[Closed] Remember my mate who had both cars nicked........

So if I park a nicked car outside your house does that mean you nicked it?

Depends jambo. Are you part of an organised group that are known to the police for stealing cars and have previous.

Rumbled. I'll move the car.

I will also pass on your thoughts to my mate who is now a nervous wreck in his own home.

FFS .......this place sometimes.

Can't see much wrong with a country that requires a reasonable level of evidence to prove someone's guilt.

It's frustrating sometimes, but I'd rather live in a country like that than one which presumes guilt solely on the basis of previous history and circumstantial evidence.

Police spotted my sports car outside a know thiefs house.

However I only found out it had be stolen when I got up the next day. Police went straight round to his house, but my car had gone to be found about 2 hours later dumped and completely smashed up

Police knew the guy had nicked it, but they couldn't knock on the guys door in the night as the car hadn't been reported stolen

<wrings hands>

leeeave it daaarren... etc

Have you not heard..............crime is dropping !

If the morons lose the evidence and there is no conviction then there is no crime.

He has just had a call from the police saying they have let the bloke who nicked it go due to lack of evidence

so lack of evidence that the police who are highly paid failed to find, yet you the freind know for definite, the chap nicked the car, just because it was outside his house, obviously a house with not one neighbour who may have nicked it.

and now he is getting some compensation for possible wrongful prosecution,

Did they (the police) by chance let out said crim's address purely by accident?

Why is this the fault of the police? They don't prosecute - it's the CPS who review the evidence and decide whether a conviction is likely. You wouldn't want them to waste taxpayers money would you?

Project.... As I said the chap has previous and has been done before.

Same mode of entry etc.

The car was found 40 miles away outside this chaps house.

Lots of sympathy on here tonight.

[quote=renton said]Project.... As I said the chap has previous and has been done before.
Same mode of entry etc.
The car was found 40 miles away outside this chaps house.
Lots of sympathy on here tonight.

I have sympathy, I'd rather the police challenge a known car thief and ask him about the car outside his house and seek to prove ownership rather than say "oh yes, we saw that but we didn't do anything about it"

Why is this the fault of the police?

CPS who review the evidence

Who collects the evidence? Not the CPS is it?

Renton, people are sympathetic but, objectively, if there's no direct evidence there can't be a prosecution.

There may be many reasons that he may not have been charged, alas modus operandi is not grounds to charge someone solely..... No additional witness evidence, no DNA or other crime scene evidence........or there maybe an ongoing criminal investigation that involves the whole gang. Believe me the thieving Scroat will be on the radar.......I know from personal experience 😉

But the police failed to find enough evidence to bring a conviction/prosecution, and thats the problem, they either didnt try to hard or lack of staff.

Also how where the cars nicked, hook and cane,keys left on view, cars unlocked with keys in ignition lots of questions and not many answers.

and a chap forced to wear a tag and now being given some compo from the tax payer.

Fitting people up with circumstantial evidence.. What is this, the 70s?

renton, you can't win against the stw moral brigade, save your energy.

No the keys weren't left on show etc.

The car thieves broke into my mates house at 4 in the morning whilst they were all asleep upstairs.

They broke in by removing the kitchen window.

Both sets of car keys were hidden from view.

When the police went round my friends house and saw how the keys were taken this particular chap was mentioned and funnily enough the car was found outside his house.

Well thats what insurance is for then.

When the police went round my friends house and saw how the keys were taken this particular chap was mentioned and funnily enough the car was found outside his house.

So if I park a nicked car outside your house does that mean you nicked it?

Oh Jesus, a new low.

OP: You've picked the wrong time to expect any commonsense from this lot.

It's shit alright but if they could have done him they would. Sooner or later though his luck will run out.

We had a large (expensive) road tow generator stolen, an off duty Policeman walking through a housing estate spotted it stashed in a back garden.

The Police contacted us to ask if it should be there, we told them it had been reported stolen.

The Police returned to the house to find the generator had gone, no further action was taken.

Slightly frustrating to say the least.

Human rights ...

Then insurance claim ...

We are screwed.

renton - Member
Project.... As I said the chap has previous and has been done before.
Same mode of entry etc.
The car was found 40 miles away outside this chaps house.
Lots of sympathy on here tonight.

Lots of sympathy for your mate - not so much for the "This country has gone to the dogs..." rantette.

You hand-wringing liberal ones have, I would guess, never had to try to go to sleep the night after your house has been broken into (whilst you are asleep upstairs) to steal 2 sets of car keys like Renton's mate.

It's shit, believe me.

And, by the way, they had to let two of the four go because of lack of evidence - despite the fact that the key to Mrs P's Golf was found in one of their houses.

The other two were put away because one was out on licence and the other had been "not very nice" when he couldn't find the keys in a similar style break-in.

Wait until it happens to you, then let's see how liberal you are.

Smoke = fire.

You're right, it's all the liberal's fault, What we need are lynch mobs, shoot on site policing and ask questions later. Then the world will be so much safer.....

Sorry to have to say it, but yes:

NW Alps Jeyer aka Boz
Smoke = fire.

Daily Mail works. I'm scared too.

footflaps
You're right, it's all the liberal's fault, What we need are lynch mobs, shoot on site policing and ask questions later. Then the world will be so much safer....

Nice leap.

I think there's definitely some middle ground on this one. Often a case that police don't have the time, or know someone else will not have the time or patience to make good of the work they'll do, and so they just don't do it. Can totally understand the frustration. At the minute I'm blaming the conservatives for pulling the country's infrastructure from beneath our feet and bringing public services to their their knees, but I'm sure it's an age old problem of people doing their jobs not giving as much of a **** about it as you do.

Footflaps, careful pal don't get too wound up you might choke on your lentil and mung bean salad 😉

For God's sake, it's not even the OP's cars, we're arguing over a mate of a mate of someone on line who has just found out that the justice system isn't perfect.

In other news, someone is shocked to find out the earth isn't flat.....

8)

As it seems a night for leaps...

proutster - Member
You hand-wringing liberal ones have, I would guess, never had to try to go to sleep the night after your house has been broken into (whilst you are asleep upstairs) to steal 2 sets of car keys like Renton's mate.

Here is one.

Wait until it happens to you, then let's see how liberal you are.

And another.

It's shit, believe me.

That I don't doubt. I've seen people I care about devastated by it.

just found out that the justice system isn't perfect.

Of course it is! We have the perfect judicial system in this country.

"No additional witness evidence, no DNA or other crime scene evidence..."

Couldn't they just cross-reference the metadata against DNA hits on the federal database?

tap tap tap ENHANCE

@Renton

There are some on here who seem to revel in these sort of threads. No idea what's going on in their personal lives, but I guess it's neither pretty, nor fulfilling.

Truthfully, I don't know where you go next. I suspect that a partial answer lies in a letter to the chief constable copied in to the local MP.

I hope it's all sorted, because the present situation sucks donkey balls.

cheekyboy - Member

Have you not heard..............crime is dropping !

If the morons lose the evidence and there is no conviction then there is no crime.

Mince. Crime rates are based on reported crimes. Conviction figures are based on convictions. Failing to make a conviction doesn't mean the crime drops off the records (and tbh, I've no idea why you'd think it does).

project - Member

But the police failed to find enough evidence to bring a conviction/prosecution, and thats the problem, they either didnt try to hard or lack of staff.

Or perhaps, sufficient evidence just wasn't available. Or maybe mistakes were made. Hell, maybe the dude actually didn't do it, stranger things happen. There's a lot of possible reasons.

It is shit, but not all investigations can lead to convictions, even when it seems pretty clear who's responsible. If we went around convicting people based on low evidence, well, for one thing I'd probably have a criminal conviction for mugging. It doesn't support victims, it creates them.

You hope that everything that could be done, was. Who knows though.

Have you not heard..............crime is dropping !

If the morons lose the evidence and there is no conviction then there is no crime.

get them in the basement of the station, get the old electrodes on the cobblers, soon have a nice confession.

and while you are doing that somebody else can put a few extra items in the car to find.

couple of things, thief must have been a bit dim to leave a stolen car outside his own house.
If all you need to do to get someone locked up is park a stolen car outside their house then it would be a fairly easy revenge tactic.

If there was not enough evidence to prosecute then thats the end of it really. It doesn't help the victim but also locking the wrong person up might aleviate the fear but not change things.

thief must have been a bit dim to leave a stolen car outside his own house.

Having the keys inside would count as evidence, a proper dim one.

When my car was stolen I was told that it bring discovered on someone's driveway and keys inside the house wasn't enough evidence on its own to secure a conviction.

and while you are doing that somebody else can put a few extra items in the car to find.

While they were on holiday, my parents' house was broken into - thief loaded up their car with stuff, drove to his house half a mile away, and started unloading. A good neighbour phoned the police, who nicked him then called me to drive the car back home.

Got the car home, and the detective suggested we move the valuable contents of the car back inside. Then he realised they'd need to take SoC photographs, so we put it all back in the car boot...

A desire for revenge is no starting point for justice.

Anyway, sounds shit OP. Sympathies to you friend, must be incredibly frustrating.

You hand-wringing liberal ones have, I would guess, never had to try to go to sleep the night after your house has been broken into (

I have. However I still understand why the justice system needs to work like it does.

So you admit to being a hand-wringing liberal ? Shame on you.

This has happened to rwo people I know within the last year but they managed to recover the vehicles themselves. One of them was my nephew who is a self employed cleaning contractor. He's woke up to find his Mercedes Vito together with equipment and materials gone off his driveway. He's informed the police but at the same time his wife's put out the word on Facebook with pictures of the van. A friend of hers spotted it on the way to work parked up and as he had a spare set of keys he managed to get it back.

Wait until it happens to you, then let's see how liberal you are.

I restrained him till the police arrived and no kicking was issued.

I was just as liberal before , during and after the crime.

A desire for revenge is no starting point for justice.

Makes for a good forum thread though....

Having the keys inside would count as evidence, a proper dim one.

I caught the person breaking into my car
I restrained him till the police arrived and no kicking was issued.

I was just as liberal before , during and after the crime.

Well done, but a proper liberal would have tried to convince the wrongdoer that liberalism was the guiding light he needs to aim for once he has seen the error of his ways.

Sympathy from me. Unfortunately the justice system isn't perfect and things are sometimes not as simple as they seem. Karma is the hoped for answer. Was just lamenting people with little social morality this morning. I am very stw it seems.

[quote=cheekyboy opined]
Well done, but a proper liberal would have tried to convince the wrongdoer that liberalism was the guiding light he needs to aim for once he has seen the error of his ways.

Forgive me my sins

If we went around convicting people based on low evidence, well, for one thing I'd probably have a criminal conviction for mugging. It doesn't support victims, it creates them.

Does that make you a neck-wringing liberal?

I've had my house broken into, they stole two ice axes amongst other things - not very nice to think why they took them and what they would be planning to do with them. It was shit but it didn't turn me into an advocate of rounding up the most likely suspects and putting them in jail with no evidence.

Anyone moaning about 'this country' needs to take a massive reality check. We live in one of the safest countries in the world where by and large we have the rule of law and justice generally works as it should. A large percentage of the world doesn't have that privilege.

I stole some items from a campanologist once. Does that make me a bell ringing liberal? 🙂

Well said Grum

Spot on Grum

Shame on you Grum, spoiling this thread with your calm and rational posts....

Savede me some typing Grum plus no way is the suspect getting any compo. (No way as it is exceedingly unlikely that.. )

Yes, I understand you are much better informed than me on these issues, but I thought the compo suggestion also sounded like cobblers.

It's totally possible he's getting compensation for [i]something[/i]. He won't be getting it just for being on a tag though. If he's been put on a tag wrongly, or similiarly, then it's possible. Or just for some totally unrelated thing.

"I came back to my flat, and disturbed a burglar. I told him there was no God"
-- Paul Merton, 1986 IIRC (maybe not original though).

So it's now like the states, where 'liberal' is a term of derogatory abuse? sigh.

How could you be wrongly put on tag it is a court order either as a sentence or bail condition or post a prison sentence as a licence condition so no compensation avenue there. Only options false imprisonment if can demonstrate the police acted without any lawful authority ie not just that they were wrong or malitious prosecution if you could show real misconduct in laying the charge . Last possibility is if the arresting officer or another gave the suspect a kicking he could sue for assault. So exceedingly unlikely that any compo to suspect . We rarely pay to the victims of miscarriages of just never mind to mildly inconvenienced suspects who have charges dropped pre trial .

[quote="project"]Well thats what insurance is for then.
Possibly, it depends. Sounds like the OP's mate's car was recovered OK. In 2006 my car was taken from the driveway after person(s) unknown let themselves into the house during the night and helped themselves to anything valuable that was close to hand (car keys plus laptop, wallet, handbag and a camera). The car was found a couple of days later seemingly unharmed and held by police for a couple of days while they checked for prints etc.

There then followed a frustrating conversation with Elephant where they explained to me that the "theft" part of TPF&T didn't apply because the car had been found. Who knew it ? A car being stolen is not theft. So I couldn't claim for the recovery & storage costs I had to pay to the contractor used by the police before I was allowed to have my own car back 🙄 It was a few hundred quid; not peanuts. I was not very amused.

My wife's car, meanwhile, was still on the driveway. Because there was a key in the handbag that was stolen there was a risk "they" might come back for it so I had to secure it (take the wheels off and leave it on bricks) while we figured out what to do. That was with a different insurer and they agreed to pay out for complete new OEM immobiliser/central locking system from Toyota which was quite a large amount of money.

On the bright side, the household contents insurance was with More Than and they dealt with that claim extremely well. Big thumbs up to them.