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AA - obvs it’s immaterial, because the ref gave it.
The player with hands on the ball was the tackled player who has to place then release the ball. Wales forwards failed to structure their ruck so the ball was behind the back feet. A decent ref will call “ball out” allowing competition - but we have Peyper.
Loved the May chase & tackle. His game awareness is so much better than a few years ago.
Few silly penalties creeping in this half that have allowed Wales to cut the gap.
This is a bit tight for my liking. Come on England!
This could be decided by a drop goal in the end. Too close to call.
Lucky 3 for England there - Curry off his feet imho
What a try. How many phases????
Lots
England tried to play territory not attack. Big test now
very unsporting of Wales to pick a full back.
Wales are going to win this now. Fair play to them; much better in the second half.
Liam Williams class today.
Why do Wales get the put in when it’s held up & they take it in?
Balls...
If I was an England fan I'd be more than a little pissed off!
The killer there is denying England a BP.
Great finish by Adams
Bollocks.
Got to play for a losing bonus point now.
AA - do you mean the decisions? Wales far the better team in 2nd half.
Oh cock
Well we’ll be watching that try for years to come!!!!!!!
Can’t argue with that tbh. Kick, kick, Kick. Got to carry too.
Will Wales get back up for Ireland?
Never in doubt.
Erm....
Curry deserves MOTM for me, he was epic.
However, patient, measured play from Wales. What a test match!
AA – do you mean the decisions?
No I just think England had enough to win but kept doing the same thing that didnt work.
Gatland 5 Eddie 0
That was a fair old arm wrestle. England needed to change it up a bit more from the kicking to win that. Wales good for the win and the 16th man in Cardiff certainly helps.
Congratulations to Wales (through gritted teeth)....
Forgotten how to lose ; )
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Gatland 1 Jones 0
Edit: OK, a_a beat me to it.
Cracking game! 2nd half was fantastic. Biggar inspired when he cane on. Loopy Liam had one of his best games in years.
Well, Jiffy was all over Curry as MOM until Wales were in the lead. He’s such a prick.
Congrats to Wales, very well played.
That was an epic victory. To come back against a rampant England bit by bit, turn the screw and disrupt their game plan. What a way to win such an important match, what a fantastic confidence boost. And it's England at home! (From a rivalry perspective not an anti-English one!)
How did Wales get the penalty at the scrum on that last try? (Which was very well taken btw).
Wales weren't driving straight at all and loose head popped up
Ultimately Wales deserved the win, but ref was pretty one way today.
Beating us in a year ending in 9 continues...
Need Ireland to do us a favour now.
Maybe that fallow week did stall our momentum. Fair play to Wales though.
2 very strong teams - no shame in losing to Wales in Cardiff.
Predictions at the start were no Grand Slam this year - I’ll still go with that - Ireland will be desperate next week.
PS - no point analysing Peyper decisions - he was awful to both sides.
dantsw13
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Why do Wales get the put in when it’s held up & they take it in?
I think that's what Farrell asked the ref too; the ref seemed to suggest Wales were going forward...
Don't England have two more bonus points than Wales though? Surely if Wales lose to Ireland it's still going to be England's championship?
Guscott is a weapons grade bell end too. For the last two weeks he was full of praise for England and now he’s purring over Wales and it’s a massive set back for England etc.
Ultimately Wales deserved the win, but ref was pretty one way today.
I think some of the refereeing was poor. I don't think it was one-sided, more that Wales played the ref better.
Why is Biggar not your starting 10? He changed your whole shape for me.
Molgrips - Correct. Wales not managing a BP v Italy could bite them.
Oh **** off Guscott. FFS the mans the reason I played 13, I’m losing my mojo with him for sure. It’s not the end of the World for England nor the World Cup for Wales.
I have to admit I was disappointed with England tactics today. I was hoping England kicked in response to space last week, whereas today it just seemed aimless.
molgrips
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Don’t England have two more bonus points than Wales though? Surely if Wales lose to Ireland it’s still going to be England’s championship?
Winning bp against Scotland, losing bp against Ireland and it could come down to points difference?
You’d expect England to get a BP v Italy. If they do a losing BP against Ireland won’t help.
Why is Biggar not your starting 10? He changed your whole shape for me.
Because Wales didn't play very well the first two games of the 6N so neither anscombe or biggar staked a claim. Both played better today and Biggar was a game changer. Best I've seen him play for a while
Thought England kicked too early in the 2nd half. In the previous games they attacked first to draw at least one backfield defender up to the line but not today. I also thought it odd that Wales's game plan seemed to be designed for Biggar from the beginning but they didn't start with him. Both teams are defending well, but will have to do more joined up thinking to win a world cup.
I don’t think it was one-sided, more that Wales played the ref better.
I don’t think they needed to play the ref - they just needed to point the headless chicken way Sinckler played. He should have been carded in the first minute of the second half, for taking out AWJ. (From behind, off the ball..)
Why is Biggar not your starting 10? He changed your whole shape for me.
Gatland for his faults is very loyal to players, you have to get dropped from his teams and Anscombe has done alright. He is also much more of an attacking threat and I think he expects that to be important in Japan.
A couple of the best players in the team missing, combined with a poor display away from home will bring a display like that. Not the end of the world.
Guscott is a weapons grade bell end too.
Never a truer word spoken. What a ****.
Stoked on the result though, well worth getting up at 530am for.
Sinckler is going to lose England a big game some time soon.
I'm not a rugby expert - played at school, got too small, lost interest, just back recently and the technical tactics are still being learned.
What went wrong then - clearly the tactic of kicking that worked so well in R1 and R2 didn't work here, but then why did they persist - they barely hit the grass at all this week, and the high ball was just being run back over and over.
Who makes that call - after 50 mins it was clear that it wasn't going well, does Farrell make the call on the pitch or is it EJ's way or not at all? Wales played better than France or Ireland, but I still can't work out if they're better than England because England seemed to hobble themselves tactically - as others have said it was as much Gatland vs Jones as Wales vs England....and it wasn't even Gatland's tactics that were great, he just played players who know what they're doing at 11/14/15 and let England just play into their hands
I agree there is no point trying to pick up Peyper’s refereeing with regards to any team getting an advantage. He is a proper pain in the arse, though, when it comes to be pernickety and arbitrary, especially around the set piece.
Referees like him make for a ‘technical scrummager’s’ wet dream. I don’t remember a single scrum where one team went forwards whilst the other went back. There was plenty of popping up, hingeing and dropping, though.
But it evened itself out over 80 minutes, so no complaint about the result.
It’s amazing how fickle English fans are; lots are going off at the deep end, it’s all doom and gloom, Sinkler should never play again...
Yes, he got sucked into some silly shit today but overall he’s had a good tournament so far. He’s scrimped really well (not usually one of his strengths), has shown up well in the loose and set up one of Slade’s tries with some soft hands and vision (for a fat lad).
It is a set back, but we have two hole games now and we need to pick ourselves up. The Lawes injury is a blow because he’s had a good tournament.
Why is Biggar not your starting 10? He changed your whole shape for me.
Isn't it the case that they swap them as a tactical choice?
Who makes that call – after 50 mins it was clear that it wasn’t going well, does Farrell make the call on the pitch or is it EJ’s way or not at all?
I'm far from an expert but it seems to me that's how Wales have won a fair few matches - by making decisions re game plan on the field. WG has been coaching them for years to be smart. England seem all full of fire and pace but I think they just do what EJ tells them.
Yes, he got sucked into some silly shit today
He didn’t get sucked it anything - he created it.
Wrecker - I’m just hoping that today is the outlier for England rather than the last two being abnormal and today back to the same dross as last year.
England picked a back line to run at the opposition, yet kept kicking from 1st phase all day. We didn’t compete at a single restart either.
Maybe it's time to move on from Eddie Jones, there never seems to be a plan b with him.
He didn’t get sucked it anything – he created it.
Quite. He's a proven shithouser, and his shithousery today was par for the course. Peyper should really have gone to his cards for him, he was lucky to get subbed off. It's a shame, as he's a great prop, and has real potential, but his continued shithousery will lose England a big game some time soon.
I’m just hoping that today is the outlier for England rather than the last two being abnormal and today back to the same dross as last year.
They performed really quite poorly against a dreadful French team, in the second half. The outlier could be that they beat Ireland?
They performed really quite poorly against a dreadful French team, in the second half. The outlier could be that they beat Ireland?
Wow that is a massive overreaction. I was there at Twickenham, the French were a beaten team and the game well beyond doubt. It was quite obvious both sides were playing to not get injured for the next game. It pretty much turned into tag rugby after the massive hit by Lawes on basterau. Can't fault the players for that
Recent results suggest that behind NZ, there isn’t much to chose between England, Wales, Ireland and SA, with Aus Arg SCO able to beat the others too on their day. After 3 rounds I haven’t seen much to change that opinion.
I don’t remember a single scrum where one team went forwards whilst the other went back.
I'm sure I recall Wales shoving England off their own ball at 1 point.
I thought Sinkler was good but Wales certainly laughed off all Englands niggle. I thought Tuilagi was luck to get away with grabbing Liam by the throat.
Quite. He’s a proven shithouser
bollocks. he's no more a shithouse than S.Lee and far less so than the likes of that shorty little ****unt irish prick.
England kicked it away all day and ignored their clear physical advantage. It's the same old failing to think on their feet. Pretty narrow win all things considered though.
bollocks. he’s no more a shithouse than S.Lee
Much much more. Samson rarely says a word. Rob Evans can be a **** but not Lee. Sinkler is a nutter, watch the last few mins of the Lions second test for an example.
I thought Sinkler was good but Wales certainly laughed off all Englands niggle. I thought Tuilagi was luck to get away with grabbing Liam by the throat.
I wouldn't mind betting that Gatland said at half time "get out there and wind them up, get them riled, spoil their composure".
Because that is exactly what they did 2nd half.
he’s no more a shithouse than S.Lee and far less so than the likes of that shorty little ****unt irish prick.
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Bollocks, bollocks and more bollocks. Sinkler is no angel but Lee has been done for head butting and Healy for all sorts (he is a dirty bastard). Sink is no worse than either, like it or not.
The press and a lot of fans are an interesting bunch and the swings in attitude are hilarious.
Wales has a poor two games before today and were clearly not as and as everyone thought. We had one very good performance and one good one and we are clearly not as good as we were being made out to be. As with all things, it’s somewhere in the middle.
Hopefully the fallow week will help us out and allow us to refocus. No major team changes for Italy - they need the opportunity to prove themselves. The frustrating thing is that with the kicking game faltering, why didn’t we use the big boys to trick it up? Maybe bring the likes of Genge on a bit earlier. Hey ho, hindsight is a bitch and Wales were the better team today.
Sinkler is no angel but Lee has been done for head butting and Healy for all sorts (he is a dirty bastard). Sink is no worse than either, like it or not
Whatever, you are 100% wrong about Lee though also only one of those 3 players was involved in todays game. Played well and then started to give a few pens away and got hooked.
he's exactly as dirty as sinker is and just as much of an arsehole.
I don't think the England game plan was to kick away so much ball, more that they have it ingrained recently to do that off slow ball which is fine... but they overlooked the real problem which was slow ball. The difference between the speed of the ball today compared to England's previous few games when they looked on fire was massive. Wales were a giant PITA around the rucks and that's massive credit to Wales on the back of some frightening England performances
Oh and putting Lee in the same bracket as Healy or Sinkler is way off the mark. One bit of niggle in a very tough match is a lot to hold against one of the quietest in the Welsh side. I'm sure there was far worse today that went unnoticed as there always is. Healy is a cheapshot merchant of the lowest levels and Sinkler is liability for his team walking a fine line as even he acknowledges. Lee is neither
Wow didn’t see that result coming.
Best thing about today is Gatts outsmarting Jones tactically.
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he’s exactly as dirty as sinker is and just as much of an arsehole.
Bless, I understand you're smarting but you have never been more wrong. Sinkler isnt really dirty anyway just a loose cannon. Lee is too passive. Healey is a roided up thug. If you were talking about Evans you'd maybe be onto something.
Bullshit. He's every bit as dirty as the pair of them. You can like it, or you can not like it. Lee's in the same park, his record is far more convincing than some casual mountain biking rugby fan might think. He's a full on ****, the main difference is that he's not as good as sinkler or Healy.
Daily Heil player ratings, England team get much higher 😁😁😁😁😄😄😄
I’m English and Lee doesn’t seem too dirty. Healy on the other hand is an a-hole.
Sinkler is just a bit of a tit. Sometimes it comes off and he winds the oppo up (e.g. POM dropping the c-bomb) other yikes it’s him being a dick (today). If he can learn to walk the line, he’ll be a fine player.
The Welsh by and large seem pretty sensible without too many idiots. England on the other hand have had a fair few.
The difference between the speed of the ball today
..was tipuric lying on top of Youngs.
was tipuric lying on top of Youngs.
Once again I resort to the 🤔
Seriously wtf?
The only time I saw Tipuric lying on Youngs it backfired on him spectacularly, as Curry zipped through the gap he should have been defending for England’s try.
Having just watched the highlights, there was a lot of tackling players beyond the ruck. As with all these things, a good team will push what the ref allows on the day.