[Closed] Robin van Persie to Man U!

Surely Berbatov will be on his way out now?

Hence the asterisk.

excellent. All this expenditure will hasten the day they go bankrupt, and vanish into a vile pit of narcissism.

Oh ffs. He could have at least moved abroad 🙁

Good move for RVP & Man Utd

Another bad day for Arsenal

nice way to see out his career on the MU bench.

Feel sorry for Danny Wellbeck. This should be the season he becomes a regular for Man U and England.

That's a pretty good strike force: Rooney, RVP, Hernandez, Welbeck and Berbatov*.

Plus [url= http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7992600/Henrique-eyes-United-success ]the new Chilean fella[/url] who'll probably end up out on loan.

Rooney and RVP may well be first choice in most games (fitness prevailing) but Welbs and Hernandez will still have a role to play. Berbatoss et al probably won't get much of a look-in outside of the CC.

He had one great season at Arsenal, when the whole team was playing to feed him, I don't think he will repeat it. Utd overpaid for him just to prove the owners will spend money. He is good, but I don't think he is that good, 29 years old and only one great season, odds are against a repeat.

Yeah, but if we get 20 goals a season out of him for 3 years then it'll be decent enough business IMO. None of us are expecting another 30+ seasong.

He had one great season at Arsenal, when the whole team was playing to feed him, I don't think he will repeat it. Utd overpaid for him just to prove the owners will spend money. He is good, but I don't think he is that good, 29 years old and only one great season, odds are against a repeat.

Yeah, but if we get 20 goals a season out of him for 3 years then it'll be decent enough business IMO. None of us are expecting another 30+ seasong.

3yrs at 20 goals a year = 60 goals
£220K pw wage (aparently to match Rooney)
£24M transfer fee.
Say £8M transfer fee back in the coffers in 3 years as a 32yr old.

That's £970K per goal (plus any insurance your have to pay for a player's health etc, not sure...)

Does that not seem simply unreal amounts of cash? Not RVP specifically but in comparison to what we have been watching at the Olympics over the last couple of week.

But the fee is allegedly based on £15m up front plus performance-related add-ons. So if he does average say 20 goals a season and we win 2 PLs then IMO his purchase will have made a significant contribution. It won't matter if the total fee ramps up along with mega wages. Job done as far as on-field performance is concerned.

All hypothetical of course ...

Yeah, but if we get 20 goals a season out of him for 3 years then it'll be decent enough business IMO. None of us are expecting another 30+ seasong.
3yrs at 20 goals a year = 60 goals
£220K pw wage (aparently to match Rooney)
£24M transfer fee.
Say £8M transfer fee back in the coffers in 3 years as a 32yr old.

That's £970K per goal (plus any insurance your have to pay for a player's health etc, not sure...)

Does that not seem simply unreal amounts of cash? Not RVP specifically but in comparison to what we have been watching at the Olympics over the last couple of week.

But if his goals mean success in champions league,prem, etc these figures are peanuts

 

Remember, Vidic is back, Kagawa is quality (well, in the Bundesliga anyway) and DDG has another year under his belt. Sure, we're still missing a DM but I think SAF is entrusting Carrick/Cleverley to handle that side of things, with Kagawa/Scholes playing further up.

But if his goals mean success in champions league,prem, etc these figures are peanuts

I'm sure you are right - just scarey that a sport can get itself into a situation where that amount of cash is sloshing around. I'd hate to think what would happen if you did the sums on Ronaldo. Actually scarier in a per goal calulation to do it on Torres or Carroll!

What inspired me to do the sums is remembering that the entire world beating British Cycling Olympic project is built on a grant of £24M.

and we win 2 PLs then IMO his purchase will have made a significant contribution.

Surely you mean they unless you play for them ?

They can have him! Now they'll be paying his wages when he gets an injury before the end of September and is out for the rest of the season. One full season we got from him, in the 8 or 9 he was here. Did you know that the 'van' bit of his name is Dutch for 'Michael Owen'?

They can have him! Now they'll be paying his wages when he gets an injury before the end of September and is out for the rest of the season. One full season we got from him, in the 8 or 9 he was here. Did you know that the 'van' bit of his name is Dutch for 'Michael Owen'?

Yep, he is being bought on the back of just one season and sod's law says he'll spend X months out injured in his first season. But that's the gamble. Probably even more likely given the number of 'innocuous' training injuries we have compared to most other clubs.

'innocuous' training injuries we have compared to most other clubs.

Thats all the boots Fergie throws at errant players

Yes I am bitter but not for the reasons you give. The club looked after him through thick and thin, including his jail time (false rape charge) when others would have cast him aside. And he repays this with a complete lack of loyalty. I s'pose that's modern football for you

It's a pretty good forward line, City will still win the league though, Tevez and Aguero still edge it for me.

He is with out doubt a gamble, given his injury history, but to say he has been bought on the back of last season is ridiculous?

This move surprised me, he'll go from not winning trophies at Arsenal to not winning trophies at Man U. Should've gone abroad.

Tevez and Aguero still edge it for me

Until Tevez finds something else to throw his toys out of the pram over.

. The club looked after him through thick and thin, including his jail time (false rape charge) when others would have cast him aside. And he repays this with a complete lack of loyalty. I s'pose that's modern football for you

That doesn't make sense, he could of walked away in a years time (out of contract) and Arsenal would have got nothing (they paid 2.75M for him). At least this way Wenger's got some cash and he(or his scouts)has/have a knack of identifying young talent with bags of potential.

firstly, i am an arsenal fan.

Fair play to rvp, he's served arsenal well. For a player with 1 season left it's a fair price. If he wins man u a title, fair play. It'll be money well spent. If he flops, like a lot of arsenal explayers, it'll be great business for arsene, only time will tell. Better them than those gold digging bastards across the city (i hope they do a blackburn).

One thing will happen though, we will have someone who performs just as well. So, we wont miss him.

That doesn't make sense, he could of walked away in a years time (out of contract)

or he could[b]'ve[/b] extended his contract for a few years and retired at the club. Oh, but only no-hopers do that. Like Dennis Bergkamp 😐

Obviously they have had to up their fire power now that the mighty hammers are back.

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One thing will happen though, we will have someone who performs just as well. So, we wont miss him.

Who in the squad is going to get 30 goals and 9 assists in 37 games?

Once again a brilliant bit of business by Wenger . Gets a the best years out of a player then sells them for a huge profit when they are past their peak . Same story as Henry , Vierra , Anelka etc .

Who in the squad is going to get 30 goals and 9 assists in 37 games?

Last season they had to base the squad around him, that is too risky a strategy to continue for another season, with the other strikers and players coming into Arsenal, last season would not have been repeated, nor will it be at United.

IMO it's a risky bit of business by Fergi, he may get the 20+ goals that the United fans are hoping for, but it is equally as likely that not being the sole spearhead for the team he gets a lot less.

Once again a brilliant bit of business by Wenger . Gets a the best years out of a player then sells them for a huge profit when they are past their peak . Same story as Henry , Vierra , Anelka etc .

Maybe at Man Utd RVP won't be under pressure to play every game like he was at Arsenal. In which case he may not pick as many injuries therefore potentially increasing his influence over the games he does play in?

Hope this still leaves room for Nick Powell somewhere?

If he stays fit, he's proven to be a top premiership striker, like Rooney.
Actually, very like Rooney - The runs he makes, where he likes to pick up the ball, the passes , the goals he scores.
Maybe the better partnership will have Wellbeck or Hernandez playing?
Maybe Rooney's off to City? 😉

Some of our squad will no doubt be playing in the new 21s league at the weekends while Kagawa and RvP/Rooney lead our line for the senior team.

Lolz @ arsenal fans

If he stays fit, he's proven to be a top premiership striker, like Rooney.
Actually, very like Rooney - The runs he makes, where he likes to pick up the ball, the passes , the goals he scores.

How many seasons has he scored more than 10 goals how many more than 20? he's nowhere near the standard of Rooney.

Once again a brilliant bit of business by Wenger . Gets a the best years out of a player then sells them for a huge profit when they are past their peak . Same story as Henry , Vierra , Anelka etc .

+ Nasri,Fabrigas

Sure, he might be great at turning a profit but what has he helped Arsenal win since 2005?

How many seasons has he scored more than 10 goals how many more than 20? he's nowhere near the standard of Rooney

I'm an Arsenal fan. He will be missed at Arsenal, anyone who says different has been watching a different team this past year, we have been toothless without him.
Hopefully return the likes of Wilshere, return to form of Ramsay et al, and the new blood coming in can step up. They are big shoes to fill though.

It is true that Arsenal only really got one great season out of him. The only one in which he wasn't injury hit. I'd say he is a player at his peak, not past it as some are claiming.
If we really got £24M for him then I'd say that is a good bit of business given the inevitability of him leaving. But I'd prefer not to see him lining up against us in the Prem, would have much preferred it if we could have off-loaded him abroad.

I fear a further exodus (Song to Barcelona is being bigged up in the press) and the chances of any kind of championship challenge (what little hoep of that there was!) going out the window, probably along with top 4 status. The club is in decline and it is sad to see.

I am disappoint.

Still, at least Spurs are more ****ed than we are. 😉

How many seasons has he scored more than 10 goals how many more than 20? he's nowhere near the standard of Rooney.

fair enough. £24mill for a bench-warmer?
Or has a big club already come in for Rooney?

More than 10 goals, 7 out of the 8 seasons he was at Arsenal and 3 of those 20+ .
Rvp 132 goals in 277 apps
Rooney 182 goals in 366 apps
Yeah nowhere near

only 5 seasons more than 10, only 2 more than 20

Rooney, lowest he ever scored while playing for United is 16

http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/players/robin-van-persie/stats

RVP: 132/277 = 0.48 goals per game
Rooney: 182/366 = 0.50 goals per game
(rounded to 2dp)

How many seasons has he scored more than 10 goals how many more than 20? he's nowhere near the standard of Rooney.

+ he's at a better club now

it's a win/win situation.

Arsenal do great business for themselves (again) selling on a player whom has peaked/ is peaking for bundles more than they paid.

United get a proven goalscorer, bundles of shirt sales (that should offload a big chunk of the transfer fee), and very potentially a match winner for several years.

The way I see it, Fergie has won more than any manager, he seems to know a thing or two. I reckon he wouldnt have splashed out on RVP if he wasnt confident of a decent return.

It certainly adds a fresh buzz to the new season

Anyway, manu have already made their biggest signing this summer extending this fella's contract:

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Lets not hear that the Gunners are in decline.......its just not true!

The simple fact is that the money men have upset the balance of power, putting no hopers like Chelsea and man City in the mix. To take on them plus Manure, is a battle we'll never win unless we embrace the same culture. Do we really want to 'buy' our trophys like them.....I don't! Much rather stick with the soul of our club intact and when we eventually do win something.....we'll f......g well deserve it!

As for RVP, sad... but possibly got the best out of him just in time. He single handedly kept us in the CL places last season, but by the time the Euros came round....his spark had expired. A gamble for Fergie IMHO.

when we eventually do win something

*hold's breath*

Did I imagine the £44m Arsenal have spent so far this year? +53m last year? (£385m in last 8 seasons)

Won as much as manu last year 😉

There's no point in quoting how much we spent on players, if you don't quote how much we made selling them.......is there???

Not only do we run the club as a successful business which ensures out long term survival, but weve also born the massive brunt of the costs of an amazing new stadium.

So, whilst we might not have won anything for a while, weve regularly watched CL footie in the best stadium in the country.....something many non Arsenal fans would be delighted to be doing!

The simple fact is that the money men have upset the balance of power, putting no hopers like Chelsea and man City in the mix. To take on them plus Manure, is a battle we'll never win unless we embrace the same culture. Do we really want to 'buy' our trophys like them.....I don't! Much rather stick with the soul of our club intact and when we eventually do win something.....we'll f......g well deserve it!

Despite the fact that it must be unpleasant for Arsenal fans i think they have the better deal.
One year left on his contract aged 29, dodgy health/appearance record, mixed seasons for 5 years and one stormer. I think they have got phenomenal value tbh for what they had. £10 million was good value IMHO ever mind this.

Man U may have panic bought to show intent IMHO as they need a midfielder much more than a striker.
bit ambivalent tbh as a man U fan would rather have a world class central midfielder and ditch some of the mediocre ones we have [ all of them tbh]

weve regularly watched CL footie in the best stadium in the country

Kagawa has all the attributes to be a world class midfielder, he has a great record in both the J league and Bundesliga. Valencia was in great form last season. Young and Nani are both top players if a bit light when getting tackled. Giggs and Scholes seem to go on forever. Carrick is dependable as is fletcher when fit.

When you've watched Arsenal through the 1974-77 seasons, which was when I started going, they didn't get above 8th place in the league.

People think success lasts forever, but even the Mighty Man Utd were relegated during that era. We'll be back....hopefully at the top and not the bottom! 😯