On what do you base the assertion that SG has offered SEPA no help?
those whining ex pats
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On what do you base the assertion that SG has offered SEPA no help?
Bump, as I’m curious too.
On what do you base the assertion that SG has offered SEPA no help?
The discussions a person I know well has had with them regarding consents for numerous activities. He'd gone to the offices and seen the pile of mail. Email addresses aren't working and they aren't allowed to use non sepa email so no-ones emails are getting read. Switchboard not working (uses the outlook addresses) so he had to contact a specialist via someone who had his number from a previous project. Officer can't give him anything in writing. Default is to submit in writing (joins the pile) and it's automatically accepted after a standard period. He was told by the officer that SG has said SEPA need to fix this themselves. I believe they have prioritised the flood team which now has some capability. Hack happened before Christmas it's now mid April. Volume of data lost/ inaccessible still being downplayed only news getting out are standard press releases and nobody is asking awkward questions Covid is providing a useful cover
Discussion was a little over a week ago so things may have progressed but no relevant updates found in my Google search
Relevant questions are, how much money have SG given SEPA for disaster recovery since the hack, what resources have been provided by SG and the spend to date, how many other SG agencies have out of date SAP systems (what I understand to be the route in),
If I'm wrong then I'm a random on the internet who is wrong, if I'm even close to being right Scotland has a massive environmental protection issue which is 4 months old and counting and nobody is asking SG what they are doing about it. I hope I'm wrong.
I see that Johnson is once again showing that hes the best campaigner the SNP have
the timing of this seems daft even by his standards
how long will the case take to go to get a judgement, before or after election?
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1381636039392034816
actually the more I think about it, this is EXACTLY the reaction the SNP hoped the government would take
this is EXACTLY the reaction the SNP hoped the government would take
Probably why it was drafted in a way that would trigger this referral to the Supreme Court. Note it's a referral to the senior court of the land to determine whether it's legal or not. I seem to recall that works both ways as the conservative UK government has found out recently.
As usual it's the Scexit grievance politics to the fore rather than the merits of the issue.
As usual it’s the Scexit grievance politics to the fore rather than the merits of the issue.
Because apart from an anti-referendum stance the Tories are offering what? The opportunity to 'share' the benefits of Westminster corruption and lies?
As usual it’s the Scexit grievance politics to the fore rather than the merits of the issue
While the children's rights issues gets all the coverage, I studied its more about reversing the Westminster power grab in the internal market bill, why on earth the Tories think that isn't going to boost the indy movement is beyond me.
The UK government has a history of challenging Welsh legislation as well, it often loses but that hasn't stopped it.
The UK government has a history of challenging Welsh legislation as well, it often loses but that hasn’t stopped it.
Looks like a functioning system then with checks and balances
Looks like a functioning system then with checks and balances
Or a waste of taxpayers money with both governments paying counsel to argue it in the courts (especially since the UK has already ratified both charters - as I understand it this would just make it a matter of Scots law rather than Scots having to go to the English courts?). Neither bill was rushed through - so you'd kind of assume that the UK gov would have highlighted a concern (perhaps they did and it just didn't attract media attention), you'd certainly have thought that if a concern was known the "unionist" parties would have been opposing it at Holyrood rather than nodding it through...
And didn't the Scottish Tories already vote it they anyway?
And didn’t the Scottish Tories already vote it they anyway?
Which is why it's likely to be a technical issue only spotted by the UK constitutional lawyers after it's reviewed before enactment.
But don't let that stop the Scexit grievance bus
Looks like a functioning system then with checks and balances
You could say that but you could also say it's the power hungry UK govt diminishing the role of the devolved administrations. It's not just the EU they want to "take back control" from you know.
Latest polling shows SNP on for a slim majority. Labour to come a poor second, tories to collapse, greens to increase representation, lib dems to remain a minor party and alba to get no seats
Salmand is also less popular than Johnson
good to see that the scots electorate has some sense and good to see Salmond is unlikely to get a seat. It will be a sad day for Scotland if he gets in.
I has a question thats more of a niggle.
The Scottish tories are devolved to their English counterparts, so what happens to them if Scotland gains independence ?.
Does this mean that arm needs to be disbanded 😕 The Tories are an English party, so how can they exist in an Independent Scotland 😕
Scottish tories are less integrated than labour to the UK party by my understanding
iScotland would see a realignment in Scottish politics - at least one if not two right wing groups - there is a significant number of hunting shootin fishing rural conservatives and a few hard right brexiteers
I would expect to see a small hard left grouping, a large centre left grouping ( mainly the left of the SNP and much of labour) a smallish lib dem party. a rural based centre right party ( left of tories plus right of SNP) and a small hard right group ( the rest of the tories and brexiteers) Greens will continue with a decent representation but really are outside of right / left
Yeah polling for indy/SNP is down from its peak a few months ago
Sturgeon facing tough questions about EU membership and border with England as well
Its tight enough that even a pro indy majority isn't a dead cert and SNP will likely have to rely on greens.
Salmond case & vaccine bounce helping No campaign.
Johnson remains Sturgeons biggest asset though, the latest sleaze & Cummings shenanegans surely helping.
Sarwar doing a good job whilst Ross & Co look worse than ever
And Alex who?
pro indy majority is almost certain. SNP majority is tight but the greens will be plenty to get the majority
Yes just need to send my postal vote off. I voted yes at the last IRef and still feel the same. SNP for the constituency seat not sure about the list seat. If I vote SNP will it be wasted am I better going green?
No way would I vote for Salmond so Alba is out.
aberdeenlune - depends on where you live. Borders and highland I think 2nd vote snp is not wasted as they might pick up list seats - other areas perhaps green is a better bet.
I am not certain about that and I am sure there is good info out on the net about this.
Borders is SNP 1 & 2.
Just finished my homework on my region the north east. Good site to look at Ballot Box Scotland.
Up for grabs 10 constituency seats and 7 list seats. In 2016 SNP won 9 out of 10 constituencies. Cons got 1.
SNP won 44% of the list votes but were awarded no list seats. Cons got 28% of the vote and were awarded 4 of the 7 list seats.
Greens got 4.9% of the list vote narrowly missing out on a list seat to the Lib Dem’s who polled 6%.
So SNP constituency green list for me.
One of the interesting consequences of the list vote system is the way it gives fringe parties a chance, admittedly a small one, of getting a seat.
As a result you get a mad assortment of loonballs and zoomers on the ballot.
My two favourites are probably the "Abolish Holyrood Party", who presumably will just vanish in a puff of logic if they get elected.
And the Scottish We Don't Like Gays Family Party
I believe D and G would be another area where SNP 1 and 2 can work out as well, the whole south of Scotland being one region on the list vote.
This is what I have seen as the best way to get a pro independence majority
Highlands & Islands Both Votes SNP
Mid Scotland & Fife SNP 1 Green2
South Scotland Both Votes SNP
Glasgow SNP 1 Green 2
West SNP 1 Green 2
North East SNP 1 Green 2
Central SNP 1 Green 2
Edinburgh SNP 1 Green 2
I am highly amused by the piece in todays grauniad "Trident could be forced overseas or halted if Scotland gains independence" Its from a 2014 report. Why print it now? I believe most scots would consider this a good thing anyway.
The various sites forming the Clyde Submarine Base would be logistically challenging and incredibly expensive to relocate down south. Often wonder how much this figures in Westminster's continued support of this glorious union of equals with us verminous Scots.
Me and Mrs DB have cast our postal ballots...
logistically challenging and incredibly expensive to relocate down south
Notwithstanding that there are few places south of the border seismically stable enough to permit the loading of nuclear weapons.
Many RN people who get based there loathe it because it's such a rubbish place for their families to live and work.
I have read that there are suitable places but too close to big towns. *rolls eyes*
the bombs are not stored or loaded in Scotland now I thought - all in the US and our subs go over there to load them
I am highly amused by the piece in todays grauniad “Trident could be forced overseas or halted if Scotland gains independence” Its from a 2014 report. Why print it now? I believe most scots would consider this a good thing anyway.
I think you answer your own question
I am highly amused by the piece in todays grauniad “Trident could be forced overseas or halted if Scotland gains independence” Its from a 2014 report. Why print it now?
I think you are falling for fake news/conspiracy nonsense - it appears to be dated April 2021 to my eyes
My daughter rushed in from school today very excited after seeing a famous politician doing media in our town. I asked her who it was. Absolute honest answer from her “the fat bald one, you know, the rapey one.”
Ah - I misread it - the guy writing it left the admiralty in 2014 not wrote the report then
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I am highly amused by the piece in todays grauniad “Trident could be forced overseas or halted if Scotland gains independence” Its from a 2014 report. Why print it now? I believe most scots would consider this a good thing anyway.
I don't think most scots give a hoot about trident tbh. 😆 I'd rent out the land and sea access, job jobbied.
Highlands & Islands Both Votes SNP
Mid Scotland & Fife SNP 1 Green2
South Scotland Both Votes SNP
Glasgow SNP 1 Green 2
West SNP 1 Green 2
North East SNP 1 Green 2
Central SNP 1 Green 2
Edinburgh SNP 1 Green 2
Edinburgh... Edinburgh... bloody hell its that sort of misnomer takeover that encourages separatism. I think you meant Lothians.
I don’t think most scots give a hoot about trident tbh. 😆 I’d rent out the land and sea access, job jobbied.
I suspect if we weren't paying for (our share of) it and in fact it was clearly contributing there would be quite a bit of tolerance for it. Right up until one of "their" subs sinks one of "our" trawlers and kills half a dozen fishermen. Then obviously it would be wrong, but the potential to kill 10 million times more of an enemy is all ok.
lazy copy and paste poly
the bombs are not stored or loaded in Scotland now I thought – all in the US and our subs go over there to load them
So you think we pop over to Kings Bay every time we complete a patrol and need to do maintenance? 🤔
Depot is at Coulport, IIRC the only interaction the US has with them is maintenance of the delivery vehicle (the actual missile) whilst we maintain our warheads.
Many RN people who get based there loathe it because it’s such a rubbish place for their families to live and work.
That'll be why so many stick about after they leave the service I suppose?
An alternative would be to try to base Trident at King’s Bay in Georgia, in the US, where Britain’s nuclear submarines go to pick up missiles from a common pool,
From the article in the grauniad
the bombs are not stored or loaded in Scotland now I thought – all in the US and our subs go over there to load them
The warheads are maintained/stored at Aldermaston (inconveniently for those who try claiming the government wouldnt have nukes near London) and also stored/loaded at the Clyde base.
Its the missile bodies which are done in the US.
Ta folks
dissonance - I have heard that exact argument used by politicians for not having the subs down south - all locations too close to urban areas
Yes. Exactly what I just said. The MISSILES are maintained at King's Bay. The warheads are entirely ours and removed before the missiles are returned to the US. The missiles and warheads are removed between patrols and stored at Coulport.
Anyway, I see Galloway has jumped on the "Freedom of speech - repeal the Hate Crime Bill" bandwagon. Tories have also moved to a rather fetching maroon and orange colour scheme 🧐
I have heard that exact argument used by politicians for not having the subs down south – all locations too close to urban areas
Often used but its wrong. Aldermaston isnt in an overly great position and Devonport is rather close to a large urban area. If you look at the historical sites for nuclear missiles and nuclear equipped bombers its pretty obvious that at the time it was selected the concern about urban areas wasnt a major issue regardless of which urban area you are talking about.
The reason that part of Scotland was chosen was because it provided both quick and also hard to track access to the north Atlantic area where they sail in circles.
Other locations would have taken longer to deploy and also be easier for Russian subs to hang around in the hope of following them.
"Devonport is rather close to a large urban area" - which is why its unsuitable according to politicians
the reason that the nukes are so close to Glasgow is the usual "scots don't count". Plenty of other deep water sea lochs further north
