Well I'm glad that Braverman's resignation was so heartfelt and significant. 6 whole days, that's a new record isn't it?
Is Sunak going to get away with this "there is a crisis and I am the man to fix it" thing when he was chancellor of the exchequer for most of the last 2 and a half years and fixed ****-all? Can he blame everything on truss's lunatic budget?
Grim to see braverman back, for a minute there I thought sunak might be sensible
Can he blame everything on truss’s lunatic budget?
In the summer, we reached the point when even the Tories were blaming the Tories for.... "all this". Don't see why recent events would put a stop to that, just because they've piled on even more shit on top of "all this". Trying to restrain the blame to just 6 weeks, rather than 12 years, could be tried... hopefully it won't stick.
"EDIT: if gove gets an appointment that will be putting a fox in the hen house."
I hate to say it but Gove is an absolute collosus compared to that shower of s***
Honeymoon is over for Sunak. The appointment of Braverman points towards an increased likelyhood of civil unrest.
I hate him more than Johnson already.
I am not sure why anyone should be surprised that someone on the right of the Tory Party should behave like someone on the right of the Tory Party.
Nothing Rishi Sunak has ever said suggests that as Tory leader he would shift the party to the left.
I thought his appeal was that despite shifting the Tories to the right he would be a competent Tory Prime Minister?
Surely Johnsons greatest asset was his laziness and incompetence ensuring that he never actually got anything done?
God spare of us from another right wing Brexiteer loon on a mission, a la Truss.
I thought his appeal was that despite shifting the Tories to the right he would be a competent Tory Prime Minister?
If he has any appeal then this is it. However I don't see competence as the way out of the current mess, actually I don't see any way out of it without a lot of people getting crushed. But then many of them voted for it so I'm sure they will all be happy we have no more European immigrants (an increase in the other kind but we wont talk about that) and their standard of living destroyed. But heyho Brexit and shit. Anyone who voted Tory (or didn't vote) last time round are welcome to their brown sandwich, those that didn't I have sympathy for.
Gillian! Keegan! for education. Who?
Will she be the 93rd Education Secretary this year?
I wouldn't worry too much, she'll be gone by next week
I mean thank **** Coffey isn't health sec anymore, but he's given her DEFRA. Give it a week and there'll be a new policy to plough up organic farms to plant tobacco
Extremely underwhelming cabinet appointments. Just the same old shit, same washed up faces.
As for Braverman, jeeez. Presumably that's payback to the ERG for their votes
So I guess sensible discussion regarding the effect Brexit has had on our economy is not on the cards?, can’t see any discussion about the single market being on the agenda either.
Hope the EU tell Sunak and his lackeys to **** off
I have to say, I'm disappointed. Not that I'd ever agree with his politics, but I thought he might take a more grownup approach to the job. But no, he's just appointing the same bunch of useless ****wits with no qualifications for their job...I guess I'm not surprised tho. The party is still riven by the same lunatic factions on all sides and I think he's going to really struggle, way more then he should have to if he'd just had a bit of courage.
Just proves that has been promoted too soon, without anywhere near enough experience of politics.
Appointing coffey to *anything* is a big mistake.
You thought useless eustice was, well, useless?
coffey will, I believe, be a disaster.
Has sunak announced a free Peleton for every household - yet?
"As for Braverman, jeeez. Presumably that’s payback to the ERG for their votes"
The ERG have an even firmer grip on both their party and the country than they ever had.
There is nothing to say about this cabinet other than they are an arrangement of Brexit nut-jobs.
The only silver lining in all of this is that it could hasten the point at which the British public at large realises the truth about Brexit, they're not even offering dead cats this time around, just the same old stick your head in the oven, half baked Brexit deal.
Cue a Cold War Steve cartoon of some desperate soul sticking their head in the oven but not being able to afford the gas to end it all...
Braverman!!! Has her personal email shenanigans been forgiven?!
Not sure what you were all expecting - there’s not exactly a big pool of talent (or any talent) to choose from! 🤣😱
And here comes Gavin... Sorry, Sir Gavin.
Badenoch - women and equalities minister!
The thick of it has nothing on this lot
Have we forgiven him for being a criminal?
Rishi was falsely claiming to be a full-time resident of the United States while he was living in Downing Street, and writing tax law for ordinary British citizens to follow...
Meanwhile whilst pretending to be a full-time US resident, his wife was claiming to be domiciled in India, in order to avoid paying tax on her overseas fortunes..
The maximum penalty for tax evasion is seven years or an unlimited fine..
What does Rishi get??
WTF.. lets make him PM.
Braverman!!! Has her personal email shenanigans been forgiven?!
Have we forgiven him for being a criminal?
This is Year Zero. Again. All is forgiven.
It seems like the qualification for cabinet membership remain the same asat any other point in the last few years.... absolutely insane, as thick as mince, but a fully paid up member of the Brexit Cult
When do you reckon he'll trigger Article 16 then? By the weekend?
Braverman!!! Has her personal email shenanigans been forgiven?!
Didn't Braverman sack herself for breaching the ministerial code?
If so it seems reasonable that she should have the authority to forgive herself.
It's not all bad my POS MP Jake Berry has been sacked resigned
Coffey on Wikipedia:
she went up to Somerville College, Oxford in 1989 to study chemistry.[6][7] However, in 1991 she was required to withdraw from the college on academic grounds, having obtained poor examination results attributed to over-involvement in extracurricular activities
I think the odds on a General Election before Christmas have just shortened.
frankconway
Full MemberAppointing coffey to *anything* is a big mistake.
Yup, in her 17 minutes as health secretary she performed much like any pub expert would in that position "I tell you what we need! More antibiotics! Just give 'em to everyone". Actually stupider than Trump's "give them a really big dose of the flu vaccine"
He has just entered my I spy book of ****s.
"I think the odds on a General Election before Christmas have just shortened."
I think you're right. If you'd have taken an opinion poll from this thread 24 hours ago the thought that Sunak would have recognised the importance of stabilising the mood in the country as well as his party was at least in people's minds as a possibility.
And for those who will just respond "what did you expect" theres no need to respond, we know how smart you are.
It takes some serious front to stand at a lectern and solemnly say that you’ll be bringing back integrity to government then promptly appointing a Home Secretary who was sacked 6 days earlier for breaching the ministerial code.
I was hoping for anything positive, but it’s obvious that we’re just in for more of the same. With added public sector cuts for good measure
Hmmmmmm… I wonder what odds I can get on him being gone in a shorter time than Truss?
Nothing has happened to make a GE more likely.
Opinion polls on the subject would be irrelevant.
There is no upside for the tories in an election before Jan '25.
I posted yesterday that they are about
self-preservation, not annihilation.
This will suppress any possibility of a VONC succeeding.
The party is still riven by the same lunatic factions on all sides and I think he’s going to really struggle, way more then he should have to if he’d just had a bit of courage.
The new Prime Minister was more concerned with his party than the state of the country in his first speech, as was the last but one. Ms Mordaunt was the only candidate that mentioned country first. He'll limp on until the last possible moment the the shower of mediocrity that is the Conservative Party will be consigned the the outer darkness where they belong.
As a man who has never felt the need to protest about anything, I’m now at the point where I’d happily March on the streets if I thought it would get this shower of cretins out of power
As for the The reinstatement of braverman…ffs she is a despicable human being, hideously ugly both inside and out.
Someone as repellent as Braverman should be nowhere near the Home Secretary’s job in the first place
I assume her overnight redemption and rehabilitation was one of the ERG’s demands?
They’re the ones running the country
Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans! Really?! REALLY?!!!
https://twitter.com/johnjcrace/status/1584986534264025088?s=46&t=DrkXGNnFK5w5FfKlKqXa3g
Ah. The man with the blackmail book.
Don’t forget the influence of the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA) and other shadowy “Think Tanks”, registered as charities! Oxymoron anyone?
williamson - minister without portfolio; more like minister without a brain.
May as well give Patel a position too now, for the full house bat**** crazy cabinet bingo card.
As someone on Twitter has pointed out, the deal Sunak has done with the far right of the party is "If you let me look after the economics, you can have your culture wars"
I am actually suprised anyone is suprised by the collection of ****wits he has assembled.
I wrote on here a while ago that Rishi was book smart but not actually what you would call street smart.
His naivety will be his Achilles heal
the deal Sunak has done with the far right of the party is “If you let me look after the economics, you can have your culture wars”
You think that his Thatcherite economic policies won't appeal to the hard-right of the Tory Party?
Truss represented a shift to the right, Sunak represents a further shift to the right.
As someone said during the previous leadership contest, Sunak is a right-winger who appears to be a liberal, Truss is a liberal who appears to be right-wing.
Truss might have had daft ideas about cutting taxes for the wealthy but I think her determination not to cut government spending was probably genuine, however unrealistic it might have been in relation to her tax cuts. And her energy price support for 2 years was generous even though Hunt forced her to abandon it.
Sunak hasn't done a deal with the hard right of the party, they are in control.
He’s managed to create the worst of all worlds
If anybody had any hope left for some sanity being restored to the government of this country, it won’t have lasted the day
The worst ever PM title has been repeatedly bested over the last decade, but with the start he’s made today, he’s already in strong contention
Well I’m glad that Braverman’s resignation was so heartfelt and significant. 6 whole days, that’s a new record isn’t it?
Clearly the Home Office suddenly believes in the rehabilitation of offenders.
So Mogg out but Braverman back in. Seems a slightly odd way to keep the ERG on side.
Anyone got any thoughts?
Anyone got any thoughts?
The Moggster shouted at the wrong people on *that* evening voting sham.
"Nothing has happened to make a GE more likely."
I'd have agreed with that when Mordant stood down yesterday. Since then Sunaks favourability rating has plummeted, the Doctor Who villain is back as home Secretary and Gavin Williamson has been appointed since you posted that Frank.
I'm just trying to imagine how much more damage he can do by Friday, yet alone 2 years time.
Dorries has broken.
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1585012608138375168?s=20&t=cZNPMkZSgR848m2TXEWf7A
inkster
Free Member
“Nothing has happened to make a GE more likely.”I’d have agreed with that when Mordant stood down yesterday. Since then Sunaks favourability rating has plummeted, the Doctor Who villain is back as home Secretary and Gavin Williamson has been appointed since you posted that Frank.
I’m just trying to imagine how much more damage he can do by Friday, yet alone 2 years time.
I have to agree. Sunak wont be leading the Torys into an election in 2 years time.
The Tory infighting will just carry on as the economy writhes in agony and people are NOT in the mood for a second decade of austerity.
I've never seen such a snide bunch of vile humans in power.
I'm calling sunkak spinless on some of those appointments imagine having to work with that lot.
Infighting has already commenced....
They all think they are in charge, ERG, 22, The boys from Bruge.... it gets more like the Death of Stalin every day.
They are ****ed and they know it. Rishi is little more than a sacrificial lamb.
What's the three word slogan?
Short and Stable?
(Refering to the length of his tenure rather than the length of his trousers.)
people are NOT in the mood for a second decade of austerity.
No, and that is a huge problem for him, hence this sombre non-celebratory arrival to Number 10 today. He knows that he has his job cut out in convincing voters to swallow more austerity. He needs to paint a picture of a huge crises which can only be resolved by ordinary working people making huge sacrifices.
But he faces considerable problems with convincing voters - the absurd Cameron/Osborne slogan "we're all in this together" will ring even hollower if it is said by a billionaire wealthier than the King. This time they won't be able to falsely blame 13 years of Labour governments for the alleged need for austerity. And to compound the problem this time millions are very seriously struggling with rising food and heating costs.
Today's sombre Downing Street event with no fanfare and him walking solitary along the street was carefully choreographed by his professional image advisors to prepare voters for the big lie that they will be expected to swallow.
https://twitter.com/carolinelucas/status/1584979351719682048?s=46&t=sUc1-gnahK24_LxdQPQn5g
Quite a few people are asking that very question, I’d imagine.
The ERG and the right wing ‘think-tanks’ will all be happy. I doubt anyone else is.
As Ernie says, stand by for austerity 2.0, with huge cuts to public services, and a slightly less gung ho version of Liz’s trickle-down economics
All while maintaining the same stupidly confrontational attitude to our nearest neighbours and biggest trading partners, so the more obvious route to economic growth will remain firmly closed
It’s just more right wing ideology delivered by someone who on the surface appears slightly less unhinged
Theresa Coffey as environment minister is particularly laughable
He knows that he has his job cut out in convincing voters to swallow more austerity. He needs to paint a picture of a huge crises which can only be resolved by ordinary working people making huge sacrifices.
Yep and the groundwork started weeks ago with the old "we don't want our grandchildren paying for this"
Nobody pointing out that that is actually how it works and always has as we run a deficit. The grandchildren will be paying taxes for something just as I do now and nothing needs to be done, especially in current climate.
Cleverly dancing on the head of a pin trying to justify Suella Bravermans appointment. Asked if this demonstrates ‘transparency and integrity’, apparently it does as she apologised for making a mistake and resigned
No she didn’t. She broke the ministerial code, in the full knowledge that’s what she was doing and was subsequently sacked for doing so
You can apparently now re-write history in 6 days
But apparently it's ok because they're all at it.
https://twitter.com/GoodLawProject/status/1585168063833559041?s=20&t=YHZ2xkXKnqX-4ebh4L-h-g
Richard Osman gave a good summary of the situation on Frankie Boyle's program last night (it was recorded on Thursday so lots have changed since then but his assessment is still valid)
Go to ~9:20
Frankie Boyle's New World Order, Series 6: Episode 1: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001djpy via @bbciplayer
But apparently it’s ok because they’re all at it.
You know when you start a new job and you have to do a whole load of induction stuff, online modules about GDPR, IT security, H&S at work type stuff...?
Does no-one in Government get any of that?
I'd be fired in minutes if I was sending work stuff via personal emails. Apart from the security and audit issues, it's just unprofessional.
I mean, I shouldn't be surprised, I think it was Nadine Dorries who openly stated that she shared all her passwords with staff, let others log on etc. It's quite tempting to set up a phishing scam and send it to every MP. As a get-rich-quick scheme, it's probably not bad. Shows innovation, small start up enterprise. Tories like that... 😉
^ ah. The old two wrongs making a right.
My mum had a saying on that.
Cleverley also said Bravermans appointment was essential as the government had to ‘draw on her extensive experience in the role’
What? All 6 weeks of it that she managed before she was sacked?
I pity the poor HR intern at Westminster responsible for doing those organisation hierarchy charts.
Bet the payroll people are well and truly confused too.
prime_minister_final_final_FINAL.docx
If anybody had any hope left for some sanity being restored to the government of this country, it won’t have lasted the day
I suppose it just a massive recycling exercise, so we shouldn't expect anything else.
They keep trying the phrase 'this' Government like its some massive reboot/Dr Who regeneration but the things they sort of stand for and originally got voted in for don't really let them have much leeway and oddly when they did the things they really,really wanted it went bang.
Unsurprisingly I suppose, but I just had an elderly, significantly wealthy conservative party member in my shop, looked at the front pages and said "theres something slightly odd about having a Hindu in 10 Downing Street, don't mention the Raj!"
I said, I wasn't even aware what religion, or how religious Sunak is.....
"theres something slightly odd about having a Hindu in 10 Downing Street, don’t mention the Raj!”
And yet Rishi Sunak appears ultimately to be a product of the British Raj and its policy of using educated Indians to administer colonial affairs in Africa.
"Is there that much lack of talent in Conservative ranks these days that Suella Braverman is truly the only person who can do the job?"
James Cleverly is asked in the clip in the article below.
Unbelievable. Less than 24 hours in and he is already on the back foot defending the appointment of Nutella.
If only there was a precedent of being undermined because you have picked someone questionable...
Or is it tactical? Will PMQs and the media be focused on her appointment and not the general shit state of affairs?
Why is anything unbelievable these days?
Seems to me the likes of James o'Brien and Dunt have yet again been conned by the idea of grown ups/competent managers etc.
Wtf.
Ideology sits way out there.
Agree with Ernie above. Sunak is a classic Tory, he was always going to drop the hammer on everyone.
Truss was an outlier and traded stability for doing something different which now the markets have spoken has bred the next chapter of real poverty.
All this is optional from a market perspective. They could be controlled to our advantage. BoE chooses austerity too.
Be very interesting what Sunak does to the polling.
Fron 'Eat out to help out' to 'eat nowt and kicked out'
The urgent Hunt budget delayed from 31st October to 17th November... Couldn't make it up!
Fron ‘Eat out to help out’ to ‘eat nowt and kicked out’
Eat Out to Spread Covid About.
That scheme was more or less responsible for the second wave.
but not actually what you would call street smart.
I'd imagine the price for Braverman's support was her old job back. Same with folks like Gove, Raab and Williamson no doubt.
I can't see how Suella Braverman was ever going to support either Boris Johnson or Penny Mordaunt in the latest leadership election if she thought that Liz Truss was too soft on immigration.
She was always going to back the most right-wing of the three contenders, Sunak didn't have to buy her support.
Braverman in her resignation letter wrote:
Pretending we haven’t made mistakes, carrying on as if everyone can’t see that we have made them, and hoping that things will magically come right is not serious politics. I have made a mistake; I accept responsibility; I resign.
Well it turns out that things did "magically" come right and 6 days later she got her identical job back and carried on where she left off.
That, presumably, is serious politics.
She was always going to back the most right-wing of the three contenders, Sunak didn’t have to buy her support.
And offer her support without any quid pro quo? That's pretty naive thinking. I'd imagine Braverman offered her vote to whomever would guarantee her old job back.
I wonder what the shortest possible time between resignation and absolution of all offences is? Only a matter of time til cabinet members resign every morning just to clear things up for another day's hard ministerial code breaking
the deal Sunak has done with the far right of the party is “If you let me look after the economics, you can have your culture wars”
That overlooks how many of the hard right of the party are just as keen on using the culture wars as a distraction rather than something they truly believe in.
Yvette Cooper is presently at the despatch box reading out the full charge sheet against the irradiated gerbil, and asking about the implications for national security if her re-appointment
It goes without saying she hasn’t bothered to turn up, scarpering as soon as PMQ’s wound up. So much for accountability eh?
That’s pretty naive thinking. I’d imagine Braverman offered her vote to whomever would guarantee her old job back.
Sunak wasnt exactly in need of one vote for one post.
Aside from anything else he could have offered the same deal to anyone else who wasnt currently in disgrace. Admittedly a fairly short list currently with the tories.
I’d imagine Braverman offered her vote to whomever would guarantee her old job back.
I think you are exaggerating the importance of Braverman's vote, Sunak was having no problem in finding sufficient nominations, he was well in advance of his rivals.
Johnson and Mordaunt were never likely to give Braverman her old job back, Sunak was always the most likely to do so, he didn't have to make any promises to her, she would have known it.
It's amazing that he didn't even bother to wait a few months though, I don't think anyone could have predicted that. Especially after the integrity comments in his speech.