[Closed] Rifle Shooting / Marksmanship

Google?

nope, I don't use it, google is not the answer, its a large corporation that runs a search engine fronting a large advertising business and I also object to it's take on privacy.

Most towns have a local shooting club, contact http://www.nsra.co.uk/, they may well be able to help...

[i]nope, I don't use it, google is not the answer, its a large corporation that runs a search engine fronting a large advertising business and I also object to it's take on privacy.[/i]

Not even for 'educational' material?

join the army.

Use Yahoo then.

Just because i care xxx

[url] http://www.nsra.co.uk/index.php?option=com_sobi2&catid=55&Itemid=94 [/url]

Yahoo are about as crooked, if you're looking for a search engine you could try:

http://www.ixquick.com/uk/

or if you must query the googlebeast try here: http://www.scroogle.org/scraper.html

both don't profile you then sell the results to who ever wants it.

hmm, I'm not interested in Air rifle so the nsra's local suggested club is out 🙁

oh well, I'll pop in to the local gunshop and ask them.

edit: ah! Devizes! I used to shoot there! I'll give them a call!

cheers 🙂

Shooting gallieries? Plenty, round here.

Guns? We gots them too!

I woon't mind getting into shooting, as I've done it once or twice before, and find it very therapeutic.

Yeah, that's the best bet...gunshops might be better than the local supermarket 😉

I used to do rifle range shooting but found it dull and lacking the adrenaline of that game shooting gave me.
Guess it's the same as putting me on a road bike.........

What calibre is used in target shooting? Is it .22? And what's the muzzle velocity of target rifles like? Or the power measurement thingy, whatever it's called? Is it not muzzle velocity, no?

I ask this, as I've only ever fired 6.5mm 'hunting' rifles, in Norway. **** me, the recoil could break yer shoulder, if you're not ready for it! Mind, I spose something that's meant to penetrate the chest wall and heart of an animal like a Moose would have to be bloody powerful.

"What calibre is used in target shooting? Is it .22? And what's the muzzle velocity of target rifles like? Or the power measurement thingy, whatever it's called? Is it not muzzle velocity, no?

my dad uses all sorts. 17rem, 222, 22-250, 243, 25-06, 22-ppc, 6mm-ppc, 308.
bullet weights 24grain for the 17. 55-80 for the 22's/.243.
i think some ranges have a muzzle energy limit? but i know people shoot 7mm so it must be quite high?
velocity had nothing to do with it. the .17 does 4100fps and the 22-250 nearly as fast but the energy is a lot lower than the bigger calibers.

Grassy knolls? Clock towers? Washington petrol stations? The world's your oyster!

Ta MrSmith- blimey, that's a bit confuddling!

I once fired an old rifle that had belonged to a Norwegian Resistance fighter. Naively, I asked what the deep notches on the butt were...

Kind of weird, holding something that has been used as an instrument of Death. Really made me think about stuff.

it's not confusing .17 - 7mm are allowed.
the only confusing bit is the mixture of imperial and metric measurement for bore diameter.

second the army lol ive done marksman and sniper courses tho i think your a bit TOO nuts 🙂

Smallbores (.22) for target shooting don't really recoil. I've been told I'm not allowed to play with the Fullbore rifles (7.62 calibre I think?) though cos the guys don't want to break me. (I'm only small).

I was "dishonorably discharged" from the army cadets!

to be honest it wasn't really all down to me, I think a degree of responsibility for your own actions should really be taken, after all its not a particularly clever idea to stand at the business end of a range and attempt a very vocal "full metal jacket bravado" character assassination when the target of said abuse is prone at the working end of said range with a loaded firearm and 100% confident in the knowledge that the other two shots did not miss but actually passed through the same hole. (this was later proved to be the case).

(the rifles were the old 22's, this was pre SA80)

So I took the heal off his boot, I knew what I was doing I saw the shot and I took it.
it didn't break his skin, just clipped the back of his heel. Perhaps it dented his pride.

I think he learnt an important lesson that day, don't insult someone who is pointing a loaded gun at you,
he'd got a little too comfortable in his tiny world of screaming obscenities at kids, he needed to adjust his attitude. 😆

I'd have liked to join the Army but alias my dear wife to be would not be particularly keen on it, I don't think the soldiers life is for me.

@mrnutt

http://www.ssbsa.com/

start with an air rifle and get your shot back and then go to some clubs. when your good enough you need to get yourself a bloody high caleber thing and use that.

(itl cost alot y the way)

If you want to get back into large calibre rifle shooting Bisley is your best place to start (NRA) or search for full bore rifle clubs.
http://www.nsc-bisley.co.uk/common/asp/courses/trs.asp?site=NSC

Its been over 10 years since I used to shoot competitively (have a couple of "national" caps for services competitions) and it was superb fun. Even managed to have a go at .34 pistol competition before the Dunblane kneejerk law took that away as a sporting discipline. I shot for many years in the company of lot of excellent people. And the Summer Imperial meeting at Bisley used to be one of the best weeks of the year. When Im older and more useless Ill probably take it up again while my peers spoil a good walk with golf sticks. It is an expensive pastime though - moreso than bikes I think...

MrMutt - with that attitude to firearms and human life you perhaps shouldn't be trusted with a butter knife, let alone a rifle.

I've been told I'm not allowed to play with the Fullbore rifles (7.62 calibre I think?) though cos the guys don't want to break me. (I'm only small).

I can relate to that. The 6.5mm thing I was using kicked like a mule!

I like the focus aspect of shooting; managing to control your breathing, and getting yer sights all lined up, squeeze...BANG! Like, absolute calm, then the sudden enormous explosion. Really good for concentrating the mind.

Nutt, you are quite possibly criminally insane, and therefore should never be allowed near any weapon.

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He's got you there, Son of Michael Ryan....

[i]I can relate to that. The 6.5mm thing I was using kicked like a mule[/i]

thats just a bad position. A proper, stable, prone position will contain most recoil. The only time I had a problem with recoil was with a muzzle loaded grapeshot gun, standing shot.

I'm working on my hypocrisy, I hope to one day be Prime minister 😉

Flaperon, I was an angst ridden fifteen year old, That was over twenty years ago. I also like to think I learn a little from every mistake I made, I say a little as I'd probably know as much as google if I'd learn more than that! 😀

No, once I'd got used to it, it was fine, Stoner. S'just that first time, when you really don't know how much power such a weapon has. I was firing from a seated position, and learned how to hold the rifle. I had a good teacher. After only a few shots, I was hitting the 10cm centre of a 100m target, which I was well pleased with, and the other people at the range seemed to think was not too shabby, for a beginner!

Fired a 12-gauge once. Accidentally pulled both triggers at the same time. Almost ended up on me arse!

Norwegian hunter bloke:

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If you're in S Wilts there is a club based in Tidworth, I used to be a member till I moved out of the area. Some of those guys were also in Salisbury Vintage Rifle club but I don't know much about them.

I once shot a 44 magnum revolver thing. It was thorougly unpleasant. My Dad described it as being like sitting inside a steel water tank whilst someone hits the outside with a sledgehammer.

Is this thread for real or are you some dumb loner about to shoot anyone in sight when you go to school next week?

Pick another sport like cycling not bloody shooting!

F-ing crazy lot here.

what's wrong with target shooting? to a lot of people riding around the woods going round and round in circles is an odd way to spend a saturday.
just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's wrong.

you sound like the 'dumb loner' who's out of touch with reality.
'F-ing crazy' IMHO.

sure, its got nothing to do with concentration, focus, timing, assessment of conditions, accuracy, technique and talent.

I'm only in it for the psycho rampage element of the discipline.

Speaking as someone who was actually in Hungerford when Michael Ryan decided to flip his lid and go kill crazy, I can safely say that there's not a bone in my body that would wish that experience upon anyone.

Zaskar; I intensly dislike guns, Had one pointed at me, and there are too many about, in the wrong hands.

As well as being instruments of Death, they are also tools, and pieces of sporting equipment, same as a bike, some skis, scuba diving gear, etc.

Why not try a bit of target shooting sometime, and find out what it's all about?

And the OP has already admitted to shooting someone. And explained the context and circumstances.

As I actually know the OP, and have met him several times, I'd hardly consider him to be the next Rambo.

Rambling, he often is.

Me, on the other hand; knowing myself the way I do, I would not have any firearm that could be made active, in my home. I have a very short fuse, at times, and don't trust myself enough. I'd reckon that's quite a responsible attitude.

We're all potential killers. It's about keeping things within a safe, controlled environment, such as a shooting club.

Used to shoot at school (22 and 762), but didn't have any siginifcant talent. It depends on eyesight, and that's a department in which I am lacking, alas.

Tried clay shooting recently. Loved the rhythm of it. Must take it up so I can out posh the golfers at work....

Alright I know I am going off topic a bit but the anti brigade always puzzle me with their logic. How about banning hot hatch backs? More people have been killed by those than guns and I am only including the deliberate deaths. Will they be banned ? No!

I'd ban hot hatches too 🙂

In all seriousness tho, I'd be as happy shooting air rifles as anything else.

airrifles are OK, but you never get the challenge of dealing with odd windy days on the 600m Century range.

Or even shooting over 800, 900 and 1,000 metres with iron sights and hitting an 18" bullseye with a round just going subsonic.

Or the updrafts on "Magpie Alley" (last 5 targets out of the 110ish against the Siberia wood on the Century range at Bisley) which throw your shot upwards for no reason...

so much more to fullbore than just good position and breathing control.

Was in the Cadets when I was 14....at a Roman Catholic boys school. Went on shooting ranges courtesy of the local TA. 😯

Worst recoil I've experienced was with a Browning Hi-Power. The Lee enfield .303 was a close second.

The most pleasant was a Stirling SMG [we were only allowed to fire single shot] :(.

Went clay shooting with a borrowed 12 bore, years back with a friend & his missus's friend's husband and his mates. All from Essex this lot.

The shooting was great fun, but this lot as well as the majority of the other shooters we met, were like proto BNP scum. Extremely unpleasant. After a Saturday in the presence of these room temperature IQ Nazis we were glad to leave.

proto BNP in Essex shocker...

🙂

You lot have made me wanna get a gun and shoot at stuff now....

[nervous twitch]

😉

Opened my eyes, I can tell you.

Spending time in the presence of people afflicted with such an overwhelming sense of self pity coupled with an overdeveloped right of entitlement.

Jeebus.

🙄

Eh?

PP

I was replying to Stoner.

🙂

WWJR - I was listening to a brief radio piece the other day interviewing some people from that northern town where BNP have got a foothold. Quite terrifying.

Oh, sorry. It's early. I should still be asleep.

🙂

I used to be stridently gun control when I was younger, but I'm not so sure anymore...

[i]so much more to fullbore than just good position and breathing control.[/i]

So many jokes, so little time.

MrNutt, There is a smallbore range in Potterne, just outsize Devizes. Probably a good place to enquire about full bore.

"I used to be stridently gun control when I was younger, but I'm not so sure anymore...

no we need gun control. just not the way the government/home office see it.
they have failed to control gun crime that uses illegal weapons yet penalise the legitimate gun owner who poses little threat to the public. there have been 2 horrific incidents in the last 25 years involving high numbers of fatalities these aside you get a fatality once a year involving legally held firearms some of these are accidents some intentional (oddly the same number of fatalities caused by cyclists) yet people are being shot at nearly every day in inner cities with weapons that are smuggled into the country from europe.

it's another government policy failure.

 

Yeah, but by definition the illegal guns are unregistered, so how do you crack down/control on their use?

they have failed to control gun crime

I do disagree - gun crime here is low compared to some other countries. Mainly because guns are really pretty scarce.

Lots of crimes in the US are committed with legally owned firearms.

Yeah, but by definition the illegal guns are unregistered, so how do you crack down/control on their use?

better policing? stricter controls for eastern european imports?

I do disagree - gun crime here is low compared to some other countries. Mainly because guns are really pretty scarce.

Lots of crimes in the US are committed with legally owned firearms.

gun crime is increasing

[i]Detectives in London say that the illegal importation of guns started after the end of the Bosnia conflict and that they are changing hands for as little as £200. During the 10 months to January 31, there were 939 crimes involving firearms in the Metropolitan Police area compared with 322 in the 10 months to the end of January, 2001 - an almost three-fold increase.[/i]

old news but it hasn't gone down since then. i'm not interested in comparing to the U.S. this is the U.K. and illegal gun crime is on the increase and it's down to government policy to change that.
stopping legal fieldsports/target shooting isn't going to achieve this.
i'm not looking for re-election or a cushy diretorship after serving in a corrupt government so i'm not going to spin you any 'policy' that's going to promise utopia, it's up to ministers to come up with the answers that's why they pay themselves so much.