen to be soft on scroungers, after all.

No there is never consultation for changes to the benefit system, after all they are all too busy in the workhouses

I also notice it's all voluntary work by the 2000 not even minimum wage, signals the value placed on it, just more virtue signaling for the masses

iS tied to Europe and free from Tory "austerity" and right wing dogma.

Austerity / Financial Prudence is alive and well in Europe and is legally embedded in membership of the euro (hence Greeks lying about debt levels for donkey's years)

Of course being in the EU would mean iS could not pursue an agenda different form the Tories...silly me

Thanks for the clarification there, most helpful

No there is never consultation for changes to the benefit system, after all they are all too busy in the workhouses

I also notice it's all voluntary work by the 2000 not even minimum wage, signals the value placed on it, just more virtue signaling for the masses

Feel free to post a link to any similar consultations in England and Wales.

Even if it is virtue signaling, is that really such a bad thing? No party in England and Wales is trying to paint people on benefits as anything other than a drain on the system. Show me an example of politicians saying that people on benefits are equally important members of society.

I see project fear is back, they could have waited till Nicky has announced a date at least.

I see project fear is back

Where? Only from the SNP.

Everyone else will stick to the line that the matter is settled "for a generation" to do otherwise just creates another distraction whilst a Brexit deal is sorted. The SNP as usual want to be a PITA to rUK as another strand in their strategy

No party in England and Wales is trying to paint people on benefits as anything other than a drain on the system. Show me an example of politicians saying that people on benefits are equally important members of society.

As for quotes ICBA if you want to take that as confirmation of your views then fill your boots

Actually what the SNP want to do is prevent scotland suffering the disaster that is leaving the EU - and will use any and every tool in their armoury to do so in line with their democratic mandate

Feel free to post a link to any similar consultations in England and Wales.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications?departments%5B%5D=department-for-work-pensions&publication_filter_option=consultations

See, zero, none, Nada,

Actually what the SNP want to do is prevent scotland suffering the disaster that is leaving the EU - and will use any and every tool in their armoury to do so in line with their democratic mandate

Every tool seems to include silencing critical journalists, they seem to be using some of Putin's tools

Really? Do you read the scottish press?

Everyone else will stick to the line that the matter is settled "for a generation"

The SNP as usual want to be a PITA to rUK as another strand in their strategy

They may be able to persuade enough of their brethren that an iS in the EU is a better bet than one out and tied to the rUK

Either way its a legitimate debating point

Many would argue the EU vote is not done and i would not be surprised to see another vote on the deal we get

Perhaps that will be what parliament does to be sovereign ? Demand another legally binding vite on the outcome?

They may be able to persuade enough of their brethren that an iS in the EU is a better bet than one out and tied to the rUK

What is your evidence? Genuine Q to be clear no agenda/implication.

The UK is leaving iS can take over its membership my understanding but happy to see what the latest information is

I would also imagine the EU would love to make the UK pay the price of braking bth unions to leave so I imagine they may be somewhat keen to have this nuclear option on the table

Take up seems to have died off

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/132687

The map is interesting viewing

The latest twitter outrage on the BBC image of a SNP politician sayes it all

Add Stv in as well http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14692107.Journalist__gagged__by_broadcaster_after_pressure_from_SNP/

The UK is leaving iS can take over its membership my understanding but happy to see what the latest information is

Do you have legal advice on that

All the noise from the EU is scotland would be welcomed with open arms. Even Spain has dropped its objection as it would set no precedent for Catalonia.

We do not have a definitive answer as the power to ask is reserved for westminster and funnily they won't ask.

I bet they manage to quote him accurately and its th eone opinion 0 and he clearly stated it was just his opinion, where the anti SNP mob maintain AS as an authority on all things

http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2013/11/9348/downloads#res439021

[i]557. If Scotland votes No, will there be another referendum on independence at a later date?
The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence.
It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. This means that only a majority vote for Yes in 2014 would give certainty that Scotland will be independent.[/i]

😳

Yup BnD, Scotland leaves and Isis lone wolves will kill you all.

In all fairness a decision to leave the EU is a bit of a game changer, but Zulu11 knows that.

As for quotes ICBA if you want to take that as confirmation of your views then fill your boots

Is that a sniffy way of saying you agree with me?

BnD - it is important to follow the advice to read the Scottish press. Lets start with today's Scotsman and a main story highlighting the fact that the SNP has failed to introduce a single piece of legislation since winning the election and the fact Audit Scotland delivered another damning report revealing only 1/8 performance targets being met. With income inequality also rising in Scotland last year, you would think that the SNP would be prioritising getting things done. instead they are blowing up the Brexit smokescreen - good old diversionary targets.

You would think that those who claim to be working in the interest of the people - especially the non economic ones 😉 - would know where to focus their time and effort. Instead we get.......

In all fairness a decision to leave the EU is a bit of a game changer,

How is it a game changer?

[i]In these circumstances, people in Scotland would almost certainly vote to stay in the EU - but the result for the UK as a whole is much more doubtful. A Yougov poll last week found that in Scotland, voters support staying in the EU by 2 to 1; elsewhere in the UK, there is almost a 50-50 split. And so because Scotland makes up just over 8% of the UK population, it is conceivable that unless we choose to change our circumstances this September, we could be dragged out of the European Union against our will. Therefore the real risk to Scotland’s place in the EU is not the independence referendum in September. It’s the in-out referendum of 2017. That decision on Europe isn’t the primary reason for seeking independence – the main reason for seeking independence is a desire to gain the powers any normal nation has; the powers we need to build a fairer and more prosperous country.[/i]

28th April 2014 Salmond speech in Bruges, transcript here:

COLEUROPE.EU "https://www.coleurope.eu/system/files_force/speech-files/first_minister_speech_-_20140428_-_bruges_speech_final.pdf?download=1"

So [b]what's changed[/b] since then? The 'game' as you put it seems to be entirely unchanged. The prediction made by the first minister came true, yet despite having predicted this, his line, the published line of the Scottish Government, remained that it was a once in a generation vote.

(Ps. Don't you just hate it when actual documentary evidence undermines the SNP revisionist rhetoric 😆 )

NInfan - how disingenuous of you. Of course it has changed and changed hugely

We were told the only way to stay in the EU was to stay in the UK

You equate Salmonds opinion with SNP policy

good old diversionary targets.

So [b]panem et circenses[/b] then?

All the noise from the EU is scotland would be welcomed with open arms. Even Spain has dropped its objection as it would set no precedent for Catalonia.

What noise from what governments on official meetings

Unless official is an unminuted meeting with a junior minister in a nice restaurant

Bread and circuses indeed and linking spuriously from this, I see that the price of shortbread is going to rise because of Brexit. Phew, having read the press I can get the Xmas order in early.

And more from The (very biased) Scotsman

Before Scoland approaches any second referendum, though we need a period of steady, consistent thinking about exactly how such a move could be economically sustainable

Unlike the last time.....hey, this Scottish press stuff is great isn't it?

NInfan - how disingenuous of you. Of course it has changed and changed hugely

We were told the only way to stay in the EU was to stay in the UK

By who? The First minister, in an official speech as first minister, said that a remain vote risked Scotland being dragged out of the EU, it was as far from 'expressing a personal opinion' as you can get.

You equate Salmonds opinion with SNP policy

The official position of the Scottish Government was that it was a once in a generation vote, this was not Salmond 'opinion' it was stated publically by both him and Sturgeon and published as official government policy in 'Scotlands Future' - again, as far from 'expressing a personal opinion' as you can get.

Big and daft - have a google - its all out there. Senior EU officials, foreign ministers etc. We can't have an official answer until westminster asks

Do you have legal advice on that

Deary me is that the best you can do ?

is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. This means that only a majority vote for Yes in 2014 would give certainty that Scotland will be independent.

How is it a game changer?

Their is a time and place for "devils advocate" but this is poor. Its a massive change, we ALL know it even you.

Don't you just hate it when actual documentary evidence undermines the SNP revisionist rhetoric

It's a game changer

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2016/10/29/scottish-independence-and-the-polls-why-brexit-is-not-a-game-changer/

Or not

Can you imagine what sample must have been chosen to get a conclusion that 54% would rather live in a Scotland that was part of the U.K. that was not part of the single market versus 46% who would rather live in a Scotland that was a member of the single market but was not part of the U.K.

What is wrong with these people? Do they not read WoS?

It is hard to disagree with the conclusion in The Herald by BMG research Director Dr Michael Turner that when it comes to independence, Brexit “is not a game changer”. Support for remaining in the EU does not translate directly into supporting independence to achieve that goal. Nor has the Brexit referendum had a dramatic effect on party support in Scotland (see table).

How very inconvenient.

How is it a game changer?

I can only talk from personal opinion.

I voted to stay in UK as a) I didn't want to leave Europe and b) I didn't like the way the SNP sucked up to Trump.

Now we are 'out of Europe' and England appears to have lurched to the right I have no wish to remain as part of UK. I do not want to be associated with it in its current political guise. I'm prepared to vote independence as a result, I'd rather we beat ourselves with our own rod than the English (jack)boot. Plus, I haven't that much to lose, so **** it.

And even Wee Eck seems to have wised up to 'the Donald'...

So, a game changer for me.

I can only talk from personal opinion.

I voted to stay in UK as a) I didn't want to leave Europe and b) I didn't like the way the SNP sucked up to Trump.

But, [b]you were warned this might happen[/b] before voting and chose to risk it... it's not a game changer, it's buyers regret.

It's no more a 'game changer' than people discovering that voting for Brexit actually means the UK leaving the EU.

, I'd rather we beat ourselves with our own rod than the English (jack)boot. Plus, I haven't that much to lose, so **** it.

I wondered how long before we could call Godwin's law

tjagain - Member

We were told the only way to stay in the EU was to stay in the UK

This was true.
An independent Scotland would be treated as a brand new nation, would cease to be a member of the EU, and would have to apply to join the EU same as any other country that isn't in the EU.

It's all in the articles. I linked to them in the first volume if you fancy a look. 🙂

it's buyers regret.

No, its really not. You don't know what I think. It's gone from why would we throw all that away to now they've thrown it all away, **** em.

Every word you type just makes this clearer to me.

With Nicola leading the austerity charge to ensure that membership requirements would be met - how amusing that would be. But since we all have a common interest in looking out for the best and widest interests of the Scottish people I am sure that no one would be advocating that in truth.

Ninfan - if you are still reading this thread there is a rights of way one that you could give advice on - "landowner needs put back in the box"

Big and daft - have a google - its all out there. Senior EU officials, foreign ministers etc. We can't have an official answer until westminster asks

Have a google - it's all out there. The Scottish Government asked for, and received, an official answer. This whole "only Westminster can ask" is a smokescreen. Our UKIP MEP asked as well.

The SNP didn't like the answer, so they carried on as if they had never asked, but the letters are available on the Scottish Government website.

If Scotland had voted for independence, it would be a new country to which the treaties would not apply. It could apply to join through the usual route.

While I am fairly confident we would be accepted into the EU, it might not be pleasant (we don't meet the criteria), we'd almost certainly not have all our current opt-outs and it wouldn't be particularly quick. Bear in mind that a unanimous vote of all existing members is required.

Nonsense - we never got an official answer

did someone forge this

if so, they did very good job

Twice 😉

anyway grumpy the situation is different post the EU referendum. I have seen EU lawyers opinion that if the EU wanted to do it they could simply declare scotland the successor state so long as the independence vote was before the UK left the EU