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Not seen this for a while and never on this NEW forum...
Sorry by the way...
Yes, it will.
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Yes. I mean no. Yes. No.
Yes. Absolutely. Yes. Actually, No. Yes, No.
Yes, but the wheels will go round faster or summink.
No no no no no no no....
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Not this. Not again. No. Please....
Depends on how you word the question.
how powerful is the plane?
Is it an African plane or a European one 😐
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This has been on the tv programme "Myth Busters" They fixed a massive piece of papaer to the back of a car, with a remote control plane on it. The car set off and got some speed up and the plane took off.
Thread closed!!!!!!!!!!! I bet its not!!!!!!!!! 😳 🙄 😯 🙂
Is it sharp?
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What about a helicoptor on a turntable?
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WELL?
Edit: beaten by WCA!
If its on a conveyer belt then it must still be in the factory, so its not finished yet. It will fly, but not yet. Patience is whats required
jet enngine or turbo prop ??????
I can't believe I've never heard this argument before! Which way is the conveyor going. Is the aircraft powered or not?
Scenario 1. ac not powered but conveyor moving it quickly enough through the air to create lift then it will take off, then stall.
Scenario 2 ac moving under its own power at the same speed that the conveyor moves in the opposite direction. No air over wings, no lift, no take off.
I live next to 2 airfields and know lots of aerospace engineers so i obviously know what I'm on about. If you disagree with me you will feel my rock and power washer.
Either you're a poor troll Devs, or.......
Devs - you've got to assume the brakes are off and they are frictionless... actually, i'm not even going to go there.
zokes - MemberEither you're a poor troll Devs, or.......
zokes, how did you work that one out, he's the first person on this thread to speak any real sense (though in fairness, he could have worded what he said a bit better).
AIR SPEED over the planes wings is ALL THAT MATTERS, the wheels on a plane are totally unconnected to the planes ability to get airborne. Conveyor belt moving at 200mph in a normal atmospheric environment (ie. not a vacuum) will result in enough air speed over the wings of most planes to make them take off, though if the engines aren't running, it will stall and hit the ground.
Regarding helicopter on a turntable. Well, even at 78rpm it's not likely. I'd much rather be the pilot in the plane on the conveyor belt than the poor dizzy bastard in the helicopter! 😉
How about a pogo stick on a bouncy castle?
devs... it's a conveyor that matches the plane speed in the opposite direction, so your scenario 2. Unfortunately you are wrong in that you think it won't take off though.. 😀
mboy... so certain again huh? 😉
Good grief
The world is flat! Flat I tell thee!
There are some thick ****s in this world.
It's just like driving your car and the steering wheel coming off. We all know this thread is going to be painful, but we're in it and we're just going to have to wait for the sickening crunch. 😉
Some people don't seem to have noticed my first reply. So, I'll repeat it:
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devs... it's a conveyor that matches the plane speed in the opposite direction, so your scenario 2. Unfortunately you are wrong in that you think it won't take off though.. [:D]
It won't. The ac is standing still with regards to the air. It has no airspeed. There is no air [1] going over the wings to provide any lift so it cannot take off.
[1] Except for maybe some prop wash but this alone is not enough to make a plane take off otherwise they would be capable of vertical take off from a standing start.
It takes off!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Devs, seriously, it will.
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There're [url= http://www.google.com/search?q=plane+conveyor+belt ]lots of explanations on the web as to why it will take off[/url]. There's a [url=
of a model airplane on a conveyor belt, which takes off[/url]. [url= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YORCk1BN7QY ]Mythbusters made what was in essence a giant conveyor belt from which a plane took off[/url].
Why do people insist on arguing that it won't take off?
miketually.. it's because they 'know' better than everyone else of course... 😀
Or because they live near an airfield and so know lots of pilots?
Having read up on this now. If the wheels were frictionless i.e. the ac stood still if the conveyer moved backwards then the ac could take off put that is not how the question is worded. Forward speed does not equal conveyor speed in that case. To all the nay sayers take a kite down the park and run with it till it takes off. Then go down the gym and run on a running machine with the kite. When it takes off come back here and post the results.
The wheels don't really need to be frictionless - that's just to avoid people saying [i]"Ah.. but if the conveyor belt was going backwards at an infinite speed then the friction alone would be enough to hold back the plane"[/i]
In reality, with an actual plane and an actual conveyor belt as long as a runway it would easily take off.
go down the gym and run on a running machine with the kite
"go down the gym and run on a running machine with a kite that has jet engines attached to it"
Fixed that for you. 🙂
If the forward speed equaled the conveyor speed, then if the aeroplane is stationary, then so is the conveyor. For the conveyor to have any speed at all, then the aircraft must have forward speed...
If the aircraft has forward speed, then it must be moving through the air...
Now follow that through.
As for the attempted kite analogy, well, unfortunately it's incorrect.
D- (must try harder) 😉
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Of course not. The wings would hit the uprights on the treadmill.
Yes, so long as:
- the plane is capable of taking off on a normal run way
- the converyor belt isn't going so fast that the friction in the landing gear wheel bearings prevents the plane reaching its min speed for take off.
(- the plane doesn't hit the treadmill uprights as per 5th elefant 😉 )
Blimey - haven't heard this one before but it's amazing how confused people can get themselves on something relatively straight forward. "Wood" and "trees" spring to mind.
Oh, and yes it would take off 😉
this has confused me for years.
i just 'got it' thanks to GrahamS' point about the conveyor needing to be as long as the runway
boy do i feel stupid
OK, I think I get this....the question is written such that it makes you reason that the plane will remain stationary.
But actually it says that the plane will [b]move[/b] at a certain speed in one direction, while the conveyor will [b]move[/b] in the opposite direction at the same speed. So, both the plane and the conveyor are moving in opposite directions down the runway.
It's all about RELATIVE velocity.
To an observer on the ground in between the two vehicles, they are both going at takeoff speed, but in opposite directions. However, an observer on the pick-up truck is stationary RELATIVE to the truck and will see the plane move away from him at 2x the takeoff speed; hence it can takeoff.
If the question was worded so that the pilot applied the normal power required for takeoff speed to be attained and the pick-up truck drove at takeoff speed in the opposite direction, then the plane would remain stationary, as all the thrust is going into pushing the plane at +v m/s but the conveyor is cancelling that out with it's -v m/s.
stumpy... you were so so close, but then you mucked it all up in the last paragraph...
If the question was worded so that the pilot applied the normal power required for takeoff speed to be attained and the pick-up truck drove at takeoff speed in the opposite direction, then the plane would remain stationary, as all the thrust is going into pushing the plane at +v m/s but the conveyor is cancelling that out with it's -v m/s.
You were doing so well up until that last paragraph. The extra power needed from the plane is minimal, just enough to overcome the slight increase in friction in the wheel bearings.