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I've just seen the other angle.
He knew. It was deliberate.
Scummy player.
I've only seen that one AA posted and that definitely showed he tripped. If, as it appears there is another more damning angle then I'm sure he'll be cited.
He may have tripped that doesnt explain the elbow drop. Looks pretty clear to me.
got to agree with AA there. And besides, he's a scummer.
Yeah if he tripped he'd put his hand out to break his fall but he clearly sticks his elbow out after he started falling.
Utter scum bag, should have been banned from the game after the Rob Hawkins incident.
Launchbury
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I'd give Launchbury the benefit of the doubt. Seems a good player with no previous. Doesn't appear to get involved in much that I have seen. I think it was clumsy and he was possibly being shoved around a bit which ruined his aim. In that situation why would he try to kick the player?
Clark on the other hand has form, Its a shame as he is a very good player. The Hawkins incident will follow him his whole career and this looks deliberate to me.
Surfer, in once sense I agree about Launchbury but it should be on him to avoid kicking a bloke in the head. If the ball is the other side of a head dont kick at the ball. I have said this a number of times and have highlighted this issue before when naff all has happened. Would be a shame for Launchbury if the authorities decide to wake up to this now.
Launchberry should be banned for that - should have been a yellow / maybe a red. Yes there may be no intent but its reckless use of the boot and he connects with someones head - by the laws thats a probable red card.
IIRC last year a welsh player got carded for a similar one
Launchberry gets two weeks ban - about right
"Launchbury accepted the act, missed by the officials, warranted a red card.
The kick was deemed reckless rather than intentional by an independent disciplinary committee, resulting in what would have been a four-week suspension.
However, this was reduced to two weeks because of mitigating factors, including the Wasps forward's guilty plea, his previous clean record and good conduct at the hearing."
IIRC last year a welsh player got carded for a similar one
I thought the welsh just got kicked!!
My fav example
I think it was the first one I was thinking of. Of course the welsh would not get up to skulduggery. Whatever was I thinking of? 😯 😉
I spotted the Clark thing at the time, what set my ref Spidey sense tingling is that he doesn't fall where he should. To me;he changes direction in a way that isn't natural in an attempt to make contact with an opo body.
2 weeks for Launchbury
Lawes will continue to start - doubt they'll bring Kruis back as a starter so who partners Lawes? Atwood hasn't played much Ewels has only just won his first cap.
Will be interesting to see what they do with the backs - May will be back in the running, T'eo has done pretty well and offers something different to the other centres. Both Daly and Roko put down a bit of a marker.
Seems reasonable for launchbury. Shouldn't have done it, it's reckless but I very much doubt it was an aimed kick at the head.
Interested to see what Callum gets, he certainly should be nowhere near a rugby pitch - there's enough potential for injury in the game without getting deliberately harmed by a nutcase.
Liam Williams reported as signed for Saffercens.
End of his international career then ( and his career?) Shame for Wales I rate him as a player even if he is fighting for the twerp of the year award with a couple of others
Why the end of his career?
Going to England to sit on the bench has been the end of a few folks careers. Is he really going to be first chopice or is he just going to be cover for their internationals?
Maybe I am wrong but I have seen it too many times
Well he's a better full back than Goode and a better winger than whoever they currently have that was kept out of the team by Ashton.
I'm just going to leave this here and run.
Run AA - run away.
So, open season on no arm shoulder smashing to the head, apparently.
Sam Cane gets off with nothing.
I agree with the Cane judgement. Accidental not a red no ban to serve.
Doubt Williams will be sitting in the bench; he's a replacement for Ashton and I imagine that he'll be paid well. Also he'll get a shot of winning stuff with Sarries 😆
If Halfpenny resigns for Toulon, will Wales be forced to rethink they're approach to overseas players? It's not stopping players leaving the regions.
Roko has been dropped from the England squad for Saturday. Looks like butchering that try by not passing to Daly has cost him. May back in. Harrison and Wood to battle it out for the seven jersey.
If 1/2p stays its between Roberts,North,Faletau,1/2p,Priestland and Williams for 3 places I think.
Or sack Gatland and get rid of "his" rule
Surely he'll rethink it if key players still piss off and play elsewhere?
I dont 5hink it really is Gatlands idea hence the ""
Definitely think Roko is unlucky to miss out to allow a centre to play wing. I don't always agree with Jones selections, but you can't argue with their effectiveness. Maybe he really does see Daly as a potential world class winger?
Fantastic player though he is, I can see why Roko has been dropped.
He made two searing breaks against Fiji but nothing came directly from either because at no point did he look around for any support but just died with the ball.
I guess EJ wants smarter footballers and Daly certainly fits the bill. It's similar to how the ABs put Israel Dagg on the wing because, although he's not good enough to get in at fullback, his all round ability has made him pretty useful at 14.
It's interesting to see how many international sides operate with more than one fullback in the back three. Out and out wingers seem less in favour than guys with a better all round game.
Dagg and Smith are pretty exceptional though. As fast as wingers. NZ look a bit dodgy in defence with both Savea and Naholo on the wings.
I like Daly. I think he's got a bright future but wonder if his versatility will hamper him future down the line.
He's got some gas too; the try he scored against Lesinter last season was brilliant. Plus he's got a huge boot. He seems like a very intelligent player. Roko did some great stuff but butchered a try by not passing and was a bit suspect defensively.
For some reason I've got in my head that the Aussies under EJ used to swap centres with wingers. Don't ask me specifics though.... I think he does want better all round players on the wings (hence that Exeter bloke) as opposed to out and out gas, but that doesn't explain May...
Anyway, he seems to know what he's doing, I reckon he'll do alright with the selection.
Interesting on the centres as well - Farrell, Daily, Joseph, Slade, Arm guard man and Manu coming back for Leicester this weekend - how has that happened after all these years without any?
For some reason I've got in my head that the Aussies under EJ used to swap centres with wingers.
Aus have for a long time just picked the best players and then put them in positions.
Sweet jesus that must have been sore!!!
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Jesus! That must be bloody sore.
3 week ban for Callum Clark 😯 given his previous he should count himself very very lucky.
Horwell was a bloody warrior! He tried to get it 're located' on the pitch to carry on! I feel it was a little beyond that.....
Callum Clark 3 weeks is very lucky. OK this one was not so bad as others (Hawkins arm) however there has to be a stage where you say 'I don't want that psycho on the pitch with me' surely?
The backlash from the Irish press/radio media in response to the All Blacks' high hits is huge, were they any different to what is seen in at least one high level game of rugby per week worldwide? Are NZ any worse than any other team at this? The 'whinging' coming from the media here is starting to grate given the Irish reliance on the high choke tackle. Has this high hit only come into the game since the influx of league defence coaches? I'm not excusing the Fekitoa one which was very bad by the way.
I'm much more concerned about the likes of Calum Clark type incidents where a player has deliberately gone out to injure and remove a guy from the game.
Given that the irish are also moaning like bitches about Barrets try being given when Sexton was trying to pull his head off I am inclined to think **** em!! Should have been a pen try and yellow card.
I was talking about the Clark incident with a mate yesterday, his question is why hasn't someone battered him on the pitch? Is he some psycho (evidence leans that way) that people are scared of?
The Irish bleating is a bit beneath them.
The Irish press do seem to have forgotten about Sexton's challenge!
Clark is very lucky to only the three weeks given his previous form - plenty don't think he should be playing at all after the Hawkins incident.
Are NZ any worse than any other team at this?
Almost certainly not, but they do seem to get an easier ride from officials.
Too many cheap shots, such as Hore on Bradley Davies, detract from their lovely rugby. They don't [i]need[/i] to be violent and thuggish, they just choose to.
Clark is a bawbag, end of.
Clark is a bawbag, end of.
One of the rare occasions when everyone on the thread agrees, I'd imagine.
why hasn't someone battered him on the pitch?
Very few players want to risk a long ban these days. I doubt he would try that shit with the likes of Cudmore and going back even further someone like Buck Shelford would have properly sorted him out..just doesnt happen these days.
Article on Beeb about Jones talking up Daley as the next Jason Robinson 😯
Ends with this...wtf is he on about? Put the crack pipe down Eddie
Jones added: "Elliot has become a lot more serious about his rugby. He's been blessed with talent. He's a public schoolboy, holds up the trophy, has beautiful manicured hair."
I came on to post just that comment - great line by Eddie 😆
Not sure he's the 'next Jason Robinson' though - I thought that was Wade?
Sure some in Irish Media are bleating although most also mention Sexton could have gone to the bin for his tackle attempt on BB and Trimble should have gone to the bin for a deliberate knock on. Every commentator said the best team won. Citing commissioners said the tackle on Zebo should have been red. A Stat quoted in the press from the Rugby Championship by Australian Matt Williams which may or may not be true.
For every 11 penalties South Africa gave away they got a yellow card.
For every 12 penalties Australia gave away they got a yellow card.
For every 43 penalties New Zealand gave away they got a yellow card.
Ospreys put it to Glasgow
All the best teams need a very hard edge. You can't dominate world rugby with 15 super chaps. You need a bit of mongrel too.
The Irish are whinging because they suddenly find themselves supping at the top table and now feel they have something to lose rather than being plucky underdogs. I think I preferred the latter incarnation.
Not sure he's the 'next Jason Robinson' though - I thought that was Wade?
I thought it was Anthony Watson?
Daly would make a great fullback in the Ben Smith mould. Except with better hair.
Haven't got time for three matches today
So easy choice with the early matches, but which one of the latter two. Tough call.
Did someone put onions in the Argie changing room?
I will watch the French game but I imagine it will be carnage.
Interesting comment (marketing 😉 ) from Woodward today, given how poor RSA are (losing to Italy) today will be England's biggest test.
Go Georgia!
Not the best start fron Jason Robinson II. At least his hair looked good as he trudged off!!
🙂
How was his fake tan? You must be enjoying watching Brown's break!!!
tough call that. If you want the chaser to take responsibility for their action and the safety of their opponent, the outcome is secondary. Can see not red but the action was the same so surely has to be yellow.
Game of rugby expected soon
Still despite scrappy play 9:0
Law may be an ass, but IT IS the law so can't complain about the two high tackle decisions.
Will be a good test test now
Ref got both decisions bang on IMO. I thought he would yellow the argie but he resisted it..the other one with the knock on got what he deserved though. Ref has been good.
not covering himself in glory with these scrums mind!
The ref was correct, but the law is an ass.
The offences weren't comparable, but it should still have been a yellow for the argentinian. It wasn't even borderline.
The Argie one the guy ran into the jumper Daly properly tackled his man.
Check out the Leinster red from last night if you think this one was overly harsh.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38076305
Had May tucked his leg instead of landing on it (which is easily done) he'd likely have been looking at a red.
Regardless, if eng don't sort their scrum out, the red will be irrelevant.
I'm a bit annoyed as its the first time I've sat down to watch England in a while and reds ruin games.
The tackles were almost identical, but the outcomes very different. No intent in either. If you are going to purely penalise on the outcome, people will be intentionally falling on heads to play for a red. Sadly.
[i]people will be intentionally falling on heads to play for a red. [/i]
Not sure if that's even possible.
people will be intentionally falling on heads to play for a red
I've seen some shite written on here over the years but this is as stupid as anything
Not sure about England today. I appreciate they've lost players but they've not looked a good team. Harrison isn't a good sub and wil probably be replaced. Sinckler and George making a good impact, Lawes and Kruis good.
I'm not a May fan, but he's doing well. I'm not a Ford fan either but with Farrel at 12 it works.
I think you are being harsh. Soundly beating Argentina with 14 men all game is a huge performance
Why can't Wendy boys accept decisions in the same way?
Agreed with AA. Not bad result off 14 men
I like the Argie 15
England played poorly. Ford was crap, Harrison is turd, Farrell left loads of points out there, May generally good but is easily manipulated. Wood needs to put his bulk back on. Whole team very poor in defence, they got tore apart so many times.
Robshaw was immense again. First name on my england and lions teamsheet. Best blindside in the NH but some distance.
The arg loosehead was hinging badly and that 14 is a filthy player.
I certainly wouldnt say he is a distance better than CJ Stander
AA - putting my point over badly, but once we start basing a decision on how a player lands rather than the tackle made, we are opening the door to the simulation aspect which is rife in football.
The law has been this way for ages, can you point me at 1 time you think someone in the air has tried to land on his head?
I agree with Wrecker.
NZ or Aus would have beaten us today. The defining game is next week - assuming no Billy V I'm guessing Morgan will be called up in lieu of Harrison. I do think Daly adds a threat to the team though and was missed. Agree re Wood. He looks spindly and easily pushed around. Our bench is good, and made a big difference.
EJ spinning it up 😀