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Great stuff. Its a real bugbear of mine. Unfortunatly they included a 20min for delivery vehicles allowance which will make it hard to enforce but its a big leap in the right direct. Several roads near me you have to walk on the road because of the cars on the pavement blocking it
Once again Holyrood leads the way. this is what happens with PR when the greens get a decent voice
I thought it was illegal anyway. I once got a parking fine for parking half on the path.
In fact everyone did, 15 minutes after kick off of a rugby match at Headingly in Leeds....
Not outside London Ads which banned it along time back their is consideration for the rest of the England.
Dam, new I should have contested it!!
But you say London banned it before Scotland.....
I believe local councils have the right to ban it with a bylaw. I think there are places outside London that have done it (and now scotland too). Also others parking restrictions still apply so you can't park inside a double yellow for example even if you are completely off the road
https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q387.htm
Aah so it seems that local councils can make a traffic regulation order prohibiting it. Must be what they've done in Headingly.
Agree it should be banned everywhere though.
Edit: beaten to it.
Yep banned in London, have been fined near home before not realising, having moved from the Mids.
Ah yes sorry and local bylaws but yes before Scotland.
So theres roads round here that would end up blocked, or very difficult to pass on. Cant wait for that law to make it's way down 🙄
Surely then they are not roads where it is suitable to park !
So theres roads round here that would end up blocked, or car ownership might decrease, people might ride bikes more, air quality will improve, and I'll be able to actually ride the ****ing pavement/cycle path to work in the morning because it'll be a cyclepath not a ****ing car park. Cant wait for that law to make it’s way down
You missed the middle bit out.
Good. We parked on a side street at the top of our road, four wheels on the road. Everyone else was parked half on the pavement and no one with a pram (or in a wheelchair, but that's much less common) could get by.
When we went back to the car 3 days later a middle aged woman had a proper go at us for not parking on the pavement and making it difficult for cars to get by. I'm not sure what car she drove, possibly a Routemaster, but I'd rather it were difficult for a car than for someone disabled.
She said she was waiting for "the government to do something about the parking round here" (I think she meant the council making it a permit zone) but I bet this wasn't what she was thinking 😎
if a road is not wide enough to park on without going on the pavement its simply not wide enough to park on
This is one of the roads near me where the locals will be a tad miffed. They completely block the pavement with cars bth sides so you have to walk in the road.
https://goo.gl/maps/3K9ywBCvWyvbHNy5A
It will be up to local councils to make exceptions as they see fit, so not quite a total ban. Let's wait and see how it develops.
(plus there is the enforcement question)
Indeed scotroutes - but its a big step in the right direction
Step in the right direction. Failed to stop parking in cycle lanes though.
It will be up to local councils to make exceptions as they see fit, so not quite a total ban. Let’s wait and see how it develops.
Ah! I thought it was a total ban not what England already has.
Ah! I thought it was a total ban not what England already has.
I presume you meant London and not England and that's not a total ban either as there are exceptions.
Read the thread.
So its the same as before, but on an opt out basis rather than opt in?
On the flipside
It's allowed outside any school.
In fact, parking on the pavement and nearer the gates the better.
(It must be allowed, every parent at the school near me does it, doen't matter what the Highway code says).
@thisisnotaspoon So back in the real world of urban living, heres a quick example, there is a road in our town, long and straight, with a row of terraced houses down one side, you know the sort the ones that were built a 100 years ago before cars were really a thing. Everyone ever so slightly bumps up the pavement and that way we get two cars past at the same time on the remaining road space, still plenty of pavement and everyone's happy.
Oh and just to add it's one of the main arterial routes in and out. It would be ****ing gridlock and youd have no wing mirrors left if you parked fully on the road.
Then park somewhere else. I can't park outside my house because cars wouldn't get past at rush hour.
It does sound like the London system- a ban and the on certain streets where it's appropriate there are signs and markings on the pavement to show you can park with two wheels on the footway.
So back in the real world of urban living
The one where people live in densely populated areas where public transport is generally far more frequent and convenient than the non-urban living where the bus comes every other wednesday at 2pm (no return journey) but houses have driveways?
terraced houses down one side, you know the sort the ones that were built a 100 years ago before cars were really a thing.
Makes you think.........
100 years ago before cars were a thing, global warming wasnt a thing either. Two birds with one stone.
As Monrobiker says - if the road is not wide enough to park unless you go on the pavement its not wide enough to park full stop.
pavements are for people not cars
You might just have to walk a bit further. Pavement parking is selfish
(plus there is the enforcement question)
Absolutely this. In North Ayrshire its never been decriminalised meaning only the police can issue tickets. Unfortunately they are too busy dealing with real criminals so yellow lines and the like are purely decorative.
Also, never mind parking on the pavement, what about the driving?
I'll be sure to tell the folk that live there. If only the parking and roads and shit public transport was as perfect as you think it should be.
The force of the loons is strong in this thread.
Why do you lot always want to ban everything? Worse than that, you want to ban everything and make some really self righteous justifications for banning it.
Personally, I think there are bigger issues than a few cars parking on pavements.
JP
Personally, I think there are bigger issues than a few cars parking on pavements.
Noooo that can’t possibly be true. 🙄
I just knew the entitled car drivers on here would be moaning
round by me you often have to walk on the road as the pavements are covered in cars. Why do you entitled car drivers think yo have the right to park wherever you want even if it obstructs others. Prams, wheeelchairs can't get down the pavements, little old ladies having to walk in the road. Get real and stop being so selfish.
Personally, I think there are bigger issues than a few cars parking on pavements.
JP
Like global warming, isolation and loneliness in society, air quality so bad its a health crisis, the obesity epidemic, war in the middle east and shrinking cream eggs?
Id say 5/6 being solved by reduced car use is pretty good reason to incentivise it.
wrightyson - google streetview link to the road in question? Lets see how far away safe unselfish parking is
I just knew the entitled car drivers on here would be moaning
Oh do bore off. Theres nothing entitled about the point I raised, I don't even live on that ****ing street. I park my van, (you know the one I use for work to build shit for people like yourself) on my drive along with our bangernomic audi. Nothing self entitled at all, our town is literally in the middle of rolling Derbyshire countryside and without a vehicle youd never get anywhere you needed to be.
They should just encourage people to walk over vehicles parked on the pavement/footway: then everyone’s a winner.
How it has taken this long is incredible. Let’s hope it is enforced everywhere and not just in trouble spots. That street you’ve shown Tj looks like a mild example.
you know the one I use for work to build shit for people like yourself
Oh, fair enough you should get special dispensation, you’re practically a surgeon 😂
The force of the loons is strong in this thread.
+100. There always has to be discretion regarding parking. I drive a 16 seater minibus picking up disabled kids and taking them to school. I drive an urban route on mostly busy, narrow residential roads during busy traffic times. Not pulling up on the pavement (but not blocking it completely) would result in absolute chaos. Local authorities know this, hence the exceptions, even if the narrow one dimensionally minded on here can't.
Always been concious of this fact and avoid parking on pavements (it's possible you might just have to walk further ) but even more ware now as a new pram user.around the industrial area where I used to work folk abandon their cars where ever possible to go offshore for three weeks. Often arriving late and not having time to find a suitable place. They then wonder why an artic has taking the side off their car when they get home 3 weeks later.
Some folk are just dicks when it comes to abandoning their shitboxs
Go like Tokyo.
Tax cars on their width (not penalising....just means you can have the latest audporscherovwr that's at least 27 times too big)
And in. Really densely populated areas - prove you have a dedicated parking space for it over night.
so wrightyson - a link to this street where you have to pavement park?
1835 highways act (section 72) I think, prohibits driving a carriage on the footway, unless to gain lawful access to premises or in an emergency.
Like most things, the law is there, it's just not enforced.
Local authorities can create traffic regulation orders to prohibit it, but that is only so that the enforcement can be carried out by a civil enforcement officer.
Selfish car drivers who park on the pavement are a menace in parts of Southampton, they don't just put the near side wheels just beyond the kerbstones, they are right over so pedestrians without trolleys/prams etc. cannot even get past!
Part of me thinks there should be a limit on how many vehicles you can park outside of your property drive per household, because let's be honest, most of people don't have to use a car to get around. They have become a cancer of convienience since around the mid 1980s, when it became increasingly common for both individuals of a couple to work at least part time.
Maybe the answer lies with re-painting roads with specific parking zones along one side of each road where practical, with breaks in the zones to act as passing points, banning pavement parking outright... But then we will need 24/7 traffic wardens to enforce the penalties.
It's another example of how poor the infrastructure planning is in this country has been over the decades, compared to the likes of Austria.
I want a cream egg now, well two if they've shrunk that much!!
^ take a moment to think about that, then imagine having to deal with that every time you want to nip to the shops or go anywhere.
imagine the stress and annoyance that causes, and having to put yourself in danger 20 times a day just to do something as simple as go to town, or see a friend. Just try and think* about it for a few minutes and see the world from another POV.
Pavements are for people. If the road isn’t passable without parking on the pavement then the road isn’t suitable for parking full stop. Doesn’t matter if it’s terraced houses (I live in one) or a busy arterial route or whatever, if you can’t park safely in the road then you can’t park there.
* better than that, if you've never done it I can heartily recommend borrowing a wheelchair and go out for an hour or two with a friend who uses one and experience the challenges first hand. It is enlightening, kerbs, potholes, 'gentle' slopes, road crossings are all invisible obstacles to most of us, there's no need to go putting more in the way.
I agree with this law. It will cause some headache for some folk - a bit like when smoking in public places was banned, or drink driving. But pavement parking is antisocial.
We have cars near my home that park blocking pavement and cycle path, on the main school access route.
A side benefit is the drip, drip, drip of cost and hassle of car ownership, slowly making people reconsider do that actually need a car.
I'm sat in my father's flat in NW England today looking over a housing estate littered with cars, most of which seem to have not moved all week. Yes, half the cars are driven off to work, but half seem to just sit unmoving.
Too many folk have too many cars, works vans, etc. And it's not just in 100 year old street, check out new estates, no ****er uses their drives, cars abandoned everywhere, and no bloody pavements anyway! 🙂
New build estates come with 1 maybe 2 spots if you spend big bucks alot include the too small to actually house a car bigger than a mini garage as a parking space They also stick the house right at the front of the plot so you have no choice but to only have 1/2 spots. So you get the illusion of. A large garden out the back so you can extend the house that they have built you that is actually too small for the number of bedrooms it has....some I looked at had living rooms to small to have seats to seat everyone had each bedroom had a person in it....
Then they make the estate on a fancy curve so your never looking directly at a neighbour (under the pretence of reducing speed) so people park on the pavement as the curves make the road have pinch points for courier drivers who want to batter round at a million miles an hour and mega blind spots invariably making the estate incredibly unsafe for children.
It's somewhat ironic that many of the things that are done under the pretence of safety by the planners are the very things that make alot of new builds dangerous once you introduce people.
Or another example. Here's planning for new office but you can only have car parking for 50% of the occupancy (westhill arnhall estate) ......but it's served by zero public transport. In the good times The offices used to put on their own Busses.but not now so all you get is cars abandoned all over the place on any bit of scrap ground , the pavement ,the double yellows . No one cares.