The obvious question is why?
Already been said many times and you have ignored it every time.
The goal was to siphon votes from the Tories forcing them to become more and more UKIP.
It worked.
Farage stood for election in seats where UKIP enjoyed the highest possible level of support and yet still failed to win.
The obvious question is why?
Already been said many times and you have ignored it every time.
The goal was to siphon votes from the Tories forcing them to become more and more UKIP.
I can't say that I have ever heard it claimed that Nigel Farage personally stood for parliament 7 times not to win but to siphon votes from the Tories.
That is a completely new one to me. Does Farage know this? He seemed really pissed off the last time when he failed to win Thanet. He looked very convinced that he was going to win before the count.
Edit: Oh and btw the Tories still managed to win South Thanet the last time Farage stood. He didn't even "siphon" enough votes to result in the Tories losing.
Patrick Bateman has resigned, off to spend more time with the bodies secreted about his house
I see he's issued the usual graceless, self-justifying non-apology so beloved of this lot and made himself the hard-done-by victim
Love that he actually said "well, the inquiry only found me guilty of two of the claims" as if that was okay!!!
I see he’s issued the usual graceless, self-justifying non-apology so beloved of this lot and made himself the hard-done-by victim
It was the woke liberal leftie lawyers and their ridiculously low threshold for "bullying" wot dun it. How petty to suggest that screaming abuse at someone because they used a full stop instead of a colon is bullying! How dare they imagine for a moment that reducing your staff to tears is in any way unprofessional!
Still, the fact that Raab resigned does at least mean Sunak doesn't need to make a decision. He's good at not making decisions.
Oh bless, what an optimistic view!
It’ll be like every other report into Government wrongdoing, partygate etc. There’ll be “lessons learnt” and “reviews to ensure this can never happen again” and naturally poor misunderstood Raaaab will only have been doing his best in incredibly challenging circumstances and I’m sure that the civil service will be called a bunch of woke snowflakes unable to cope with his extraordinary management skills…
And that’s if the report is critical. It could completely exonerate him! Bullying?! Nope, didn’t find any of that…
That aged well crazy legs 🙂 sorry but I couldn't resist
Yes and no. Raab still managed to come up with most of that as an excuse! 😉
He believes he behaved professionally at all times, much like Boris Johnson believed he was abiding by the rules at all times and Sunak believed that all his interests were declared...
They really do struggle with reality, this lot don't they?!
I can’t say that I have ever heard it claimed that Nigel Farage personally stood for parliament 7 times not to win but to siphon votes from the Tories.
That is a completely new one to me. Does Farage know this? He seemed really pissed off the last time when he failed to win Thanet. He looked very convinced that he was going to win before the count.
Edit: Oh and btw the Tories still managed to win South Thanet the last time Farage stood. He didn’t even “siphon” enough votes to result in the Tories losing.
You do realise the UK is out of the EU, right? And the Tories keep announcing racist policies? And even Labour are getting in on the act?
UKIP won, get over it.
What a graceless non apology that is tho. Just like the man
Still, the fact that Raab resigned does at least mean Sunak doesn’t need to make a decision
Are you sure that he wasn't sacked? According to the Guardian just now:
Sunak suggested in February that if Tolley concluded that his deputy had fallen short of the standards expected of somebody in his position, he would be sacked. However, the lawyer’s remit was solely to “establish the facts” of Raab’s conduct and it was left to the prime minister to decide whether he should face sanction.
"When I’m presented with conclusive independent findings that someone in my government has not acted with the integrity or standards that I would expect of them, I won’t hesitate to take swift and decisive action,” he said at the time.
UKIP won, get over it.
Now that's something that I don't expect to hear from an extreme Remainer. Yeah Bruce how about you getting over it, as you put it?
You do realise the UK is out of the EU, right? And the Tories keep announcing racist policies? And even Labour are getting in on the act?
UKIP won, get over it.
Support for Brexit and right wing policies is not the same thing as Farage having popular personal appeal.
I want to read the report.
Raab says the report and inguiry "setting the threshold for bullying so low, this inquiry has set a dangerous precedent"
He demands the right to treat underlings as they deserve, and refuses to admit that his own threshold may be in fact too high. What a guy! A new role awaits, striding topless around the pool smoking stogie's with Andrew Tate, surely?
'All but two...'. Two then as in more than zero. Ergo a workplace bully. Just **** off.
Probably jumped before he was pushed.
this
the fact he shouldve been sacked for incompetence long ago seems to be ignored in all this
Yeah Bruce how about you getting over it, as you put it?
I did.
I realised that the only way to effect change in the UK's current system of government is to vote for single issue parties in order to force the mainstream parties to chase my vote.
Now I just need a UK party with a fanatical commitment to constitutional reform and a return to the EU to vote for.
Until then I'll stick with the SNP.
Will Therese Coffey be reappointed Deputy Prime Minister now?
That would be fun.
I assume that Raab wanted the bullying threshold set slightly higher than the level of bullying that he was operating at.
Off you pop Dominic.
the fact he should've been sacked for incompetence long ago seems to be ignored in all this
The fact that he, as foreign secretary, didn't see the fall of Kabul as a reason to leave the beach tells you everything you need to know about his attitude to ministerial responsibility
He may as well have elaborately shrugged and issued a statement saying ****'em!
quite a nice line from Starmer
On Raab's claims the inquiry was flawed, Starmer says he doesn't know why the former deputy PM "thinks anybody wants to hear about his whining about having to resign".
the full quote not the Beeb edited version
I don’t know why Dominic Raab, in the middle of a cost-of-living crisis, thinks that anybody wants to hear about his whining about having to resign.
it's not a great look for Sunak, dithered for 24 hrs then has the rug pulled from under him by a dumbass :/
The fact that he, as foreign secretary, didn’t see the fall of Kabul as a reason to leave the beach tells you everything you need to know about his attitude to ministerial responsibility
I think you're missing his earlier Opus Magnum when as Brexit secretary he openly declared that he didn't know that Dover was a major part of our trade with the EU whilst he was negotiating with the EU.
Thick as Mince, corrupt as hell (both morally and in the more conventional sense)
Oh I do enjoy a bit of schadenfreude. Made my day this has
Watch out for a Rishi masterstroke.
Have a reshuffle coz Robot Raab is gone, and out with Braverman now he doesn't need her.
That would be lovely to watch
The lack of self-awareness in some people is just frightening, but i guess that's part of the ridiculous levels of self-confidence that many of these muppets enjoy.
But when someone actually points it out, either by comment or a full review taking evidence from all parties, to be so self unaware that your response is that he's still right and everyone else is just over-sensitive.....
If someone fed back to me that that was the way my behaviour was coming across, I'd be mortified and doing all i could to change it. Probably knowing my character traits, even suicidal.
Not Dom, oh no, it's everyone else!
In reaching and implementing this management choice he acted in a way
which was intimidating, in the sense of unreasonably and persistently
aggressive conduct in the context of a work meeting. It also involved
an abuse or misuse of power in a way that undermines or humiliates. He
introduced an unwarranted punitive element. His conduct was
experienced as undermining or humiliating by the affected individual,
which was inevitable. It is to be inferred that the DPM was aware that
this would be the effect of his conduct; at the very least, he should have
been aware.
So Sunak read this yesterday morning and was mulling over shall I keep him or not !
Sunak still hasn't actually said anything on the matter, so presumably he's too scared to come out from underneath his desk in case Psycho Raab is waiting for him
The thing is Dominic Raab actually reminds me of the slightly geeky and soft sissy boy that everyone had a tendency to cruelly pick on at school.
I have a vision of a visible pulse throbbing away in Raab's temple as he carves the word BASTARDS into his desk, kicks his bin and slams the door off its hinges as he leaves.
Interestingly he is 3rd Dan Karate. I bet he's a horrible ****er to fight against. The sort of sly git who would kick you in the knee and take a warning, then try and punch your lights out because you can't get out of the way.
His general demeanour would suggest you're right Ernesto. He's clearly a thoroughly unpleasant person and potentially a psychopath.
I think he always looks like he's just been interrupted while cutting up the body of a murdered prostitute in his bath
What's the betting that Raab gets another minesterial role before this lot finally get booted out at the next GE? I reckon he's aiming at beating Braverman's 6 day bounce back.
What’s the betting that Raab gets another minesterial role before this lot finally get booted out at the next GE? I reckon he’s aiming at beating Braverman’s 6 day bounce back.
Even Sunak, famous as he is for walking into traps (as @tjagain mentioned a few pages back), isn't quite that dumb. Raab himself probably isn't that stupid - he might have been able to save himself if he'd have shown an ounce of contrition, a slight acceptance that the problem might, just might, have been him but he hasn't.
He's doubled down on his behaviour and issued the mother of all non-apologies.
I see that Sunak has accepted Raab's resignation "with great sadness" and also put a jibe in about the "shortcomings" in the process of the investigation...
Tolley expressly points out that Bullying has no legal definition although he sets out his guidelines for the sake of the report;
there was a broad consensus that conduct would fall within the description of ‘bullying’ if it can be characterised as:(1) Offensive, intimidating, malicious or insulting behaviour; or (2) Abuse or misuse of power in ways that undermine, humiliate, denigrate or injure the recipient
It's worth noting that Raab describes this as: “setting the threshold for bullying so low, this inquiry has set a dangerous precedent”
I would love to know where he thinks that bar should be set? Physical beating presumably
Certainly sounds to me as though the bullies are sulking because they have been told they can't bully as much.
I get the impression that this is being lined up to feed the "woke leftie civil servant snowflakes" narrative, and the process will be tweaked to suit the government even more.
He always reminded me of Simon, the dim-witted holiday camp manager from the sit-com Hi-di-Hi.
Coild do a remake and call it 'Heil-di-Heil'.
I get the impression that this is being lined up to feed the “woke leftie civil servant snowflakes” narrative, and the process will be tweaked to suit the government even more.
I think it's worse than that. It's going to be the deep state controlling who can be in government. Raab has already started it in his resignation letter.
Whilst I feel duty bound to accept the outcome of the inquiry, it dismissed all but two of the claims levelled against me. I also believe that its two adverse findings are flawed and set a dangerous precedent for the conduct of good government.
First, ministers must be able to exercise direct oversight with respect to senior officials over critical negotiations conducted on behalf of the British people, otherwise the democratic and constitutional principle of ministerial responsibility will be lost. This was particularly true during my time as foreign secretary, in the context of the Brexit negotiations over Gibraltar, when a senior diplomat breached the mandate agreed by cabinet.
That's some dangerous shit right there.
Ah yes, Hi-di-Hi, that's it!
nickc - in raab's distorted view physical beating would be OK as would a little light torture.
Anything beyond that would - probably - be regarded as unacceptable.
He completely misses the point with that example (accepting we don't have all the facts yet)
If an official has acted outside their powers, then they should be sanctioned.
You don't bully, harass, intimidate them. Not unless you are a sociopath.
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/21/dominic-raab-hardman-rishi-sunak-scandal
The ever excellent Marina Hyde. 🙂
Is that all the Britannia Unchained authors licked out of government now?
Rabb, Patel, Kwarteng, Truss.
bunch of loonies the lot of them. Skidmore, the other author and non-entity is stepping down at the next election. I think I see the same for some of the others in their futures.
You feel the Tories are moving to the left?
Channel 4 news are reporting that one of the senior civil servants says he warned Raab repeatedly about the way he spoke to staff. Raab says he has no recollection of ever being warned
Hmmmmmmm… who to believe?
Ree Smug is now on justifying it all, obvs
Apparently ministers should be allowed to swear at people aggressively, belittling and humiliating them and there is no obligation on them to treat people with respect
Mind you, we are talking about people who regard being buggered in a boarding school dormitory as a right of passage (no pun intended)