[b]pebblebeach[/b]
Possible stupid question from a new runner. I've just started running in merrell trail gloves and I'm very happy with them. Not sure if I should be wearing socks with them or not though. If I should do you have any recommendations.
I wear thin socks with my Trail Gloves, my mate doesn't with his. They're designed so you can wear them without socks, but I just prefer having a thin layer as a couple of areas tend to be slightly rough.
A new runner? Hope you've built up to barefoot running nice and slowly?...
Not built up to bare foot running specifically but I do a lot of walking, around 15 miles a week so I'm used to using my legs to get about.
Not built up to bare foot running specifically but I do a lot of walking, around 15 miles a week so I'm used to using my legs to get about.
I'd beg to differ that 15 miles a week is a lot of walking, and it's hardly akin to barefoot running, I only wanted to highlight the potential injuries looming if you launch straight in to it. Plenty of previous threads on here where it's been discussed. Anyway, enjoy your running! 🙂
Fair enough but that's 15 miles of casual walking, lunch time walks, walk to the shops and doesn't include long weekend walks. I would imagine that to the majority of the population 15 miles a week is a fair bit of walking.
What advice do you have for 'breaking me in gently".
Don't worry. If you can do 5+ miles without any ankle/shin issues then you're already there.
pebblebeach, just do slow runs of just a few mins at a time to begin with, barefoot really hurts your achillies and ankles. I run all the time, and TBH barefoot trainers were no good for me. Just going now after a couple of weeks of hollys, should be interesting!!
Emsz is right, barefoot runners see beginner problems so much that they even have an acronym for it TMTS (too much too soon).
Basically it seems to be harder on your feet, the muscles need to work to stabilise the foot especially on uneven ground, the ankle, barefoot the ankle now takes on the stabilisation that is otherwise provided by the cushioning of the shoe and the achilles/calves, which are all of a sudden working alot harder than they have before.
The reccomendation even for experienced runners is to build up slowly, like starting from scratch essentially.
This is what I have done (easy for me as I had injuries for nine months, put on weight and lost my fitness) and I have had no niggles, just calf soreness on the longer runs, now (4 months) I rarely get that either. I also rate shin compression guards for recovery although the other half thinks I look like a pratt wearing them in bed!
Matt
But if the guy can already can a 10k like he does wearing a zero drop shoe, without any issues, then maybe his ligaments, muscles, and what not are already predisposed to this barefoot style.....so absolutely no breaking in necessary.
Going for my first run in zero drop road shoes tonight and I'm really looking forward to it (5 mile club handicap). Been running the trails in bare grips for ages but all my running shoes re 4mm drop. These things are light though, very light.....bare-x 150's.
My last few (well, four) pairs of trainers have all been racing flats with little padding and minimal heel-toe drop.
A couple of weeks ago i bought a pair of Puma Faas 500. I'd forgotten how nice it was to run in a big comfy cushioned shoe. **** minimalism!
Just got some Merrell trails yesterday, on offer in local Decathlon at half price 🙂
Now browsing barefoot running drills, anyone got any tips or just take it slow and build up to longer distances?
I got mine for £35 in jones sale - very pleased with that given that sale sticker said £42.50. I just went straight in no messing, no major aches or pain, calves a bit tight but that's it. I can't be doing with fannying about.
mogrim - MemberJust got some Merrell trails yesterday, on offer in local Decathlon at half price
Now browsing barefoot running drills, anyone got any tips or just take it slow and build up to longer distances?
that's more or less it.
but if you want to practise the technique of landing softly, but without over-working your Achilles:
run on the spot, landing on the large 'pad' behind your toes, aim to land on the outer side of the pad first (behind your little toe), then let the rest of the foot land gently, with your heel coming down last.
there should be no jarring impact.
Thanks, ahwiles!
I'd forgotten how nice it was to run in a big comfy cushioned shoe. **** minimalism!
Nice....
I'd forgotten how nice it was to run in a big comfy cushioned shoe. **** minimalism!Nice....
For me, i mean. I wouldn't want to put people off trying it who are seeking to solve injury problems or who want to see if it'll make them faster. I think there's definitely a place for a big comfy shoe in a high-mileage week though.
I'll still be racing in my Hyperspeeds.
For me, i mean
I was agreeing with you! Flats for racing bit more midsole for mileage.
Ah i see 😀
I used f195 for a bit and TBH they messed up my ankles and I couldn't run as fast as I could in normal shoes. Haven't bothered with them for a few months and I've gone back to normal trainers ( addidas if it makes a difference)
Non-Tarmac + Roclite 295 = Mile upon slow mile of good times.
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This is what you need.
Oh no, the barefoot debacle.
Oh no, the barefoot debacle.
I say it's a miracle cure.
Yours
Barefoot Bob
😆
Love the video!
First park run today, 18.51 and 6th. Slower than I thought but nearly 2/3rd on grass and quite boggy in places.
15mile planned for tomorrow as a recce for ripon ultra. Got back to speedwork this week to with 3x1mile then 3 sprints of 50ish m, fastest mile was 5.41 at the end. Also doubled up and did a 6 miler the same day! Yesterday I rode to work, ran a tough 6 at lunch, rode home then did an hour of karate... This may account for a few seconds slower on today's 5k, maybe!
Nice report here on the race my training partner Caroline is doing - http://www.mudsweatandtears.co.uk/2012/08/31/wmrc-preview-eritrea-return/
“I’m still standing”
Yes, yes I am. I’ve been trail running now for a few months and I’m feeling much better thanks.
As to how it’s going? Well that’s rather difficult for me to assess, you see I’m not timing myself nor using any GPS nor timing methods. I’m not that interested in tracking progress other than how my body feels. You see I have no “marathons” nor “events” to train for. I’m running in the woods and beaches near me cos’ it’s something I can do to stretch myself and enjoy the environment straight after work, quick and simple and it’s different to biking.
Progress: Other than my legs still feel sore the day after I’m actually doing ok, my stride feels much better and paced now than it did after the first couple of weeks, I seem to have settled into a rhythm and due to years of cycle racing experience I can tap into and back off depending on how my body is feeling, so this has helped me able to pace on and off at will. I’m not sure how newbies to running cope with not being able t do this.
Location: I run locally on beaches and woods/forests, I choose the soft sand and dry’ish trail paths near by and also use my local woods/forest a lot up and down the river. This is the nicest trail I use and sometimes I’ve been able to bounce up some sharp turns that have made me walk previously. Wooded roots and slippy angled trails are now becoming things of the past as I’m able to pick and glide(ish) over them where once they’d trip me up. Dodging trees and overhanging branches seem much easier to dodge.
Breathing, well sometimes I top out and have to peg right back, I suffer with a bit of over exuberance and can often get too excited and my breathing suffers, this is coming with experience and I’m finding less and less times where I have to double breath out of pattern so to speak.
Knees, these sometimes kill. I use some rather fancy trainers designed for this type of running and I’ve had no issues with them, but the knees sometimes hurt like hell after a run. Doesn’t matter if it’s the same trail used or same pace, just no idea why. So I’m choosing to ignore the pain and putting it down to “I’ll get over it” and that’s exactly whats happening.
Other People: I’ve met some other folk doing these trails, only a couple of guys but they’re much faster than I am (and going in the opposite direction) although I say Hi, they’ve so far refused to acknowledge me, lucky me.. But I like it that way, I’m not doing it for them after all.
Trials: I’m finding my trails are holding up well, the FC have been hacking down trees in one of my woods and other than that I’m enjoying the environment.
Water: I don’t take any along with me. Trials are loops in my world so I’m back at the start point (normally car/home) so I top up then. I’ve never ridden without water bottles so this is new to me not sipping whilst exercising, I just can’t be bothered to carry a bottle. I guess at some point I’ll buy a small handheld one.
Kit: Same as when I started. Trainers are holding out well (Salomon Sportcross3’s) some sympatex stretchy shorts (non Dutch style) and long sleeve sympatex top. Socks I’m using Sportwools hiking lites.
Motivation: Some days I’ve run for ages, some days I’ve done no more than 3k and felt whacked, there seems to be no pattern to this and I’m putting it down to age and a change from loadsa cycling to a mix of both now.
Future: Plans only extend to a different environment, fells I seem to have a thing for in my brain and steeper rockier trails but other than that I’m happy swallowing flies near the river.
Nice write up there Bikebouy!
My mate came 21st in the Worlds junior womens uphill race, Taking 3rd spot for GB and getting a silver for the team Prize! 8)
I started running properly last october and did my first half marathon yesterday (glasgow) did it in 1h 54mins, pretty pleased as I wanted to do it in under 2hrs. Six weeks to my next one!
Cool!
I did the Kent coastal one yesterday. Described by the organisers as "undulating", described by me as "f'ing undulating". Glutes feel like they've been smacked with a baseball bat today 🙂
Injured with less than 6 weeks to the marathon. Oh well 🙁
Bugger. What happened?
peroneal tendon went last week. On reflection I was overdoing it, 22 miles sunday, bike monday, 10 mile intervals tuesday.
Unlucky Dj, get some ice on it! Fingers crossed your back at it soon.
Going to give [url= http://www.ilkleyharriers.co.uk/index.php?page=incline ]THIS[/url] another go tomorrow night. 1 mile sprint, straight up. I may need marrow receipes after.. Soup? 😀
Rode to work today, just so i dont get thrown off the forum for not being a cyclist.. Strange really but running has taken over. At best im now a commuting cyclist after selling the mtb 3 months ago ive not missed it yet.
Just out of interest, does anyone else get really bad stitches when out and about?
I went out for a trot round the village (about 4 miles0 last night and less than half way round got a really nasty stitch. Bad enough I actually had to stop for a bit. It eventually passed, but was not fun, so I'd welcome any tips for preventing them or getting rid of them.
Thinking about it, when I get a stitch it's usually in the same place. Is that normal?
Do more sprint intervals. That'll increase your cardiovascular capacity so much you won't get stitch any more 🙂
On the subject of running, I've had to come to work by train this week, so no bike (too much faff given the circumstances), only got running kit. So if you see someone at Ceasar's camp or Tunnel Hill huffing and puffing along, it could be me.
Oh yeah - must get myself a headtorch from Amazon for my birthday, due to lots of store credit. I think there's a Cree LED powered one for £16
Rarely get it, but used to get it occasionally going downhill. I think, though could be completely wrong, that the stitch is caused by one of the muscles that supports your guts cramping. Cramping's often caused by muscles being asked to do more than they're used to, so I guess over time it will strengthen and stop cramping, or you could find ways of trying to reduce the bumping that's causing it to be stressed, but trying to land softer - but that's pretty rubbish conjecture by me :). Google's probably got some better answers.
Stich? No, no not yet..
Orchards run tonight, up the river, turn right over the bridge, through the orchards and back through the woods..
Nice.
Very nice.
Last (second!) triathlon of the year done, so just entered this [url= http://www.cotswoldcare.org.uk/train/details.php ]Race The Train[/url] to keep the motivation going.
To beat the train, you need to average 8 min mile (5mins per km). I can do 4m30s per km regularly & consistently, but throw in those climbs over Cleeve Hill and this is going to be a challenge...
Eeeeek.. mental..
Wow, just had an awsome high volume week. 69 miles mostly junk but with a couple of tasty club runs in there. Managed to stay niggle free aside from an lingering piriformis issue. Yesterday's run of 18 miles was interesting especially when I totally conked out 8 miles from home.
This week i mostly appreciated that NB110's are ace, as are Inov8 Bare-x 150's. Oh, and I ripped through the uppers of 165 mile old Saucony Triumph's and confirmed my contempt for Salomon SpeedCross 3's.
Good work seanoc.. I was tempted by the speedcross 3 but i suspect they havnt moved on much from the 2s? Have you tried fellcross? Think i will stick with inov8, tempted by the new mudclaw 300 but may just get another pair of x talon 212 for my next buy As they are faultless.
I did Wetherby 10k, came in 19th with a chip time of 37.53, Miles off a pb, but nice to be back in 37min from 38 at recent races. Gave it everything on a hot day [25c]so pretty pleased and also beat some good rivals by 45seconds that have had the better of me recently 8)
Work to be done still, Ripon ultra still looming only 4 weeks away and then snowdonia marathon. Need to keep going long on a weekend and get my arse out of bed for the speedwork as my next 10k is Leeds abbey dash..
Got some new Adidas adizero hagio and christened them at wetherby, mega light shoe and great from the box. Nicely discounted at Pete blands too.
So up tomorrow before first light, 4 x 1 mile reps or fartlek round town? 😐
That's some commitment there nosemineb, I've been told that I can't get up earlier than 6 as it wakes the young'uns.
I've never tried the fell cross and probably never will. I got the SC3's cheap and generally only use them for gardening or playing footie with the young lad. The mud claw 300 looks good but I'm not sure what it has over the x-talons. My x-talons have been phenomenal and will definately be getting replaced when they eventually die......they seem to just go on and on though.
I believe the 300 has a talon like upper but with the very grippy studs from the mudclaw. I think if it was sub 250 i would have gone for it.
I find the earlier i go the more success i have leaving the house with everyone asleep. Also 2 days a week i work 6am till 2pm so i'm used to getting up, bad night sleep last night, blaming it on the 10k 😕
Just ordered a set of those adizero hagio nosemineb.
I'll be blaming you if they don't make me faster 🙂
I can live with that! 😀
Planning a lunch time run in the hagio today, 7 mile ish. Then a Fell race tonight at Roseberry topping, its only 1.5 mile so nowt but a quick thrash!
Saturday i have volounteered to pace for a parkrun and already planned a 20mile recce of Ripon ultra for Sunday morning, starting in Masham and heading to Grantley before returning to Ripon. Should take me over 40 miles again this week plus biking and karate. 😀
Ripon ultra looks pretty good-what sort of elevation gain and what sort of pace are you envisaging?
I'm on for clocking another big week; should complete the Strava TR100 challenge today (3 days early)....not many long runs though just a heap of 6-10 milers. Doing a recce of a trail marathon on Monday so that should kick next week off nicely with a 27-28 miler.
