http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28206581
think they took the cake there on purpose to get a reaction lol
on a side note this PC crap goes too far.
They discriminated on the design of the cake, not of the customer. If a straight couple had asked for that design it still would of been refused.
Obvious troll is obvious.
PC crap? So you agree with the bakery?
[i]..cake featuring the Sesame Street puppets, Bert and Ernie[/i]
Til I read it I thought they'd asked for an image of a sex act or something!
think they took the cake there on purpose to get a reaction lol
Yes, obviously. Good on them.
on a side note this PC crap goes too far.
Yeah what's wrong with a bit of good old discrimination eh?
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Was it a fudge cake?
Always good to know where the intolerance is.
Good to see someone sticking up for what they believe in.
[i]Was it a fudge cake?[/i]
I must be an intolerant, cos I laughed
Not a comment on the fudge cake gag...
More on the people who choose to discriminate.
What a bunch of idiots - they should have just refused on copyright grounds and that would have been the end of it!
The order was placed as they knew they'd get a reaction, the company (which I have no connection to but live locally so I'm well aware of their stance) have refused other work in the past that they didn't feel they could put their name to.
If I went to a baker and asked to make a jesus/allah/giant flying spaghetti monster cake and they baker wasn't comfortable with it as he was of another faith I'd be pretty sure that in a world of freedom and liberty that it was their right not to have to do something they were at odds with.
Pretty ridiculous situation really that it's got this far, I'd have refused to do it on the grounds that Bert and Ernie are kids tv characters not gay icons
What a bunch of idiots - they should have just refused on copyright grounds and that would have been the end of it!
Would have been a good plan - but I suspect that like many cakemakers they do a fine range of Disney Princess cakes which I doubt they've paid the royalties for.
Besides the 24 year old general [s]bigot[/s] manager said he wanted to take a stand.
(Not a cake stand presumably)
Won't bert and ernie be copyright/tyrademarked whatever so could have been refused due to that.
I know Asda won't let you have cake toppers of copyrighted stuff.
I did wonderThe order was placed as they knew they'd get a reaction
well that makes him an idiot then. Copyright or some wishy washy excuse fair enough, they'd get away with it, but "making a stand" is escalation and when you're on dodgy ground that's pretty daft.Besides the 24 year old general bigot manager said he wanted to take a stand.
Can't believe it's made the BBC news, to be honest.
Wouldn't you just go to a different cake shop?
[i] any Christians running a business could be allowed to follow their Christian beliefs[/i]
= just go somewhere else
[img]Besides the 24 year old general bigot manager said he wanted to take a stand.
[/img]This guy?
any Christians running a business could be allowed to follow their Christian beliefs
= just go somewhere else
+1
Clearly they've only done it for a reaction. The thing that pisses me off is that if this was something that went against/offended any other faith and they refused then it would be considered fine, as we are a diverse and tolerent society that respects other peoples beliefs. Same doesn't appear to apply to christianity however...
Rosa Parks should have just taken a different bus.
sauce?The thing that pisses me off is that if this was something that went against/offended any other faith and they refused then it would be considered fine,
Some people just want to buy their cake and eat it.
any Christians running a business could be allowed to follow their Christian beliefs
= just go somewhere else
Perhaps they could put a sign up explaining what kind of people they don't serve. As a whole bunch of Christians have no problem with gay people. It would make life simpler for people.
Clearly they've only done it for a reaction.
Have to be honest, I don't know the religious beliefs of any of the bakeries I shop at. Is this something I should be paying attention to?
Good to see someone sticking up for what they believe in.
Absolutely - it's good that the customer is taking this further.
The thing that pisses me off is that if this was something that went against/offended any other faith and they refused then it would be considered fine
Being gay is not a faith? Skin colour would be a closer analogy - and what then?
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I do love this inclusive and tolerant society we're living in nowadays, now excuse me while I go and get the Halal butcher up the road prosecuted for refusing to sell me any bacon!
Perhaps they could put a sign up explaining what kind of people they don't serve.
They'll serve anyone, maybe a sign saying they won't make cakes with supporting things they don't agree with?
I think tpbiker is suggesting if the same couple went into a muslim bakers and they were refused, it would be ok - which I [s]think is bollocks[/s] am dubious aboutBeing gay is not a faith? Skin colour would be a closer analogy - and what then?
is he selling bacon to other people? Can I sue Boots for not selling xtr rear mechs to me?excuse me while I go and get the Halal butcher up the road prosecuted for refusing to sell me any bacon!
I do love this inclusive and tolerant society we're living in nowadays, now excuse me while I go and get the Halal butcher up the road prosecuted for refusing to sell me any bacon!
You'd like to have a butcher prosecuted for something they don't sell? Why not ask them for a kilo of potatoes while you're at it?
Being gay is not a faith
emmm yep I realise that. Read again...
[i]on a side note this PC crap goes too far.[/i]
Oh? Something tells me your just dying to say more..
Being gay is not a faith? Skin colour would be a closer analogy
Hmm, homosexuality - lifestyle choice or genetics? Theres an interesting one...
PC crap? So you agree with the bakery
in a way yes, would their be all this hulabalu if they had asked for a swastkia cake lol.
something more subtle perhaps
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Ah, sorry tpbiker, speedreading error. You mean like [url= http://libertyunyielding.com/2014/03/02/muslim-barber-refuses-cut-hair-lesbian-whose-rights-trump-whose/ ]this?[/url]
Hmm, homosexuality - lifestyle choice or genetics? Theres an interesting one...
I'm going to get a nobel prize for finding the gay gene lol
in a way yes, would their be all this hulabalu if they had asked for a swastkia cake lol.
Are nazis a persecuted minority group that thanks to years of discrimination require the protection of the law?
tpbiker - MemberThe thing that pisses me off is that if this was something that went against/offended any other faith and they refused then it would be considered fine, as we are a diverse and tolerent society that respects other peoples beliefs. Same doesn't appear to apply to christianity however...
I must have missed the 11th commandment, thou shalt not bake homocakes. You can not approve of in gay marriage all you want but they're not being asked to approve gay marriage, they're being asked to bake a cake.
I must have missed the 11th commandment, thou shalt not bake homocakes. You can not approve of in gay marriage all you want but they're not being asked to approve gay marriage, they're being asked to bake a cake.
Presumably, the bakery also refuses to bake cakes for menstruating women...
Are nazis a persecuted minority group that thanks to years of discrimination require the protection of the law?
the swastka is much more than a symbol stolen by the nazi's.
a simple ''no i dont want to do that'' would suffice surely. as artisan cake makers they cant be forced to make any cake there asked to.
i am am often asked to work in properties and its certainly something i ve said before.
Well, even nazi's have a right to freedom of political belief and expression: http://www.theguardian.com/law/2012/nov/06/bnp-bus-driver-wins-legal-case
Interesting that the Christian Institute is involved in this. Absolute nutcases obsessed with preventing any steps towards equality for the LGBT community. I'm on a phone so links are a PITA - but just googling the list of challenges they've brought over the last decade tells you all you need to know about them. If Political Correctness makes life difficult for this group and its members, then go for it. I hope the bakery is dragged through the court. Arseholes.
thou shalt not bake homocakes
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i ve refused to work in brothels and other 'establishments' only recently.
If my boss asked me to become a prostitute I'd probably say no too.
Probably.
the swastka is much more than a symbol stolen by the nazi's.
Yes, I'm aware of that.
Well, even nazi's have a right to freedom of political belief and expression: http://www.theguardian.com/law/2012/nov/06/bnp-bus-driver-wins-legal-case
Did the bus driver refuse to allow black passengers on his bus?
As a point of order my wedding cake will have NO ****ing rainbows anywhere near it, it will be much more fabulous than that, possibly with swastikas and 40mph signs and perhaps a wind farm or two ( battery operated so they go round and round and with dead seagulls on them)
Marridge WTAF Marriage even not porridge
Standards are slipping if we get to page #2 before the spelling police get involved
Maybe its a Gay intolerant cake , some people are Lactose intolerant, some people are gluten intolerant , some people are gay intolerant.
So when they successfully gain the moral high ground will they insist that the bakers then bake their cake? I'm sure that'll end well.
Remove the moral outrage about persecuting homosexuals and it becomes a complete non-story IMO. Doesn't any shop keeper have the right to refuse service?
Also, a cake with popular childrens characters next to the logo of a (presumably) gay rights campaign group, as a parent should I feel outraged at this? Surely this was intended to provoke somebody if not the baker.
Remove the moral outrage about persecuting homosexuals and it becomes a complete non-story IMO. Doesn't any shop keeper have the right to refuse service?
Well yes, discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is the story. And no, a shopkeeper doesn't have the right to treat someone differently because they are gay.
As a point of order my wedding cake will have NO **** rainbows anywhere near it
Point of order two: this wasn't a weddindge or marridge cake - it was just cake featuring a pro-gay marriage slogan (and campaign logo) requested by a gay rights activist specifically to get this reaction (and good on him too).
possibly with swastikas and 40mph signs
You'll have to make the 40mph signs really big or no one will see them.
Also, a cake with popular childrens characters next to the logo of a (presumably) gay rights campaign group, as a parent should I feel outraged at this?
Only if you think that the 2 characters who live together and share a bedroom as adults are not actually gay. Anyway why is it wrong for children to see gay characters? Is there something morally outrageous about gay couples?
Remove the moral outrage about persecuting homosexuals and it becomes a complete non-story IMO.
Same as apartheid really eh?
Also, a cake with popular childrens characters next to the logo of a (presumably) gay rights campaign group, as a parent should I feel outraged at this?
No. But you are free to do so.
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Graham good point, while a rumble with the bridesmaid in the loos is absolutely what every weddinge needs, no ones going to be pleased if they don't know what speed the cake should be doing.
Is there something morally outrageous about gay couples
so long as they are two attractive females "acting" in a movie it's ok lol
while a rumble with the bridesmaid in the loos is absolutely what every weddinge needs
By "rumble", do you mean "fight" or ...?
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Put the hoover down emsz.
Graham....no, not fighting. If you haven't had a bridesmaid at the end of the weddingde/marrridgde then either she's not drunk enough or your pulling powers aren't up to much
so long as they are two attractive [s]females[/s] males "acting" in a movie it's ok lol
FTFY
AdamW - Memberso long as they are two attractive females males "acting" in a movie it's ok lol
FTFY
like brad pitt and george clooney in oceans 11?
Graham....no, not fighting.
You kids and your slang. In my day "rumble" meant fight.
Still that puts a very different slant on
If you haven't had a bridesmaid at the end of the weddingde/marrridgde then either she's not drunk enough or your pulling powers aren't up to much
My bridesmaid was my sister. She didn't get [i]that[/i] drunk!
GrahamS - MemberPut the hoover down emsz.
and pick up a dish cloth?
[i]If you haven't had a bridesmaid at the end of the weddingde/marrridgde then either she's not drunk enough or your pulling powers aren't up to much[/i]
Or they're your nieces?
It's not, but why is it so important to point out to a five year old that they're gay? It never occurred to me that they might be gay, when did they come out? Morcambe and Wise appeared on TV sharing a bed, were they gay too?Anyway why is it wrong for children to see gay characters?
Well, no not really. A baker doesn't want to bake a cake for someone, he's not inciting anything as far as I can tell, he just doesn't want to bake a cake for someone.Same as apartheid really eh?
Some people don't like homosexuals, flouncing and trying to force them to like homosexuals is likely to be counter productive don't you think?
It's pretty obvious the order was placed there to get a reaction.
The company reacted.
There is only one winner - the lawyers.
like brad pitt and george clooney in oceans 11?
I don't recall Pitt/Clooney having adult fun in the men's room, I'll have to check that out again to see what I've missed...!
and pick up a dish cloth?
Err, that can be considered out of order. Can you clarify? Don't dis the Emsz!
It's not, but why is it so important to point out to a five year old that they're gay?
You don't "point out" anything - [i]that's[/i] the point. It's normal.
> Same as apartheid really eh?Well, no not really. A baker doesn't want to bake a cake for someone, he's not inciting anything as far as I can tell
Apartheid isn't "inciting" anything either - everything would be fine if those black people would stop making such a fuss and stick to their own drinking fountains etc.
Quite ridiculous this, As its a bespoke piece it should be in the bakers remit to take or not take the commision the same way an artist decides what to paint.
What about the bakers rights, should they be forced to do something against there beliefs to conform to society.
I don't think so, its in the shop owners rights to refuse service, they should however have been far cleverer about how they did this.
These cases are quite difficult in my view because whilst gays have a right not to be discriminated against, the religious also have protection under the Equality Act 2010, so whose rights trump whose when they conflict or should a middle ground be found? Whilst I am not sure of the answer, I am pretty sure that activists purposely, to use forum terminology, trolling over a relatively frivolous item is not the best way to either develop the law or gain greater sympathy for their cause. (This is equally the case for the Christian groups that do the equivalent). I am sure that there are more important cases that could be pursued with the public money that will be spent if it goes to court.
Ok so no shagging the relleys, fair point. I'm just bragging that I'm 2 for 2 this summer.
[boom Chica waah waah]
[i]Some people don't like homosexuals,[/i] you mean the thought of homosexuality? Right? I mean how would you tell otherwise? What if they came into your shop and wanted a nazi themed rainbow marridged cake. Then you'd be all conflicted and shit.
Didn't think of that!!!
Busted
I'm just bragging that I'm 2 for 2 this summer.
Pics or it didn't happen... 😉
Seriously though, will you be trying for 3 for 3 at your own wedding ... ?
Quite ridiculous this, As its a bespoke piece it should be in the bakers remit to take or not take the commision the same way an artist decides what to paint.
There was in fact a very well argued case in the US Supreme Court recently about whether a wedding photographer was entitled to decline commissions for gay marriages because she didn't like gays. The outcome was the court said - it's business, not art, and you should do what you're in business to do according to the law. (I might have remembered everything backwards).
Can't believe it's made the BBC news, to be honest.
Wouldn't you just go to a different cake shop?
"Sorry, pal, we won't write "happy communion", maybe youse should try a Tim cake shop, eh?"
Whilst I am not sure of the answer, I am pretty sure that activists purposely, to use forum terminology, trolling over a relatively frivolous item is not the best way to either develop the law or gain greater sympathy for their cause.
Maybe, but it made headlines and got all of us talking about it - so I'd say job done really.
Nashwaymule, they make cakes...for weddings...they can't just pick and chose what laws they feel like.
I agree the shop owner should be free to refuse service to anyone he wants. It's discrimination, yes, and religion IMO is a fool, and a divisive fool at that. As a graphic designer and vegetarian (in past years) I've refused (as an individual) to do jobs for butchers, yet Iknew that someone else in the company would do the job. When a company refuses to make something they obviously have a policy and should make that clear in their adverts/point of sale to save confusion.
We have a right to be free, and a right to be offended, but where do we stop taking people's rights away to manufacture or not manufacture based upon idealogy/discrimination? i'd love a good concise answer to this, but haven't seen one yet.
What about the bakers rights, should they be forced to do something against there beliefs to conform to society.
Yes.
They run a business, offering a service to the public.
They should not be allowed to refuse that service based on someone's sexuality, religion or ethnicity.
Do you think it would be okay for a golf club to refuse to accept black people as members?
I don't think so, its in the shop owners rights to refuse service, they should however have been far cleverer about how they did this.
Nah. At least they had the balls to publicly stand by their beliefs, even if I think they are misguided.
The baker said the bible is clearly against homosexuality, but they sell sausage rolls.