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So there are reports of a flurry of letters going in to the 1928 committee.
They actually are bat shit enough to get a new PM in before the GE aren't they? I suppose he could call their bluff and call a snap GE?
They are officially a death cult now. 🙃
my guess is their internal polling has them between a rock and a hard place..... very safe seats are under threat from being out flanked from reform on the right and tactical voting on the left. there must be a cut off for the reform vote probably around 10-11% where they become vunerable to tactical voting especially in the west country. There is no other explanation for the wanton abandoning of the center ground.
They actually are bat shit enough to get a new PM in before the GE aren’t they?
Worryingly, yes.
New PM, hope for a bounce back and then the new PM can take them into an election in spring or autumn next year.
Promising that they're the party for change on one hand but stability on the other.
Because irony is as dead as the pile of cats.
It really depends on their nerve, Poor old Gordon should have gone to the country the moment his arse hit the chair behind the pm's desk (and this nightmare 15 yrs might have been just a bad dream) but alas no. 😕 though they won't cos I can't see their being any noticeable bounce now.... there's only foul smelling tepid air in the balloon.
Suank at PMQs... “there is no incremental money”
💷
From Klunk's link... "The scheme will cost even more when it gets under way, with £169,000 due to be spent on deporting each migrant."
Tory Party eating their young again.
TBH probably cheaper to put each migrant on an ‘around the world’ cruise 🙂
And those are additional costs, above and beyond the quarter of a million quid (or whatever the real figure is so far, they haven't been clear yet, see Klunk's link) that's to be spent no matter how many people are involved (still very likely to be zero indefinitely).
........and we will pay Rwanda 12k/yr for each migrant in costs.........
TBH probably cheaper to put each migrant on an ‘around the world’ cruise 🙂
It's long been the case that it'd be much much cheaper to give them a decent hotel and let them do some basic work under supervision/observation.
But that doesn't play well to the racist scum who would see rather the country drag them through hell and high water in order to prove themselves "worthy".
And yeah, that barge is costing considerably more than a nice cruise ship. I'm sure that somewhere along the line, there's a Tory donor or three doing very nicely out of it all thank you very much.
the human equivalent of a tourist billboard reading: “There’s more to Rwanda than the genocide!”
I shouldn't laugh ****ing ouch!!!! 😕
Channel 4 news are reporting that all Tory MPs have been personally contacted by the whips and also directly by number ten.
Lil Rishi is obviously bricking it that he’s going to lose his Rwanda vote on Tuesday. Sounds like a lot of threats are being thrown around
Serves the daft sod right for effectively making it a VONC with his hissy fit press conference yesterday, given his present dismal, sub-Truss approval ratings
He’s got the Covid inquiry on Monday. That’s a fun start to the week for him. Maybe he’ll resign on Wednesday?
Are we weeks away from watching Suella standing waving as she’s walks into number ten?
*shudders*
Fun looking week in the diary for Sunak.
Monday: get ****ing slaughtered by the Covid inquiry.
Tuesday: lose the Rwanda vote
Wednesday: get ****ing slaughtered at PMQ by Starmer
Thursday: ..... 🤷🏻♂️
Are we weeks away from watching Suella standing waving as she’s walks into number ten?
Wont happen for two reasons - firstly it’s never the front runner, and secondly it would have to be someone who ‘can command the confidence of the house’ which I suspect she’ll struggle to do.
Wont happen for two reasons – firstly it’s never the front runner
Indeed. The bookies have Kemi Badanoch as favourite, then Penny Mordaunt, then Cleverley, then Cruella
and secondly it would have to be someone who ‘can command the confidence of the house
2 words: Liz Truss
I reckon Cruella is nailed on. The present Tory party, MPs and membership, are actually that mental. She knows it too
Seriously Rishi - call a GE.
Lose.
**** off to the US with your Green Card and your nailed-on, well-paid job cuddling up to all the tech bro billionaires in California.
Why do you actually want to stand in HoC very week and look like a tit?
You have enough money for 10 lifetimes, you don't need a PM salary, even if it does come with a couple of nice houses and all the expenses.
A lot of calculation for wannabe tory leaders right now, they surely know that whoever becomes PM has a fair chance of losing the next GE and being booted out straight after
polling is so bad that just keeping their seats may require some political limbo dancing around various issues
TBH I just saw Rishi banging on about how he got the crossings down by a third, then I thought hmm the amount of crossings are likely to to be conditional on the sea anyway.
I reckon Cruella is nailed on. The present Tory party, MPs and membership, are actually that mental. She knows it too.
TBH they know they are doomed at the next election so may as well be ‘on a hoper’ and go full on with the migrant rhetoric and get rid of those pesky EU human rights and perhaps bring the army in to stop the boats.
go full on with the migrant rhetoric and get rid of those pesky EU human rights and perhaps bring the army in to stop the boats.
I'm fairly sure they suggested using the Navy at one point and the Navy said in no uncertain terms that they were not prepared to do anything of the sort.
I think firing warning shots across the bows of half-sunken dinghies loaded with poor desperate unarmed civilians is not something that goes down too well in war crimes tribunals...
Pesky human rights getting in the way again.
Glad to hear on the news this am that MPs have decided to arrange spacial help for those that lose their seats.extra help with cv writing job applications etc possibly with specific funding too they seem to know the game is up it’s not funny anymore watching the bit of a mess go on and on
I just saw Rishi banging on about how he got the crossings down by a third
But there are 5 times as many now than there were when he entered government. And the “problem” didn’t exist when he entered parliament and the Tories took full control of the country.
It’s like an arsonist from a family of arsonists wanting praise for putting out a little bit of the fire they lit and enjoy watching burn. They know there are others who love the spectacle of the burning as well, the glow in their eyes is what they’re after. Can’t put the fire out completely too soon… got to keep it burning for a good while yet, and keep those eyes entranced.
Glad to hear on the news this am that MPs have decided to arrange spacial help for those that lose their seats.extra help with cv writing job applications etc
Special needs tutoring for Gullis and his ilk?
Shame they didn't give dorries some guidance on writing before she unleashed all those horrors on the world
I watched the Rishi interrogation. All he kept repeating also was how migration had quickly and uncontrollably increased over the last few years, omitting "..during a Tory government." for the dumb people who cant hear the not spoken words.
Glad to hear on the news this am that MPs have decided to arrange spacial help for those that lose their seats.extra help with cv writing job applications etc possibly with specific funding too
Surely that's what Universal Credit and the excellent JobCentre system is for?
After all it's been carefully curated during the time of the Tories - look after the most vulnerable and all that... 😉
I think they should nip off to the JobCentre and then have to accept whatever minimum wage shelf-stacker role comes along. After all they're very keen to tell us that we just need to work harder, we should be honoured to be in work, every job counts.
And obviously they'll have to go back there every week with their list of commitments completed. Wouldn't want them sanctioned for failing to do these basic tasks.
I think it'd be quite an eye-opener for many of them, the real world outside their carefully presented little bubble. Bet it'll be a shock at the food bank - none of your heavily subsidised parliamentary privilege meals and cheap booze, you get half a kilo of potatoes and need to make that last a week.
Glad to hear on the news this am that MPs have decided to arrange spacial help for those that lose their seats.extra help with cv writing job applications etc possibly with specific funding too they seem to know the game is up it’s not funny anymore watching the bit of a mess go on and on
They already get a sizeable payment on leaving to help with wind down costs to shut their MP office, think it's around £14k, plus they get paid for another 3 months afterwards too. This is just them feathering their own nests after they've lost their job.
Now that the 'star chamber' of Tory idiots has unsurprisingly declared Sunak's rwanda plan unworkable
thet can get on with the actual business of plotting his replacement
https://twitter.com/emilysheffield/status/1733416653033963889?t=3M3liEcMvoZaHyI6uoKGRA&s=19
I presumed that Honest Bob had made a pact with Cruella with him as Gove to her Boris.
Looks like that arrangement has gone the same way already
Rats in a sack
Good job there’s nothing important going on that might take priority
A piece by the Beeb on the exquisite* position the PM has put himself in and a view from inside the actual party about how utterly fragmented they are.
You basically have 4 tribes at war in the party...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67670625
* Exquisite unless you give a shit about the country or are a refugee of course.
I actually got a Christmas card this year from the local Lib Dems - never, ever had anything other than the occasional propaganda leaflet from the Tories. Come the next GE, it’s going to be very interesting to see what happens, Chippenham has been a safe Tory seat for decades, right back to the 1920’s, if not earlier, but the Lib Dems are gradually becoming a significant challenge to them now.
Interesting views from Bercow on the tory party and it's recent run of leaders on the Newsagents Podcast.
I reckon Cruella is nailed on. The present Tory party, MPs and membership, are actually that mental.
<full cynic> Maybe this will be to ensure that The Party never has a PoC as leader ever again. Make it so that it is such a failure that they never again nominate a PoC as leader "after all look what the last ones did"</ full cynic>.
so if Sunak loses the vote is it leadership contest time?
are they really that mad?
ive got an idea...
350 Tory MPs
if they drag it out & hold a GE start of December next year
Then they each* get to be PM for a day!
Who knows one of them might even turn out to not be a raging lunatic** !
*not Truss she's not allowed near Downing St again
**Truss has already failed that test
Just in case anyone doesnt think it could get any worse for the country...
Desperate thrashing from the 'Bring back Johnson and Farage' crowd. Normally you'd say, that's crazy, they won't do that, but hey... plus Charlie would have to agree to ennoble both of them immediately though, which would probably make him bring back up his Duchy Original oatcakes.
So would a change in leader be good for the ordinary UK person because it would impede the ability of Tories to mess things up OR would it be better for an ordinary UK person if Sunak continued because the Tories have an incredible ability to mess things up in a short period of time esp when they are showing off (remember the Lettuce)?
It's a dilemma...
Unbelievable to think that before potential votes of no confidence, leadership elections, a do-or-die vote on a daft policy he's decided to make a defining one, Lil Rishi has got the small matter of the covid inquiry today.
I'm sure they'll have plenty of questions for him, not least why the 'Eat Out To Help The Virus' scheme was launched without any consultation with any medical experts? Obviously we all know the answer already: because they'd say that it was an insane idea and not to go ahead with it. I'm pretty sure what we'll see today is that the economy was of far more importance to Rish than peoples lives
I’m pretty sure what we’ll see today is that the economy was of far more importance to [s]Rish[/s] Tories than peoples lives
FTFY.
Amazing that for something they care about so much, they still have this incredible ability to **** it sideways every time they're in power.
Obviously we all know the answer already: because they’d say that it was an insane idea and not to go ahead with it. I’m pretty sure what we’ll see today is that the economy was of far more importance to Rish than peoples lives
It may of had a marginal to no effect :/
oooo internet weirdness 🙂
From a personal point of view, theres one thing I want to see him grilled on today.
I and 3.5 million other freelancers would like to know why we were classed as neither employed or self-employed, thus not eligible for a penny in government support during the lockdowns
Again: we all already know the answer to this. Because its the employment model predominantly used in the creative industries, where people don't generally support Brexit or vote Tory, so we were hung out to dry as punishment for this.
As for the Boris/Farage double act.... The suggestion was parachuting Boris into Wellingborough 😀 perfect place for a flytipped sofa but I can't see Boris going for that (or Sunak not exercising his veto). Also don't think it's safe enough in the current climate for Farage to risk it not with his record on failed election attempts!
It may of had a marginal to no effect :/
It was pointless. Stimulating demand was a completely back to front way of looking at it. Support should have been given to the sector without being tied to customer turn out for eat in meals. Loosening of restrictions was enough for people to return to places that had outdoor spaces etc, or turn up for takeaways.
He doesn’t look happy.
He's a thin-skinned dweeb who's only happy when giving a PowerPoint presentation on how wonderful he is to people who believe he is wonderful in the first place.
Johnson had to work very hard to stay mostly in control of his emotions, no doubt based on the weeks of briefings he had in advance of his time in front of the inquiry, I'm not sure Sunak will have quite the same control.
He doesn’t look happy.
He's an entitled little prince who considers it an absolute affront that he should ever have to justify himself to anyone.
His opening attempt at empathy was about as convincing as Johnson and his attempt to get us to believe that a 'Tech Bro' like himself couldn't fathom why he lost his Whatsapp messages is just laughable. He obviously deliberately deleted them
his attempt to get us to believe that a ‘Tech Bro’ like himself couldn’t fathom why he lost his Whatsapp messages is just laughable.
The Tories are the only people in history able to lose WhatsApp messages.
It's like an extra layer of encryption on top of WhatsApp's own.
Ah yes, the Tory Encryption. Gone forever.
Next time Boris goes on about losing his or forgetting his password or whatever drivel he comes up with, I really want the journo to ask about all the IT lessons he had from Jennifer Arcuri. Play it nice and innocent.
The Tories are the only people in history able to lose WhatsApp messages.
If you only have it set to backup occasionally and you change phones then it is feasible if you dont run a manual backup first.
Why would you set it to back up less frequently? Especially in the context of using it as a means of communication in your role as a cabinet minister.
Empty words do not constitute an apology.
Yet more disappearing text and what's app messages; it's completely beyond belief.
Just as well the enquiry has access to messages received by other parties so here's hoping they are used to give sunak problems.
How do they get away with the blatant lies regarding Whatsapp messages?
You can change your number, never mind your phone and still transfer your account.
They'll all have been well aware that government business shouldn't have been conducted via Whatsapp.
They don't care.
They'll all still be doing it. More so now that they now that they'll be able to tell any future inquiry 'sorry all my messages have gone missing and no, I've no idea how that happened' and that'll just be accepted as an actual real world scenario as opposed to a load of made-up bollocks
I don't recall......except when he says "I vividly recall" with his associated hand flourishes - a body language expert would have a field day with this lying slimy ****er
The only idea they haven't floated is Frankenthatcher that's about the only thing that is more mental than some of the ideas. I suppose they could see what Mark or Carol are doing for now
In the meantime, the Tory 'Star Chamber' has just made its thoughts known on Rishi's Rwanda plan, through its chairman...
*checks notes*
.. Mark Francois
FFS! Its all the ERG nutters holding the country to ransom again over their latest right-wing stupidity 🙄
thin-skinned dweeb who’s only happy when giving a PowerPoint presentation
I enjoyed his pronunciation of QALY trying to wrong foot the barrister "Manchester University's kway-lee analysis"
.. Mark Francois
Every time I see a photo of him, my very first thought is still how much he looks like Penfold. I really do expect him to speak with Terry Scott's voice.
LOL, so it's too soft for the right wing loonies in the party and too right wing for the one nation Tories, if we're not heading into either another leadership contest or the announcement of a GE by the end of the week I'll be surprised.
After the multiple references to sunak's Spectator interview, here's what Fraser Nelson who did the interview has said this evening... https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-sunak-really-said-about-lockdown/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=CampaignMonitor_Editorial&utm_campaign=BLND%20%2020231211%20%20House%20Ads%20%20IH+CID_18e4e5ef6d1962b00736af2922d54320
Also from the Spectator which is usually supportive of tories...
the first was that the Prime Minister couldn’t recall the details of an awful lot of meetings and emails from the pandemic
What a horrible read. What a soulless man.
What a soulless man.
He simply has no clue (and cannot even begin to comprehend) what it is like to live without several million quid in the bank.
I'm sure that if someone told him that members of the public travel to work by bike or by bus, he'd be utterly bewildered. You mean... they don't have a helicopter? or a private car and chauffeur?!
He is simply not able to imagine such a world.
And that showed in the inquiry. He "gets" business (or at least, the making money part of it). The rest is just totally alien to him.
The man who has a 1 - 1 with Elon Musk during an AI & Tech conference can't transfer what's app messages from one phone to another and doesn't appear to understand the concept of back-up.
Well I never.
His responses demonstrate clearly that our 'tech bro' PM places no value or worth on life; a walking example of someone who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing.
The full quote is 'A fool is someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing' - Oscar Wilde.
It is fully applicable to sunak.
He’s a walking spreadsheet. Totally devoid of even the slightest shred of compassion, empathy or humanity, which is why he’s risen to the top of the Tory party.
To him everything and everyone are just numbers on a balance sheet, to be weighed up and discarded according to the figure below the line. Any emotion he attempts to display is just performative, something he learnt about how human beings are supposed to react
I think you can look at anyone in the present cabinet and correctly label them as sociopaths, but Rishi’s cold, unfeeling heartlessness puts him into the realms of the psychopath. He just looks dead inside, like he actually ‘feels’ absolutely nothing at all
What a horrible read. What a soulless man.
For wanting to challenge and ask for "bean counter" analysis, or for not documenting he had challenged it to protect his arse?
Slightly playing Devils Advocate, because I think he's a useless, spineless shit, but governments must be able to ask and face difficult life and death questions about their citizens - if we drop these atom bombs and kill 300,000 civilians will it prevent the deaths of 3 times that number? If we spend £100,000 a year to keep one person alive, would that be "better spent" giving 10 people new hips to improve their quality of life? If we lockdown and save 400,000 lives and cost £400bn or whatever it was, is that better than not locking down, losing all those people and "only" only costing £100bn?
Now I'd be very worried about the moral angle that a Tory chancellor or The Spectator may have for asking the questions, but I'd expect them to be asked and the answers researched to the best available knowledge at the time and documented.
Now I’d be very worried about the moral angle that a Tory chancellor or The Spectator may have for asking the questions, but I’d expect them to be asked and the answers researched to the best available knowledge at the time and documented.
I actually agree with you - except that Rishi was only doing half of that. The worrying about the bottom line part.
The "lives lost" part is meaningless to him. He would have taken the cheapest option whether it was one life or a million.
And the idea that anything should be researched and documented was probably not meaningless, it was something to be actively avoided!
MCTD - sunak and johnson both said, under oath, it was their responsibility to save lives.
I have no problem with the application of cost-benefit analysis in most settings but, in the context of a pandemic, it is morally reprehensible.
Using a quality-adjusted life year tool to determine which lives deserve treatment and investment to save would be singularly inappropriate in a pandemic where the death count is being measured in hundreds of thousands; the result would be bodies being piled high, mortuaries unable to cope, crematoria running night and day.
Consider the prospect of multiple doctors saying to multiple relatives...we ceased treatment - or didn't bother starting it - because there was no (economic or societal) benefit; would you want to be on the receiving end of that?
It would be a decision taken by politicians who would not directly face the impact but would expect the medical profession to implement it.
Top bod in Home Office has said to Home Affairs Committee that, even if no planes take asylum seekers to Rwanda there will be no £ refund to UK.
This confirms a suggestion way up there^^^ somewhere, this could be re-badged foreign aid.