The best bit about that video is the fat lad at the back who's clearly thought '•••• this! Run after your own ****ing car!', gives up and just walks
That would definitely be me 😂
But it does look like a sort of crap version of a presidential motorcade and also confirms that theres definitely a certain type of person who favours Range Rovers
This isn’t normal is it?
No.
Either a rather enthusiastic response by the police to the Extinction rebellion protesters or them using it as a training exercise for a time if there are a large number of protesters.
John Crace on form as usual.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/26/rishi-sunak-keir-starmer-pmqs-sloganeering
When all is fury, the soundbite is king. But it comes at a cost to the national psyche. It degrades us.
Quite.
I read that earlier. Bang on, as ever
Its right what he's saying that Sunak wasn't just indulging the headbangers by reappointing Braverman as Home Secretary, he's a fully paid up member of their number and he appointed her because he fully agrees with and endorses what she's doing.
Behind the big, stupid stuck on grin and the 'chilled tech bro' exterior, he's as nasty and unhinged as any of them
To be fair, I'm more likely to pronounce it correctly with the English version rather than mangle the proper Welsh name and inadvertently call someones mother the local bicycle.
Member of English Nationalist Party in Acting Like English Nationalist Shocka!
That is pretty good news for Labour imo as Opinium tends to be significantly more generous towards the Tories than most other pollsters. And 18% is a very healthy lead.
So Tory expectation management was that they might lose up to 1000 seats (when in reality they were hoping it would be less than 700)
BBC projecting they will lose 1100
Sunak is safe for now, simply because another leadership election would be a sh!tshow - some of the fruitloop Tories already back on the Boris Bus 😉
Where does Sunak go now? Rwanda policy is doomed to fail, inflation may slow but a lot of people have racked up debt, & Russia's war will keep fuel prices high, strikes show no sign of ending, economy on shaky ground- even if we avoid recession.
I suspect the voter ID thing will have to be reversed as well.
Double down on the culture war crap or just go on a massive spending splurge?
Double down on the culture war crap or just go on a massive spending splurge?
I would guess a bit of both plus get the media help on Starmer with loads of evidence of him contradicting himself so obviously you can't trust him.
Did the Guardian deliberately choose a photo of Starkey which makes him look remarkably like Edward Tattsyrup? Although to be fair I have always thought that there is an uncanny similarity
Local politicians for local people. We do not approve of non-local outsiders who do not understand our local customs and local ways.
Spectator have published Starkey's defence...
......Uber drivers love him 😳
https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1654464800938754050?t=QkmrBYZsP7r9KLnVn__KqQ&s=19
Looks like the flimsy coalition of headbangers that constitutes the Tory party are about to set about each other
Priti Patel and the Boris supporting fruitloops are having their own conference
Meanwhile Suella Braverman leads the ERG ‘National Conservatives looney tunes
The one thing they both have in common? Everything is apparently Rishi’s fault! Nothing to do with themselves, obviously. The cognitive dissonance really is quiet something
You know that you’re well through the bottom of the barrel when the only person you can wheel out for Question Time is the spectacularly dim witted and insipid Helen Whately
https://twitter.com/gainward4/status/1656945573927309314?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
No matter how bad your weekend, at least you aren't at the loony right conference.
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Thanks, Andrea, off to look for my cat and turn off my car alarm now. 🙂
They really are imploding, the head bangers hsvent learnt a thing from whatd happened. Rishi has 2 options, do a Starmer and purge the loony tunes element or limp on trying to hold it all together as it turns to dust in his hands.
The biggest irony is all this started because Camerloon tried to neutralise the head bangers with the referendum.
Bunch of plastic patriots the lot of them. For all their flag shagging they'd secretly love to see the back of the monarchy.
The monarchy serves as a pretty benign space for crackpot nationalism. If the monarchy were removed then where would all that sentiment and energy migrate ? There's two ways it could go; the development of a socialist utopia, or something else...
If the right identified a social conservatism that could be exploited among red wall voters then just think what they'd do with the millions of disenfranchised royalists.
If rishi purged the loons there would be no one left.
Hilarious that Patel and co think somehow it's all rishi's fault. Yeah it's got nothing to do with her or Boris or the rest of his cabinet of the damned and their general conduct over the past 3 years.
Living on another planet and I can't wait to see the back of them all.
The monarchy serves as a pretty benign space for crackpot nationalism.
And a useful distraction for the republican element to blame for things - win/win
"And a useful distraction for the republican element to blame for things – win/win"
Agreed.
If rishi purged the loons there would be no one left.
Indeed. Boris made sure that anyone who possessed even a hint of sanity was shown the door and then elevated the most extreme fruitloops to the cabinet table in return for their fawning sycophancy.
Now they’re like the Taliban. Individual factions trying to outdo each other with their particular interpretation of right wing idealogical zealotry
Rishi was getting himself in the mood for the general election and to see what he’s got coming by going watching the team he allegedly supports*
The Torygraph put it quite well 😂
https://twitter.com/telefootball/status/1657430370134925315?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
* or more like ‘Dave’Cameron can’t actually remember which one he said it was from one week to the next
Good fun watching the blue wedge - right wing libertarians - who've ruined the country and lined their own pockets. Even my brexity cycling group were moaning about the potholes today.
I'm sure there must be a Jacob! Rees! Mogg! thread but can't be arsed to locate it and we don't need another politics thread on P1 anyway.
But this tickled me. Video is a few tweets down and seems to have upset the minister for the 18th century,because Sebastian looks quite like JRM. But his 'threat' is being ripped to shreds which is ace.
NB vid has the c word. No, not conservative, but similar.
https://twitter.com/mrjimBob/status/1657380304368091141
Ah… the Moggster… champion of free speech… vanquisher of the snowflake cancel culture mob…
Deserves a link me thinks...
I'm calling fake. But an excellent bit of self promotion and marketing.
Looks fake, sadly, though Jim seems to think it's real. Who says Carter aren't relevant any more?
I think it's fake now, but still. Fake news can be weaponised both ways, and my twitter feed has a whole load of RW snowflakes frothing up about it.
And it's a catchy tune!
PMQ's should be worth a listen today. Rishi's off counting his money or splashing about in his pool or something, so Oliver Dowden is standing in for him. Which obviously means Keir will be replaced by Angela Rayner
I almost feel sorry for him. Almost...
Starmer definitely made the right choice when he chose Rayner as deputy.
I'm sure many thought he appointed her to placate the left of the party, (which he might well have done) but unlike Prescott, she's no ornament, she's extremely effective and makes up for Starmer's charisma deficit somewhat.
Though I'm sure they'd disagree over on the Satrmer thread...
Starmer definitely made the right choice when he chose Rayner as deputy.
Sorry to disagree with you... 😉 ...but she was elected by members.
[ and I also think she's great in the role ]
Unlike... (checks Google in disbelief)... Oliver Dowden?!? Or Sunak come to think of it. Neither chosen by party members, or voters more widely.
Though I’m sure they’d disagree over on the Satrmer thread…
We might actually discuss something of substance on the Starmer thread about Rayner's stance on policy rather than banging on about how entertaining it is watching her hurling insults and faux-outrage at public school tory boys. Like why is she so quiet about all the policies Starmer has dumped which she enthusiastically supported and promoted a few years ago? She was an uber flag waver for energy and water nationalisation and the abolition of tuition fees back then. Why has she changed her mind?
OI! Back in your box, you! Off you go to metaphorically shout at buses....
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Why has she changed her mind?
Why will Labour fight the next election on a different platform to the one from 2019? That's what you're asking really. Done to death on the other thread.
Angela Rayner, like others in the party, is hugely limited by what she can say and do, such is the totally undemocratic grip the right-wingers have on Labour.
Starmer definitely made the right choice when he chose Rayner as deputy.
Not only was she elected by the membership, who obviously thought that she would make a good deputy to the man who claimed to be a radical socialist, but Starmer has deliberately sought to neutralise her influence.
Although Starmer has the overwhelming support of the Parliamentary Labour Party, many of whom easily despise Labour Party members more than they do the Tories, Rayner is nevertheless a formidable adversary.
Keir Starmer handed his biggest internal rival, Angela Rayner, a major promotion on Sunday night after a day of fraught negotiations, but sacked his shadow chancellor and promoted his close ally Rachel Reeves to the role, in a move set to further inflame tensions with the party’s left.
The reshuffle of Starmer’s shadow cabinet was derailed by a prolonged standoff with Rayner who was locked in talks with Starmer’s team for hours on Sunday after leaked plans to sack her as party chair and national campaigns coordinator triggered an outcry.
I am surprised that you didn't know that inkster, it was quite a major story.
I agree that Angela Rayner has to a degree sold out, anyone in the upper echelons of Starmer's Labour Party has, but she was elected by the membership and she has one redeeming quality imo, she hasn't forgotten her roots.
You will still see Rayner standing shoulder to shoulder with trade unionists in dispute, and she will willingly speak at events staged by the organised labour movement, things which Starmer would shamefully never consider.
Oh christ! They're all here...
Anyway... Rayner ripping local am-dram theatre director Oliver Dowden a new one should be quite funny 😀
Kelvin, I stand corrected.
dazh,
You've perfectly outlined the reasons that I rate her.
I was about to ask what those members who voted for her think of her now? Thinking that they might have nominated her in the hope that she would use the role to undermine Starmer omce he shifted from his 'pledges' to the membership.
In the event, she hasn't turned out to be Rebecca Wrong Daily 2.0, she's turned out to be a pragmatic and extremely effective sidekick for the boring one.
Why has she changed her mind?... How do we know that she has. What we do know is that she has changed her stance, maybe with an eye on getting the Labour Party into government.
And with the Tory party in utter disarray, she probably figures that a shadow cabinet that looks unified and fit for purpose is more of a vote winner than some silver bullet policy or doubling down on some point of 'principle'.
OI! Back in your box, you! Off you go to metaphorically shout at buses….
As opposed to bashing each other over the head with Malbec - politely.
We might actually discuss something of substance on the Starmer thread about Rayner’s stance on policy rather than banging on about how entertaining it is watching her hurling insults and faux-outrage at public school tory boys. Like why is she so quiet about all the policies Starmer has dumped which she enthusiastically supported and promoted a few years ago? She was an uber flag waver for energy and water nationalisation and the abolition of tuition fees back then. Why has she changed her mind?
You're not going to get that analysis here Daz.
Wonder how many Tory outrage threads there are now?
If Starmer says Labour are now the real Conservatives then surely he ought to be in here really?
If Starmer says Labour are now the real Conservatives then surely he ought to be in here really?
That isn't what he said.
Admit it binners, you knew that simply mentioning Rayner's name would bring all the Starmer thread fan boys to the yard...
Great start....
"Can I welcome yet another deputy prime minister. The third ones a charm. 😂"
Jesus... Dowden is straight on to banging on about Jeremy Corbyn again
That isn’t what he said.
Maybe he should sue the I then.
"Jesus… Dowden is straight on to banging on about Jeremy Corbyn again"
Off to the Starmer thread with him..
Anyone else listen to the speeches at the NatCon conference....?
Surely if more people heard it, they would be scared off by the rhetoric spouted by various Tory MPs.
Lineker was right!
A selection of speeches at the start of the News Agents Podcast. Good episode.
That isn’t what he said.
Maybe he should sue the I then.
And lodge a compliant with the Independent Press Standards Organisation :
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-real-conservatives-keir-starmer-protect-way-life-2337576
Labour are the real conservatives, says Keir Starmer as he promises to protect ‘our way of life'
Although lot of newspapers reported that Starmer said he didn't care if people called him a conservative.
Ah, I see the confusion. From your link...
"The Conservatives can no longer claim to be conservative".
You see the difference, yes?
Some more...
“We can seize the opportunities of tomorrow and make them work for working people. But this ambition must never become unmoored from working peoples’ need for stability, for order, security.”
“We must understand there are precious things – in our way of life, in our environment, in our communities – that it is our responsibility to protect and preserve and to pass on to future generations.”
“And look – if that’s sounds conservative, then let me tell you: I don’t care. Somebody has got to stand up for the things that make this country great and it isn’t going to be the Tories.”
“That in the end is one of the great failure of the last 13 years. A Tory Party that in generations past saw itself as the protector of the nation and the union has undermined both. They’ve taken an axe to the security of family life, trashed Britain’s reputation abroad, and totally lost touch with the ordinary hope of working people.”
“The Conservative Party can no longer claim to be conservative.”
“It conserves nothing we value – not our rivers and seas, not our NHS or BBC, not our families, not our nation.”
Anyway, a useful conversation for the other thread. I won't add to the take over of this thread with any further comment on this here.
The Conservatives can no longer claim to be conservative“.
You see the difference, yes?
Wow, some desperate straw clutching going on there!
Obviously the Labour Party cannot be the real "Conservative Party" as that is a separate and different political party!
According to the i newspaper Starmer said that Labour are 'the real conservatives', and that he doesn't mind being called a conservative.
That is what is being pointed out, nothing more.
And yes it is totally relevant to this thread. This thread about the current Tory leader was started over a year ago, nowhere in its 68 pages has it been suggested that the problem with the Tory Party is that they are not real conservatives.
Now the leader of the Labour Party has suggested precisely that.
So is Rishi Sunak, to bring the thread firmly back onto the subject matter, a real conservative or not? The Labour leader doesn't think he is.
What conservative values should we be looking for, from a Labour Party perspective?
We might actually discuss something of substance on the Starmer thread about Rayner’s stance on policy rather than banging on about how entertaining it is watching her hurling insults and faux-outrage at public school tory boys.
Dowden isn't a posh boy. So we had the spectacle of two working class sell-outs slagging each other off. Still, it provided some folk here with some entertainment to accompany their organic tapas.
Im not sure if the NatC party conference needs its own thread- maybe the Braverman one
but its wild that Sunak has lost control so much that this is being allowed to happen this in summary of yesterday was brilliant
https://thecritic.co.uk/tory-trolling/
and already today weve had Starkey managing to be as offensive as he can manage about both slavery & the holocaust and we have even had the grand finale from 30p Lee yet!
So many Starkey quotes from the National Conservative rally today that send a chill down your spine... hard to pick one... but I'll go with...
"They do not care about black lives. They only care about the symbolic destruction of white culture."
...I wonder if Sunak will row back on supporting his ministers attending this event?
So many Starkey quotes from the National Conservative rally today that send a chill down your spine
I do wonder if Starkey has always been this batshit but was better at hiding it in the past or if he has just gone off the deep end over time.
…I wonder if Sunak will row back on supporting his ministers attending this event?
Looks like he has decided on the "disagree but personal choice" approach. After all what can he can do about it? Sack them and then do what? Promote one of the backbenchers who attended instead. Unless one of them personally says something he is going to be cautious.
"This thread about the current Tory leader was started over a year ago, nowhere in its 68 pages has it been suggested that the problem with the Tory Party is that they are not real conservatives".
That's because the Tory party abandoned conservatism for ethnic nationalism back in 2016 with the Brexit vote so for many of us, the notion that the Tories aren't conservatives any more has been priced in for some time, (and baked in since 2020).
Still, I admire your ability to scan through and absorb 68 pages of comments in 60 seconds. It also confirms that although you've often responded to mine and others posts, you've obviously never read them but I'll indulge you one more time:
"What conservative values should we be looking for, from a Labour Party perspective?"
Respect for Parliament and the rule of law. I'll leave it at that.
Aren’t you meant to manning a barricade somewhere comrade?
It's touching that you took time out from well-remunerated crayoning to recycle one of your very small stock of pictures.
Still, I admire your ability to scan through and absorb 68 pages of comments in 60 seconds.
LOL! That is absolutely brilliant
....are you really suggesting that the only way I can be sure that no one has suggested that the problem with the Tory Party is that they are not real conservatives is by scanning the last 68 pages?!?! 😂🤣
I can assure you that if anyone had posted drivel like that previously it would have come to my and other people's attention.
Starmer struck a new low for Labour by claiming that Labour are better conservatives than the Tories. Predictably people like you and Kelvin fully back this nonsense despite never having made that claim before Starmer did.
You even claim that, quote, "respect for Parliament and the rule of law" is a conservative value. It most certainly is not. Social-democracy, for example, also respects Parliament and the rule of law, conservatives do not have ownership of these values.
Try to come up with specific conservative values which you believe that the Labour Party should now embrace.
That’s because the Tory party abandoned conservatism for ethnic nationalism back in 2016 with the Brexit vote
So now that Starmer backs brexit does that mean he is also supporting "ethnic nationalism"?
Wtf is ethnic nationalism btw? Is Britian no longer a multi-ethnic society because of brexit?
Mustn't respond,
mustn't respond,
mustn't respond....
Anyhow, interesting article in the G today from Owen Jones. He's hoping for a hung parliament so that a Lib Lab pact could have another stab at electoral reform, something he thinks unlikely if Labour were to win outright.
I'd be happy with that.
Mustn’t respond,
mustn’t respond,
mustn’t respond….
I think it is fair to say that posting that ^^ is very much responding.
But in such a way which actually betrays the fact that you can't explain why the Tories are ethnic nationalists for supporting brexit but Starmer isn't an ethnic nationalist for supporting brexit.
Well to be fair how could you?
Sunak campaigned for Brexit, he wanted it.
Starmer campaigned against Brexit, he warned against it.
It’s happened.
Now we need someone to sort the shit out. Fun job. I wouldn’t want it.
Deciding not to fight the next election on a rejoin platform is not the same as backing Brexit.
It is exactly the same. The end result is no different. Why do you think it is different?
I am starting to realise that for some people the problem isn't Tory policies and values at all. It turns out that Tory policies and values are fine just as long as they are supported by the Labour Party. It is some sort of weird football type tribalism.
And then they wonder why voters are so cynical.
Are we back to you responding by saying that you are not going to respond Kelvin?
Deciding not to fight the next election on a rejoin platform is exactly the same as backing Brexit.
If you don't agree then perhaps explain why. Responding by saying you are not going to respond is pretty pointless.
So we're back to a long spiel about how you're not going to respond. Jolly good.
https://labour.org.uk/press/keir-starmer-sets-out-labours-5-point-plan-to-make-brexit-work/
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It is exactly the same
For someone into politics you seem to know very little about it 🙂
Well I might not know much but still enough I reckon to understand that:
"Keir Starmer sets out Labour’s 5-point plan to Make Brexit Work"
doesn't sound like Starmer isn't supporting brexit. I suspect most voters would also see it like that.
Edit: I have just realised that the Labour Party website even uses capital letters in "Make Brexit Work", it is almost as if they want it to be a three word Labour election slogan!🙂
As we've said before, Starmer is in an inescapable position.
It's like football fans screaming SHOOT at the striker when he cam see that he has limited options and needs to execute a complex play to actually make an attempt on goal. You can't always slot it in the top corner from the edge of the box.
he can see that he has limited options
I am not criticising Starmer's position on brexit! I am just pointing that it is now fundamentally exactly the same as the Tories - the UK isn't going to rejoin the EU and, let's "Make Brexit Work".
It is some sort of weird football type tribalism.
I refer you to my post yesterday about this very subject. I have a centrist friend (not binners BTW) who doesn't stop banging on about Labour needing to replace the tories, but when I ask her what the point is if Labour won't do anything different her answer is 'who cares, it's just better under Labour!'. Personally I think it's worse. Much as I hate the tories I at least know not to expect anything different. Under a Labour govt though all I feel is frustration and disappointment.
https://twitter.com/J_MoAGoGo/status/1658815528817836034?t=4cHt04H6YvUJlTl0fO6heg&s=19
These dirty bastards.
Because they can't get inflation under control - it's now your fault you greedy peasants.
I don't know how they dare.
They wreck the economy between them, increase the money for interest income and asset holders then turn around and blame the worker for inflation that was caused by external influences.
Neoliberalism at its finest.
Andrew Bailey earns 575,000.
Heres something for your other shoulder. Balance you out a bit…
More pictures! I guess they help if you find words too difficult.
As we’ve said before, Starmer is in an inescapable position.
So was Corbyn. This wasn't recognised by many people on here.
Let's face it Starmer is given slack to be as right wing as he wants to by the same people that simply didn't want Corbyn in power.
They believe the person is the problem not the policies.
Which is why a thread on Tory outrage is perfect because you don't really see discussion about Starmer pushing back on Tory ideals.
Okay that's fine - but don't ever expect change to problems intrinsic to the current system.
We've moved from being a Tory is the worst thing ever to Starmer needs to be a bit of a righty to gain power; to yeah Starmer is correct to keep things in private hands.
The slavish support of Capitalism delivering fail after fail is mind-blowing.
I know it's not going to happen but I would absolutely piss myself if Sunak tried to take us back in somehow. Liberals would be in tatters.
Oh and before you start Binners - bog off, I want to discuss politics not exclude leading politicians from debate just because you can't cope with a bit of criticism of your Centrist pin ups.
Absolute genius idea to send Green out to defend the governments sewage policy....
https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1658952110417891332?t=ZZK86g0ECNFXQ1cJZTkvuQ&s=19
Polio, rickets, outside toilets, and sub-50 life expectancy used to be the norm, but for some reason snowflake society finds them less acceptable these days.
Swimming around in shit never did me any harm!
Anyway... this Rishi Sunak bloke? The one the thread is meant to be about?... this is a good article about by Rafeal Behr about Sunaks weakness and thus his inability, or unwillingness, to take on the utter headbangers, led by Braverman, This means he's totally snookered himself as he can't do anything that he actually needs to do because they'll all soil their petticoats in outrage.
So Suella Braverman and the 'National Conservative' far right nutjobs are already effectively running the country, and doesn't she bloody well know it! PM in all but name.