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I'm well aware that locals don't translate directy to GE votes*...but it's nice to see the tories pushed back into 3rd place, a sound thrashing by labour and the Liberal democrats.
*although I think it would be unwise to assume a lot of people will also vote the same in a GE.... I think a good portion do, so these are very encouraging figures for anyone who isn't a conservative!
The Lib-Dems have made relativley huge gains!
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@oldnpastit Campaigning against the Manchester CAZ by the look of it.
(Being slightly flippant here but I suspect it’s the same combo of misinformation and astroturfing that’s meant the Manchester CAZ is paralysed)
Can someone tell me why bexhill and Bromley went the way it did?
Thanks
FPTP might save Andy Street’s neck though.
And if it doesn't, according to one senior source, it will all be Hama's fault. .
"Once again Hamas are the real villains."
Hamas certainly have a lot to answer for.
And if it doesn’t, according to one senior source, it will all be Hama’s fault. .
“Once again Hamas are the real villains.”
Labour says it needs to rebuild the trust of Muslim voters
I think Labour needs to get its head out of n********o’s arse if it expects to rebuild the trust
With 11 of the 14 constituencies in London now declared, polls are predicting a fairly comfortable win for Khan with about 44% of the votes vs 33% for Hall. Final count estimated within the next hour.
Words cannot express the relief I feel for that - I don't think some people realise the depths of disaster she'd have been as Mayor.
Absolute relief!
Btw the result reflects the lack of popularity that Khan has, a poll by YouGov a few days ago put Labour's share of the vote in London, in the event of a general election, at 54% to the Tories's 17%
Even when you know something is practically impossible, whatever ‘rumours’ Kuensberg is promoting for the Tories, the nagging doubt – and pure fear of someone like Hall getting elected – is hard to shake.
The Twitter feed of Kuenssberg’s facial contortions as she read out/commented on the tories demise was brilliant, I would post my favourites but I feel I’d get banned as they contain some rather choice remarks
Even when you know something is practically impossible, whatever ‘rumours’ Kuensberg is promoting for the Tories, the nagging doubt – and pure fear of someone like Hall getting elected – is hard to shake.
This is exactly what I was suffering from!
West Midlands mayoral race is looking genuinely close.
Can someone tell me why bexhill and Bromley went the way it did?
Hall: 111,216 votes, Khan: 48,952 votes in Bexley and Bromley.
More prosperous, older, whiter, green and leafy, more car-owning than the London average. This should be a Tory heartland PLUS they've just come into ULEZ PLUS they don't have any tubes so aren't going to be won over by TfL's track record.
@pca 👍
The Green Party's share of the vote in the London mayoral election bucked the national trend and fell by 2%, I think we can safely assume that was due to the dropping of the second choice and the fear a lot of people had that Susan Hall might somehow win.
The Britian First candidate managed to get 0.8% of the vote.
the Tories are in a death spiral, who the **** in CCHQ thought I know let's have that NF lite nutter Susan Hall as our candidate for London Mayor, it really beggars belief the lack of any thinking is mind boggling.
spent the day fixing fencing in the sun, so this has rounded things off nicely!
More prosperous, older, whiter, green and leafy, more car-owning than the London average.
And much less likely to have a non-compliant car. They aren't the only area without the tube, plus we generously allow them to access Croydon trams, which was the brainchild of the Labour Party in Croydon.
I suspect that the real problem with Bexley and Bromley residents is that they don't like the jihadists running London.
The Britian First candidate managed to get 0.8% of the vote.
The loathsome Reform guy, Howard Cox (the fruitloop behind Fair Fuel UK and a couple of other pro-driver astroturfing Twitter feeds) got 3.2%.
A lot of analysis saying that the Tories basically ran an anti-Khan campaign rather than a pro-Tory one and there's a limit to how far you can go with that. Hall got reported to the Electoral Commission more than once for outright lies during her campaign although I'm not sure they ever did anything about it.
Even the Fail are describing it as a trouncing! though the brexit bugle are going with Hall flops despite huge ULEZ backlash 😕
Yeah, but no-one shills for the tories quite like a Kuenssberg backed into a corner
Andy comfortably re-elected for a third term in Manchester with another huge majority, 63% of the vote. Steve Rotherham the same in Liverpool.
Looks like Andy Street is about to lose in the West Midlands too. This just gets worse and worse for the Lil Fella, bless him 😂
Good to see that all the Mayoral candidates who made “car is king “ a key issue in their campaign (including in my North East) has come a complete cropper.
If Starmer’s relationship with Khan is affecting Khan’s popularity with Londoners it is likely to be because Khan is seen as being too close to Starmer.
I don't have an opinion on that, I just think that Starmer might show Khan the loyalty he seems to demand from everyone else.
I think if Andy Street loses it might be the straw that breaks the camel's back as far as MPs backing Rishi is concerned. Ben Houchen winning and hanging onto Harlow Council is not enough good news to take back to the troops.
Looks like Street might just sneak it in West Midlands......given that he openly dropped 'Conservatives' from his brand then it's hardly much of a win for the Tories.
Khan made some barbed references to the continual negative campaigning against him in his winning speech.
I wonder what the spin will be during the next week on these results...
@neilthewheel It looks like almost everyone who stood on an explicitly anti-LTN/anti-cycling infra didn’t benefit - either no rise in support or lost. Reinforces the message that supporting this stuff isn’t a vote loser (and someone in S Manchester who stood on an explicitly pro-LTN platform doubled his vote).
Ha ha ha ha haaaaaa!
Back of the ****ing net!!
Has Parker beaten Street? Not seen anything official yet?
https://go.walsall.gov.uk/newsroom/declaration-result-west-midlands-mayoral-election-borough-walsall
Akhmed Yakoob came third and took over 8k votes
It's Hamas what dunnit.
Has Parker beaten Street? Not seen anything official yet
Oh yes
So many chickens, so many roosts
So in London, the Tories based their whole campaign on their surprise holding of that seat in a by election that was put down to an anti ULEZ vote.
Oh dear.
This does however give you an idea of how nasty the GE campaign will be. I'll be staying away from everything online apart from here and the Beeb.
I am still predicting violence over the GE.
Labour have posted a "victory pic" of the candidate and a local MP cheering in W Midlands.
It's looking good.
https://www.wmcaelects.co.uk/results/
No idea why this contradicts the previous link. Can anyone explain?
Edit: No need - I didn't pay attention to the title! The previous link was just for the Borough of Walsall
The previous link was just Walsall's results not the whole of the CA.
Could we see a lab/Lib coalition in the next general election?
I suspect probably not. Either Lab will have an outright majority, or they’ll form a minority government.
Not sure the LD membership are up for the fallout after a coalition again, and I don’t think Lab will be willing to pay the price of coalition ie. constitutional reform.
GBNews on X are having a frothers event it seems.
It's a feeding frenzy online of people dining on sweet, sweet Far Right Racist Tears for they have the sweetest taste.
Fat free too.
Only note of concern about Street losing is that he’d promised £20/head funding for active travel (which is a lot) and Parker comes across as lukewarm at best https://betterstreetsforbirmingham.org/where-do-the-mayoral-hopefuls-stand-on-transport-and-road-safety
Street massively downplayed his Torydom and the association still probably tainted him.
Street, like Ben Houchen, was "Tory-lite". And actually, in spite of being a Tory - or at least a fringe Tory, he was a pretty decent guy, pro-active travel at any rate.
I think the reason it was so close was precisely because he was Tory-lite. If he'd have been full-on Tory, it'd have been a done deal a long time ago, he'd have been trounced!
If he’d been a full on Tory, he wouldn’t have got a second term, and if it had been 1st/2nd prefs he might have been OK.
almost everyone who stood on an explicitly anti-LTN/anti-cycling infra didn’t benefit – either no rise in support or lost.
Which goes to show how much they’ve lost the plot (or are just desperate to hold onto their core voters), as apparently low traffic and pedestrian friendly measures are popular pretty much across the spectrum of voters outside of the headbangers.
There's a small risk that the Tories will learn from this and adopt better policies in time for the GE. A small one, but still.
@Kramer Definitely. I don’t know whether Street proves that making AT a main plank of your platform doesn’t work either though, or whether he’s been doomed by association with Sunak’s government.
@molgrips Braverman has already been out saying they weren’t right wing enough, despite all the evidence. Still, the knives are apparently being sharpened and hopefully Sunak will call a GE rather than fight a leadership challenge.
I think that Street did comparatively well rather than badly because of his active travel policy.
That’s probably true, the problem is that it might not be interpreted that way. And as above, with the exception of five independents in Oxford (where there were apparently other factors in play eg Gaza protest vote) no-one won in the locals on an anti-AT platform.
Britain First not taking the loss to Khan and Binface well it seems.
Interesting and worrying to see the whole MAGA influence gaining ground. "Khan won due to voter fraud/postal votes."
The far right racists only like democracy in one direction.
Huge swings to the Lib-Dem's, though....
This is not a victory for labour, it's simply a defeat for exteme right wing parties.
Huge swings to the Lib-Dem’s, though….
Where was this?
@ mattyfez
I think it is a victory for Labour to be honest. These elections weren't really in the areas Libdems do really well in by their own admission.
That doesn't mean the rest of what you say isn't correct though, as yes, this was a fight against the far right.
Id have no issues with a Labour/ Libdem government by the way. I just mean to say I'm not anti Libdem. Quite the opposite.
Local to Teeside (well 20 miles) and i can't get my head around Ben Houchens win. He has given away millions of public money to his mates, failed to turn Teeside Airport around, free ports are bollocks real deprivation and child poverty at record levels, almost certainly created an ecological disater with dredging. I mean even North Yorkshire voted for a Labour mayor. Smoggies are a strange lot.
Worked with Andy Street at John Lewis on quite a few things from manufacturing to retail down the years. Nice guy.
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Worked with Andy Street at John Lewis on quite a few things from manufacturing to retail down the years. Nice guy.
It was nice to see him give Street a genuine thanks for his service to the area. Politics doesn't have to be the shit fest it now is.
It was nice to see him give Street a genuine thanks for his service to the area. Politics doesn’t have to be the shit fest it now is.
Agreed. ^^
Andy Street is actually a decent politician and a good man. I think he's done alright for the West Midlands and he at least conducted his campaign in a proper manner (unlike Susan Hall for example).
I'm not even going to bother trying to correct my typo.
Politics doesn’t have to be the shit fest it now is.
Exactly.
It doesn't but it is.
It doesn’t but it is.
And yet West Mids showed it doesn't have to be. Andy Street gave a gracious speech. Richard Parker genuinely praised the former Mayor, recognising his efforts and successes.
It was politics put aside for the benefit of the West Midlands. I think Andy's only downfall was his (fairly arms length) association with the Tories because in all other respects, he is a genuinely good person, the sort that actually goes into politics for the right reasons. I think Andy and Richard would make a good team - they both care deeply about their area and want the best for West Midlands.
Compare and contrast with the vile little witch in London who gave a rude, patronising and graceless speech.
All over England
Well I guess it depends what you call "a huge swing". The LibDems did increase their vote slightly in the London Mayoral election but it was still less than 6%
In Liverpool the LibDem vote fell, and in the Manchester mayoral election the LibDems came in 6th, behind the Greens.
Overall across England the LibDem vote was I think up no more than 1% up from the comparable 2021 local elections. I wouldn't really call that a huge swing.
The LibDems need the votes in the right seats to gain councillors (and soon hopefully MPs). National vote share not really key for them right now.
You can torture the stats all you like...
The numbers speak for themselves.
Andy Street is actually a decent politician and a good man. I think he’s done alright for the West Midlands and he at least conducted his campaign in a proper manner (unlike Susan Hall for example).
I mean hes better than Hall, but . ....
No regrets on backing Liz Truss by Mayor Andy Street
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/it-didnt-need-like-this-2531387
The numbers speak for themselves.
It doesn't mention a swing at all, never mind a "huge swing".
I am perfectly willing to accept that the LibDems did well on Thursday, they got about 17% of the vote, but that is very similar to what they got in the 2021 local elections, there is no evidence of a huge swing.
It widely accepted that the LibDems will probably at least double their number of MPs at the next general election even if their vote stays about the same as it was at the last general election, so it won't necessarily represent a huge swing.
A point worth remembering if you want to talk about 'torturing stats'
Yes the Tories did very badly on Thursday compared to the 2021 local elections when they came first. But the LibDems did about the same - they got 17% in 2021
This doesn't however mean that the LibDems will get 17% in the coming general election, I don't think any general election opinion poll in the last ten years has put the LibDems on that level of support.
They are therefore very unlikely to become the official opposition in parliament.
I don't know how you can talk about the Tories so badly in the next general election that they will come third whilst further up this page you are suggesting that Labour might need to form a coalition with the LibDems. Make your mind up!
Remember kids, when in a hole, keep digging until you get out.
https://twitter.com/alexmassie/status/1786881664049660013
Here is the full article:
There are some right gems but I think this is probably my favourite:
"But all is not lost. The public are not rushing to vote for Sir Keir, though they feel sorely let down by us."
There was a by-election on Thursday which Labour won with a 26.3 percent swing – the third largest margin from the Conservatives to Labour at a by-election since World War II.
A 26.3% swing to Labour isn't anything to write home about, eh?
*Edited with correct link*
Not much to report about for the Mail on Sunday. 😉
AS certainly needs better taste in men!