greatest increase in Labour support since 1945 and robbed the Tories of their majority.
Against the Maybot and they still didnt win and then Boris rolls up and annihilates Labour. And oh boohoo poor little Corbs, its so unfair, its not his fault. Dealing with the right wing press is something left wing Labour politicians have to deal with. Corbyn didnt, he utterly failed to get his message across to the voters, he was absebt and unrelatable for most and tgats on him. We all have to work in the world as it is not how we'd like it to be.
For the last few years we have been a centre right country in many ways.
As far as the electorate are concerned its been a lot longer than that, hence all the Tory governments since the war.
Against the Maybot and they still didnt win and then Boris rolls up and annihilates Labour
You are totally obsessed about Jeremy Corbyn, aren't you? And on a thread about Rishi Sunak!
As I said the go to tactic for Tories and Labour right-wingers when all else fails is to mention Jeremy Corbyn.
No party won the 2017 general election. It was called, totally unnecessarily, because people like you kept banging on that Labour didn't stand a chance, and Theresa May believed the hype.
Tories and Labour right-wingers had better luck 2 years later after Starmer had managed to convince/bully Corbyn in supporting a second EU referendum.
But well done you for giving all the credit to Boris Johnson's masterful political expertise and his ability to "annihilate" Labour.
Even though Labour managed to get a larger share of the vote in 2019 than it did under both Ed Miliband and Gordon Brown - it was the collapse of the LibDem vote and first-past-the-post arithmetic which gave the Tories such a disproportionately good result.
Obviously Jeremy Corbyn being a weak obsessively woke leader who tried to appease the extreme remainers did absolutely nothing to help.
Against the Maybot and they still didnt win and then Boris rolls up and annihilates Labour.
Yeah but he did achieve the second largest increase in left-handed Labour voters who don't like pickles, or something.
Everyone who keeps banging on about Starmer is missing the point, we’re a centre right country,
You keep claiming this but its not supported by the voting results. It only works under FPTP hence why the hard right media shit themselves at any thought of electoral reform since they know anything other than FPTP doesnt favour them.
Starmer has seen the opportunity and has moved in to seize the ground the Tories have vacated. It’s a shrewd move if you want to get elected
It relies on all the existing labour voters not deciding that a party occupying that ground doesnt represent them. Hence why we have all the more right wing labour shouting about a vote against the glorious leader is a vote for tories.
Despite the centrists gammon like view that they are the silent majority they really arent. They are a minority who have an outsize influence under the current voting system.
Its also badly flawed from a strategic viewpoint. We have already seen how chasing the tories (or republicans) turns out. If you "seize the ground" then its a victory for them since now it sets the baseline further right.
Yeah but he did achieve the second largest increase in left-handed Labour voters who don’t like pickles, or something.
And don't forget Jew hating racists, they were queuing up to vote Labour.
Everyone who keeps banging on about Starmer is missing the point, we’re a centre right country,
Perhaps England is, Scotland is not
Perhaps the regions are, London is not
kimbers
Full MemberWhat do the tories do next?
Smash steal and burn as much as they can before the next election then plan a comfortable exit for the next 1 or 2 terms til they can get back in and blame everything on Labour.
Seriously, the only saving grace for hte country is that they don't quite seem to have gone into "we are definitely going to lose" mode.
Smash steal and burn as much as they can before the next election then plan a comfortable exit for the next 1 or 2 terms til they can get back in and blame everything on Labour.
This is the way*
*Of FPTP.
“We’ve got to get far tougher on those university courses that are simply not paying their way, because we are spending your money to subsidise these courses, which are not producing the goods for people, right?
“So it’s great news for the universities largely full of, you know, people who don’t vote for us anyway.”
Tougher means cut the funding and make more students pay back more. That’ll teach those university educated but without substantial means types for not voting for Sunak’s party and Brexit.
....for not voting for Sunak’s party and Brexit.
Does he mention brexit? I saw his reference to "not voting for us" but I couldn't see any reference to brexit, which would be strange to say the least.
Perhaps the regions are, London is not
The interesting thing is that Labour is massively popular in London with recently a 40% lead over the Tories, double the national average:
However Sadiq Khan, the Labour mayor, doesn't match that level of popularity. In the last mayoral elections Sadiq Khan only managed to get less than 5% more than Shaun Bailey his Tory rival.
And Shaun Bailey was widely considered to be a particularly bad candidate for the Tories to choose. Many thought that the Tories didn't bother with a more serious and capable candidate because they knew that they really didn't stand a chance.
Today despite Labour having a 40% lead over the Tories in London half of Londoners believe that their Labour mayor is doing a bad job:
Obviously Labour wants to blame the current Tory government for Sadiq Khan's lack of popularity :
A Labour source said: “The Tories have delivered over a decade of austerity and continue to hold London back.
But for me it suggests that Labour politicians are not actually popular with voters.
It would appear imo that it is intense dislike of the Tories which is the primary reason for Labour's huge lead, and very little indeed to do with Labour politicians.
Which voters are popular with the voter, not many I would think. People vote for the party not the MP the majority of the time otherwise how could you ever explain people actually voting for the likes of Mogg, Dorries (the list goes on).
I vote green but I don't even know anything about the person I am voting for and whether they would do a better job for the constituency than the tory candidate. I don't want a tory government so I don't vote for the tory candidate.
That doesn't explain why Labour has a 40% lead over the Tories in London when Londoners are asked how they would vote in a general election, but only a 8% lead over the Tories when Londoners are asked how they would vote in a mayoral election:
https://www.onlondon.co.uk/poll-sadiq-khan-leads-london-mayor-2024-election-race/
For me the difference is that the mayoral poll focuses on an individual Labour politician. The Tories do remarkably well in that poll considering that they haven't even chosen their candidate!
It seems that anti-Tory sentiments taper off significantly in London when voters are asked to focus on Labour's most important London politician.
Edit; Depending on who they choose as a candidate it is quite feasible for the Tories to win next year's London mayoral election (Shaun Bailey only got 5% less than Sadiq Khan) which would be remarkable considering how deeply unpopular the Tories are in London.
This is precisely what concerns me over the next GE. General elections have more correlation to the leader's popularity than the party's. There's a lot of hubris over labour's expected results and we're a long way out from an election yet.
What’s the average age of a voter considering voting Tory? Well, here’s a genius campaign move to win them over and get them out to vote for you…
https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1675224081447243781?s=21
For me the difference is that the mayoral poll focuses on an individual Labour politician. The Tories do remarkably well in that poll considering that they haven’t even chosen their candidate!
It seems that anti-Tory sentiments taper off significantly in London when voters are asked to focus on Labour’s most important London politician.
Maybe people don't care so much about the party the mayor represents as the party that is in power in the country. Or they really don't like Sadiq.
Has Dorries actually resigned then?
Of course she hasn't. What's even more surprising is that the Tories favourite sexual deviant Chris Pincher is still an MP.
God it's like bloody Eastenders, don't watch it for a week, come back and you have no idea whats going on, hahah!
With the 44 vs 62 age thing, Starmer should just reply that Sunak won't grow any more in the intervening 18 years, so he can stop hoping and keep wearing the Cuban heels.
😂
<p style="padding-left: 40px;">Came here to post the dories poll</p>
The independent candidate bit unpredictable & obviously has the potential to gift labour , but that really should be the safest of Tory seats
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1675447694905450496?t=XiP3VEdAI2QL46vidX8tIw&s=19
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I don't understand the appeal of the independent in Mid Bedfordshire, I can't find anything to explain it.
By-elections have traditionally been fertile ground for the LibDems, as voters feel that they can afford to register a protest vote against the two main parties.
But despite always coming a very strong second in the constituency right up until Nick Clegg decided to go into coalition with the Tories, the LibDems since then have come third in every general election, and now look at possibly coming fourth after an independent.
There would appear to be voter dissatisfaction with all three main political parties.
Whilst +6% would be a good result for Labour when considered in the context of -36% for the Tories it doesn't exactly suggest a ringing endorsement of the Labour Party, more a total collapse of support for the Tories, with the LibDems not really benefiting at all.
Even 30p Lee is turning on him now. I think he wants machine gun posts on Kent beaches…
Red wall Tory MPs put pressure on Sunak over net migration
What’s even more surprising is that the Tories favourite sexual deviant Chris Pincher is still an MP.
Now that must be a crowded field although in fairness to the tory he has had the whip removed (although is still a party member).
There is a standard committee investigation in progress so its possible he might get the ten day suspension which allows a recall byelection. Otherwise he will stay collecting the cash as long as possible.
Has Mad Nad actually resigned yet?
Or is she going to just carry on picking up her MPs salary while not bothering to turn up and actually do anything?
But fiscally the state gets called on time and time again to prop and support the private sector, which can’t exist without the state.
When times are good – low interest rates, liquidity, jobs etc everyone’s trying to protect their capital – when times are duff we look to the state for a solution.
At the beginning of Covid a very vocal Tory supporting acquaintance was complaining about the lack of Govt support for him in the small business sector. He was not happy about my (true) commentary that he was a total believer in "laissez faire" Govt AND that he probably didn't really financially contribute to society, so why should the rest of us bail him out, when he certainly wouldn't bail anyone else out.
Even 30p Lee is turning on him now. I think he wants machine gun posts on Kent beaches…
He thinks that will be enough to shore up support anongst his more cretinous constituents. He may well be right - I've been to Ashfield a fair few times. 😳
I love the logic of 'The New Conservatives' (is it just me who thinks even that name somehow has sinister-sounding connotations?)
The actual problem: a chronic labour shortage in certain sectors (entirely self-inflicted, caused entirely by something they all enthusiastically supported), leading to massive understaffing
Their solution: less immigration
There are water melons with a better grasp on reality than these clowns, and could probably come up with better solutions
Anyway... Rishi is so week and so scared of them, I expect we'll get an announcement sometime on Wednesday with him pathetically caving in to the demands of these headcases
He may well be right – I’ve been to Ashfield a fair few times. 😳
Be nice - the number of people admitted to hospital from getting stuck to the glass bus stops when we had the cold snap was horrendous
There are water melons with a better grasp on reality than these clowns, and could probably come up with better solutions
What solutions - like "train more people"?
I love the logic of ‘The New Conservatives’ (is it just me who thinks even that name somehow has sinister-sounding connotations?)
I did immediately think New Conservative was a cover for "Even More Batshit and Right Wing Conservative"
New Conservative just sounds like a less sinister version of neocon to me. And a tad more British.
Starmer is 62? He looks good for his age. All those rucks at the footy must be keeping him young. Nothing like smacking about a few headhunters between the station and the ground to get the blood pumping.
new cons, new statesman
Most of them are in at risk seats, this is a pretty poor effort to try & cling on to them
https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1675836360723243011
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1675849000841355264
New turd, new glitter.
Except, in reality, neither the turd nor the glitter are particularly new.
They've just spent a lot of money on consultants to pretend it is.
🍆💦
It's true, though. I saw the female Doctor and immediately defrauded the NHS of £200m for duff PPE. Wokeism is to blame.
The Lava Tories would have been more appropriate for that bunch of turds.
As a designer, that new logo confirms my long held belief that all right leaning people are visually illiterate and any design produced by them is absolutely bloody awful!
They’ve obviously tried to do something different from the standard Union Jack/primary colours/blocky capital letters and arrived at a truly hideous result.
I expected them to come up with something more dynamic and forceful.
binners
As a designer, that new logo confirms my long held belief that all right leaning people are visually illiterate and any design produced by them is absolutely bloody awful!They’ve obviously tried to do something different from the standard Union Jack/primary colours/blocky capital letters and arrived at a truly hideous result.
As much as it's probably only you and me here who get wound up by this stuff, I can only agree.
It's nonsensical, unbalanced and awful looking, and doesn't convey any coherent graphic message that I can read.
It’s nonsensical, unbalanced and awful looking, and doesn’t convey any coherent
graphicmessage that I can read.
Perfect for the job, then.
As a designer, that new logo confirms my long held belief that all right leaning people are visually illiterate and any design produced by them is absolutely bloody awful!
My brother used to work for an advertising agency that had a reputation of being the people you come to last when everyone else has turned you down 🙂 The Scottish Conservatives and the Fox Hunting lobby were amongst their clients. Probably designed some of the material you're thinking about - but not with a great deal of sympathy. Quite enjoyed giving people three options, with a terrible one, and unsurprisingly have the intentionally awful one being the one the client loved.
I don't know what you're all so confused about. The logo clearly represents the last tree in England about to be shredded by the forces of free enterprise. It sums up perfectly what they're about.
Reminded me of the section in the Olympics 2012 opening ceremony where the tree gets torn down to make way for a load of industrial chimneys. So right on brand, apart from the lack of manufacturing in UK Plc.
19 mins in here:
Probably the kind of post-Brexit working conditions they're pitching for:
The cog is trying far too hard to tell people that they're "for the workers" (when obviously they're not)... the first thing it reminded me of was...
[ DAF ]
Hiya,
I'm all for as many nutter factions in the Tory's all trying to be more mad than Nad, at each iteration.
I had a theory on threads like this in most forums to cause as much consternation and split of the anyone daring to vote anything but the blue turd of a party. I mean for gods sake we are the party of true stability law and order the blue rinse and lining our own pockets, after all. Believe all the news etc and have another 4 years of the need to complain about Rich Tea haunted pencil and the party that seems to mirroring Enoch Powell. The Alternative may not be great, but you can hope, well hops for something vaguely better than what we have.
JeZ
They are just unremittingly awful, awful, people. Their only attention to detail is when it comes to casual cruelty:
https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1676149168572596224
I’m all for as many nutter factions in the Tory’s all trying to be more mad than Nad, at each iteration.
Hahahaha the Republicans nominated Trump lol he's useless, they're toast at the election!
We should be careful what we wish for...
I’ve just stumbled across a Tory MP called Miriam Cates who looks to be going full on fascist before inevitably losing her seat in 18 months time. Apparently blaming those pesky brown folks for taking all the opportunities from young people to work in the care sector
Now the failed logic of this, given a youth could get a job in the care sector tomorrow if they so desired given its so chronically understaffed, is obvious to anyone with half a brain.
What I can’t work out is why even come out with this. Even the most ardent Tory bigot surely knows this is absurd. Surely the number of undecided voters who will fall for this rubbish is tiny. Yes Brexit has proven that lots of folks are gullible, and this is just another ‘blame the immigrants’ line from the tories. But this one is probably the most illogical thing I’ve heard yet given a five year old could pick holes in it. Anyone who would even give this notion the time of day is surely so far gone to the right that their vote is cast in stone already. Yes it may attract a few loons from the ultra right, but surely that number is dwarfed by the amount of folks it will push the other way.
or am I underestimating the intelligence of the uk voting base that much..
Now the failed logic of this, given a youth could get a job in the care sector tomorrow if they so desired given its so chronically understaffed, is obvious to anyone with half a brain.
What's logic got to do with it? I've been told the answer is...
- "British" women should be made to have more kids
- Those kids should then be discouraged from pursuing further or higher education
- We can then train them to work in care, health, agriculture, whatever
Simple. Don't think about timespans. Don't think about what young women and their kids might want from life. Just stop the foreigners coming here and whip the young and still not yet born British into shape... they've all gone soft.
[ for full clarity, I don't agree with any of that, but that's what you hear ]
Slimy grifter Sunak showing utter disdain for correct parliamentary procedure yet again, he really is a ****ing **** of the highest standing and given the chance I’d love to pin him down and slap that face till I got a genuine and truthful answer
I came to post that
Sunak is just do bad at it all
https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1676235167038316549?t=xbop578MsUaTl0U5Wm6utg&s=19
he really is a * * of the highest standing and given the chance I’d love to pin him down and slap that face till I got a genuine and truthful answer
You might be slapping him for a LONG time!
He's from the Boris school of lying. You can safely assume that most of what he says is a lie. He knows he's lying as well but when called out on it he gets angry that his lie has been discovered so lies to hide the lie. Then prevaricates a bit.
Oh THAT report?!
Obviously I thought you meant the OTHER report.
Honestly, a kid at school lying about his homework can lie better than Sunak can.
The stupid thing is that when lying like that and when caught out like that, you just appear really dumb. I'm sorry. I had no idea which report you were questioning me about, in spite of being called here to talk about that specific report.
get the feeling he's becoming universally despised on both the left and right.
He knows exactly what he’s doing as he smirks throughout the grilling, my mum used to have a phrase for when i misbehaved that I think is apt for this situation.
I’ll wipe that smirk off your face with the back of my hand.
Personally, I’d wipe that smirk from his face and send him to his private dentist with a clenched fist.
As an irrelevant aside, he does look a lot like Tony Blair in that clip. I'd never really noticed.
I commented on this thread a while back that he had become notably Blair-esque in his tone, delivery and mannerisms and it was obviously a studied and deliberate thing
Sunak has the self-assured smug smile of a man who has never and will never have to actually be amongst us plebs. Johnson, Gove, Sunak, Braverman, Jenrick - so many faces and I've only got two fists. It would be a dilemma if I ever got the opportunity.
he probably thinks it's a vote winner as the daily fail readership don't believe in anthropomorphic climate change.
The equivalent of husky-hugging Dave’s ‘drop the green crap!’?
Party of Rapacious Capitalists in Not Giving a Shit About the Environment Shocka!
I commented on this thread a while back that he had become notably Blair-esque in his tone, delivery and mannerisms and it was obviously a studied and deliberate thing
Yes, I know. I studied that comment and have now embarked on a deliberate course of action to become New Binners. I'll be moaning about design and discussing Northern things shortly.
Who else likes barms and brown ale?
Greggs for breakfast Tomorrow then? 😃
Seriously though, Sunak is morphing into Blair when he really, really concentrates, but it always slips and that smug, smarmy smirk appears again
Crossing the threads a bit here but this is spot on
https://twitter.com/ShaunLintern/status/1676123772229763073
Thats brilliant! And pretty much sums it up
But then what did Sunak expect when he makes a knuckle-dragging neanderthal like 30p Lee the deputy chairman of the party. He knew what he was getting when he indulged the like of him and National Front throwback Gullis
https://twitter.com/stevemaythe1st/status/1675819250395611136?s=20
He knew what he was getting when he indulged the like of him and National Front throwback Gullis
And yet PMs just keep making the same mistake. Indulge the hard right headbangers and previous PM's loyal followers and then appear all surprised when those same people turn on them a few months later.
It's like owning a pet leopard and then being surprised when it mauls you.
Gullis is nothing more than a football hooligan in a suit. I still believe that he was supposed to walk into court but somehow walked into Parliament. Just a thick racist gammon. The absolute last person anyone (let alone the PM) should be thinking about appeasing.
He isn't indulging them, he isn't held hostage by them, FFS, he is one of them. To believe that he is powerless at the head of the party is just not a true representation of what we see, they are part of the tory party strategy. His sharp suits, cuban heels and fake smile is not even convincing, how anyone can see what he is implementing and then somehow convince themselves that he is somehow a prisoner to someone else's agenda is beyond me.
He isn’t indulging them, he isn’t held hostage by them, FFS, he is one of them. To believe that he is powerless at the head of the party is just not a true representation of what we see, they are part of the tory party strategy. His sharp suits, cuban heels and fake smile is not even convincing, how anyone can see what he is implementing and then somehow convince themselves that he is somehow a prisoner to someone else’s agenda is beyond me.
Yup, I totally agree. I have no idea why so many people on here feel Rishi Sunak is some sort of leftie liberal Tory and a prisoner to the Thatcherite wing of the party.
Apart from maybe because he wears sharp suits, has neat haircuts, and is boring. It's perhaps the John Major effect.
He isn’t indulging them, he isn’t held hostage by them, FFS, he is one of them
Indeed. But he keeps going with them as they become ever more and more extreme. David Cameron wasn't good for much, but he did get it right when he referred to this lot as those who 'wouldn't take yes for an answer'.
Whatever he gives them, they demand more as the tail wags the dog and they drag the whole party further and further to the right. If you follow their ferocious anti-immigration rhetoric to its logical conclusion then Rishi and Suella could well find themselves with a one way ticket to Rwanda
Gullis is nothing more than a football hooligan in a suit.
And yet he won a majority in his seat and was elected to Parliament as a result.
You get the politicians you deserve.
Almost no one had heard of Gullis before he became an MP less than four years ago. And it is all but certain that he will loose his seat in a few months time.
Almost no one had heard of Gullis before he became an MP less than four years ago. And it is all but certain that he will loose his seat in a few months time.
He should never have been anywhere near being elected to parliament.
Ok, so he will lose his seat.
He will have been an elected member of the UK parliament for 4-5 years. That is a stain on the UK electorate and that of Stoke in particular.
Stains fade and wash out over time, but they hang around a lot longer than you would like.
That is a stain on the UK electorate and that of Stoke in particular.
Only in your opinion. But you have a long standing contempt for the UK electorate Danny, which is possibly one thing which you share with the Tories.
Quite why foreign electorates might be 'stain free' you have never explained, only your intense dislike for the UK electorate.
Almost no one had heard of Gullis before he became an MP less than four years ago. And it is all but certain that he will loose his seat in a few months time.
The problem is that there's just not enough slots on GBNews for these culture war clowns if they all lose their seats
Anyone who voted for Gullis needs to have a cold hard look at what they did and reconsider come the next election. If they still vote for him, they deserve derision. I suspect without the vague optimistic tailwind of “Get Brexit Done”, he’ll fail to win again. All this “stop foreigners looking after your old folk” nonsense the New Cons are proposing is too specific to have the same effect on voters. I hope.
I'd imagine the voters of Stoke will get rid of him purely so they can leave their house without being doorstepped by a reporter and a camera crew shoving a microphone in their face
Since famously becoming the most Brexity place in the country and then voting Gullis in, every time anything happens, all the newsrooms say 'lets go and see what the knuckle-dragging racists and assorted half-wits think' and despatch a crew straight to Stoke 😂