They should get Chris Grayling on the case. I’m sure he could manage to give some airline a couple of hundred million before finding out they don’t actually have any planes
The more the petulant little dweeb stamps his feet and insists that flights will soon be taking off to Rwanda, the more convinced I am that it’ll never happen
It was always a ludicrous, unworkable piece of nonsense anyway, so seems a bizarre alter to sacrifice your political career on
Sunak really is clueless, isn’t he?
All Rishi's little speech says to me, and I'm sure many other voters, is... "Look how much time, effort and money we're wasting to deal with 10 or so people... while we are doing nothing to deal with your health concerns, your belt tightening... and everything else you can see we've ****** up... shit everywhere and we have airports on standby and flights waiting... millions of pounds spent... for a handful of poor souls."
All Rishi’s little speech says to me
Worryingly, even Richard Tice was pointing that out on last weeks QT
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All Rishi’s little speech says to me, and I’m sure many other voters, is… “Look how much time, effort and money we’re wasting to deal with 10 or so people… while we are doing nothing to deal with your health concerns, your belt tightening… and everything else you can see we’ve ****** up… shit everywhere and we have airports on standby and flights waiting… millions of pounds spent… for a handful of poor souls.”
Reminds me of when I get a bit of "target fixation" on something. Completely consumed by the hunt for a creak on a bike or tearing the house apart to find a lost remote control or whatever.
Utterly consumed by it but whether I find it or not, I then sit down and have to remind myself that in the grand scheme of things, its nothing** and no one cares a sod about it apart from the weird obsession in my mind.
This is going to come back and bite Sunak. Sending a few people back at huge cost is going to expose it as the ideological sham it always was.
** I'm not inferring that sending vulnerable people to Rwanda is nothing of course.
It's just going to be one nasty thing after another now. The Lords have backed down on Rwanda (although there's still the challenge of actually getting flights sorted and - oh yes, Rwanda sold off the housing that was supposed to be used for the refugees...)
And this one seems to have been quietly slipped into the recent "I'll be ending the sick note culture" crusade that he's embarked on. 🤬
What a horrible and nasty Government we have now. No compassion. No thought that some people might need a bit of help. Just vindictive bullying throughout.
What a horrible and nasty Government we have now. No compassion. No thought that some people might need a bit of help. Just vindictive bullying throughout.
and yet 1 in 4 people in the polls say they’ll vote for them, privately probably more. Makes you think…
It’s just going to be one nasty thing after another now.
Indeed.
Now that they’ve over-ridden all the legal process that should be a given in a democracy to tell us that, by law, Rwanda is now a safe country and black is in fact white, expect lots more of that
Next in their sights is dispensing with medical professionals altogether and using medically unqualified private companies to declare who is sick and disabled (nobody) and who isn’t (everybody)
…and that’s just the first that they’ve told us about
I despise this bunch of ghouls
Ironic news to wake up to on St. Georges Day.
Apparently this bill is ‘profoundly moral and patriotic’ 🙄
and yet 1 in 4 people in the polls say they’ll vote for them, privately probably more. Makes you think…
Yes, a large majority of UK voters are selfish, vindictive and often unable to rationally analyse what's actually going on.
Only positive is that it's come down from it's highpoint of 2016, #52% 🙂
At work they're big with their supporting the community & charity Give-A-Day including the usual company sponsorship; a couple of years ago when they were having a "what good could we do?" type meeting/session my suggestion of "Not Voting Tory" didn't go down well.
I'm desperately trying to claw some kind of cynical amusement out of this latest milestone in the UK's slide into right wing extremism.
I think if anything it is something along the lines of.
Small boat arrivals are already up 24% on last year. The policy simply will not work as a deterrent. If, say, the final figure for arrivals ends up at +15% on 2023 - we will have some fun pointing at the ministers trotted out to say "+15% is better than +24%". TBH, I think it will still be +20% or more. The policy is already a vastly costly failure. Monetarily, reputation-wise and arrivals-wise.
But Rishi's contempt for the electorate leads him to believe that one plane taking off will win him back a swathe of voters from Reform or those who weren't going to vote at all. And he's probably right, sadly.
The illegal immigration minister, Michael Tomlinson is on radio 4. What an absolute blustering half-wit he is
Despite trying to give no detail away about how the scheme will work (doubtless as there isn’t any) he let slip that they haven’t actually trained the staff who will be assessing who is deported and it doesn’t sound like they have actually got any airline prepared to trash its reputation by working with them.
I still firmly believe that, mainly due to government incompetence, not a single asylum seeker will ever end up in Rwanda
I’m not convinced they we’re ever meant to. This is just an exercise in performative cruelty to appeal to the vile people who make up their core vote and to further fuel their culture war narrative
But Rishi’s contempt for the electorate leads him to believe that one plane taking off will win him back a swathe of voters from Reform or those who weren’t going to vote at all. And he’s probably right, sadly.
I doubt Sunak believes that. He is just pandering to his most nutty mps so he can stay in power.
Some of them may believe that but I suspect many are just turds.
Yes, a large majority of UK voters are selfish, vindictive and often unable to rationally analyse what’s actually going on.
They mostly aren't selfish and vindictive, just dim, easily swayed by emotional arguments and as you say, not able to think rationally.
This is just an exercise in performative cruelty to appeal to the vile people who make up their core vote and to further fuel their culture war narrative
The 2nd part to this, probably knowing they're going to get panned in the GE, is setting the next mob up for a good kicking if they try to undo/overturn any or all of the vile policies being forced through. Builds their attack for next time around.
Absolutely. People will keep trying to get here to claim asylum, just like they do all around the world. And when that doesn't end, then the disingenuous claim will be that it is because we're not making a song and dance about deporting people without processing their claims...
A summary of every Rishi public speech so far:
Most of the decent and rational Parliamentarians are now in a place which normally you'd say shouldn't exist in a modern democracy.
https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1782498901376877032
The legislation does not stand up to any kind of scrutiny. It declares as safe - in perpetuity - a country which only a few decades ago was in the grip of a genocide, and has no mechanism for reversing that verdict should circumstances change.
As a nation, we are deservedly a laughing stock, and it's still possible that a quasi-dictatorship like Rwanda will demonstrate more respect for international law and human rights by pulling the plug.
It would make me dance for joy if Rwanda now declared themselves 'out' and the policy got shit-canned as a result. Utter humiliation for the horrible people that propose stuff like this or back it.
But the last 8 years have taught me that nice, reasonable things rarely happen since UK politics caught the populism bug.
I'm deeply cynical about the future direction of the UK now this genie has been out of the bottle for so long.
Just imagine how much easier easier and cheaper, safer and legal it would be if we are still in the Dublin Accord
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9031/
Whilst the HoL is ridiculously flawed as a concept, it does still do a better job at challenging poor legislation than it's elected opposite.
Yes, a large majority of UK voters are selfish, vindictive and often unable to rationally analyse what’s actually going on.
Should read:
Yes, a loud minority of UK voters are selfish, unable to rationally analyse what’s actually going on, and have been fortunate to never have needed assistance from the state so cannot empathise with those who do.
Ian Dunt is always worth a read and today’s appraisal is absolutely on the money
Rwanda: A day of shame A national obscenity and an affront to our better nature.
Particularly his denunciation of this nonsense and of Sunak….
What is there to feel better about this morning? Not much, although there is I suppose one small measure of satisfaction. Rwanda will not work. It will not stop the boats. It will not have the capacity to lighten the burden of asylum processing. It was only ever supposed to be one of Boris Johnson's half-arsed wheezes, a clever little culture war trick to sound hard and hateful without any functional element to deliver it. Now, hopeless moral vacuity that he is, Sunak has pinned all his hopes to this plan. His entire election platform rests on this pisspoor little piece of moral brutalism, this theatrical act of cruelty. And as it fails, he will too.
Small assurances. Tiny. But they're all we have, on a bleak and shameful morning.
Why are they dying on this hill?
5 people died in the Channel today and still they are crossing.
The threat of about a 0.06% chance of getting sent to Rwanda is not going to do a thing.
They claim they have an airline, let's wait and see.
Some Tory nobber claiming that Kigali is safer than London today. I've been. If that's the case why does every business, office space, apartment block, hotel, etc. have 8 foot high steel security fences with spikes?
Why do the private security guards outside banks carry pump action shotguns?
and have been fortunate to never have needed assistance from the state so cannot empathise with those who do.
Imagine if they could empathise with the kind of desperation that leads another human to put themselves and their young children onto a fragile bit of rubber and cast off across one of the most dangerous shipping lanes in the world..Most of them wouldn't be prepared to walk to their local supermarket.
Some Tory nobber claiming that Kigali is safer than London today.
That's just another shitty election talking point for them. Two birds with one stone.
Kigali is safer than London today
Why didn't the interviewer challenge that: "you've been in power for 14 years, why have you allowed London to become less safe?"
That is easy, it is all Sadiq Khan's fault.
Ahh... looking for a positive view of this ridiculous policy for, er, balance... the BBC have turned to a right wing Australian politician.
Oh... he's been given a role by our government... great.
Lord Anderson of Ipswich (Crossbench),
Rather bizarrely I used to MTB with him about 10-15 years ago (before he was made a lord), nice bloke and likes his bikes 🙂
I wonder what his username is?
Just watch PMQ's.
Rayner certainly didn't let the current scrutiny cower her!👍
with intellectual titans like this in government its astonishing that the country is in such a mess
https://twitter.com/StephSpyro/status/1783585417243107626?t=-sypkrKvjznTn3OFbHuCGg&s=19
Remember when the Northern Ireland minister said she was genuinely surprised to discover that people in NI voted along sectarian lines?
Or when Brexit Minister Dominic Raab confessed that he hadn’t realised that living on an island we were so dependent on our ports?
A whole different world of stupid.
Its been like one long episode of The Thick Of It for ten years now
That QT clip above. K-rist.
I suppose Philip just had a world map dodging that while region as "here be dragons."
Still, "all politicians are the same", aren't they?🙃
Wes Streeting's face!
Second week running we've had the Labour rep on QT just looking on in pity and bemusement as the Tory rep makes an absolute arse of himself.
https://twitter.com/HindChristopher/status/1783603753125376121
Chris Plilp is playing a blinder on QT. tonight.
Well, if his brief was to make it look like he’s a statistic-spouting droid, totally devoid of a single shred of compassion, empathy or human decency, defending a clueless multimillionaire who hasn’t got a ****ing clue about the difficulties in real peoples lives
Get back to work you peasants! seems to be the general message
I suppose Philip.....
Sadly Philp is one i short of a Philip.
Although you would think that he might cough up the 50 quid to change his name by deed poll and get himself an extra i.
It would do everyone a favour by making it easier to know how to pronounce his name.
Or alternatively get rid of L
How the **** do you pronounce 'Philp'?
He is my MP btw and despite attending two meetings where he has spoken I still don't know what sound I am supposed to make.