all the time people inisit on buying packs of pencils from Amazon rather than their local pencil shop there will always be more packaging than is necessary...

all the time people inisit on buying packs of pencils from Amazon rather than their local pencil shop there will always be more packaging than is necessary...

Touché!

And think of the pencil miles!

Wow, you really are a spectacular idiot!!!

What on earth has a online retailer using too much packaging has to do with you refusing to recycle anything?

Prat.

ignore local buy global
I agree it is completely their fault you bought TWELVE PENCILS from an online retailer and they should not have packaged them in a way that meant they reached yuo in an unbroken state
What were [s]you[/s]they thinking off ❓

If I was you I'd make sure that everything was someone else's fault as well.

Well at least she has some brown paper to draw on.....

Wonder if you had ordered the brown paper, would have got the pencils as packing?

Were they specialist pencils? I have ordered pencils off the Internet I could not get in my local art shop? Or do you live on an island 100's miles away from any art shops? Otherwise then like someone said. Prat.

I expect the brown packaging paper and box were made using recycled materials – that's why you should recycle your bog roll and old envelopes, and take the Amazon packaging with you to the recycling depot while you're at it.

and take the Amazon packaging with you to the recycling depot while you're at it.

That would be too easy cpon, better to post the brown paper back to Amazon for them to recycle 😉

Make sure its well packed mind...

[i]I may have to drive miles to get pencils[/i]

I well remember the great pencil shortage of '73 - people were having to travel hundreds of miles just to buy a pencil and you couldn;t get erasers for love nor money.

Of course the rest of the time everyone just waits until they're "at the shops" and buys them then.

Keep em coming boys even the STW boys are upset! What a lovely place this is.

buy? pencils? isn't that what work's for? an endless supply of free stationary? that's why there was a shortage in '73. high unemployment, all those people not working meant none being stolen from work. i remember it, it was awful, people begging in the streets "will recycle your waste paper for an hb", ships crashing because navigators were forced to plot courses using subtandard black market pencil

Stationery & Gifts

* 17 Water Street
* Todmorden
* Lancashire
* OL14 5AB

Not sure they do mail order though, but you could always get on your bike and check?

Didn't they decimalise pencils in '70's? Maybe that had something to do with the 1973 shortage. Plus, I was born in 1973, the effects of which can't be ruled out.

You can all take the piss all you want, and to an extent its justified. But theres an important point underneath it all. Pretty much everything we buy, mail order, or from the shops [i]is[/i] hugely overpackaged.
Reduce, reuse, recycle. In that order.

Actually some of its quite funny too- as you were.

Maybe he has been teaching his kids sensible online buying techniques in the half term holidays, due to nobody having any money to go anywhere!

Driving to the PENCIL shop is a waste of diesel!!

If you go to a supermarket everything is packed in plastic then packed again, if they clamped down on retailers then there would be less recycling to do, and i suppose in time 3 weekly recycling collections which will in turn stop council tax going up!!

A bit harsh to call him a prat, you PRATS!!!!

Until someone brings in some over packing laws why the **** should I recycle things like an old paper envolope or empty toilet roll????

So.. either Amazon over-pack their stuff and you DON'T recycle it, or Amazon over pack their stuff and you DO recycle it. Which is best?

The two things are independent.

You can all take the piss all you want

Thank you very much.

Re cycle my arse, everything in a shirley bassey and into the bin it goes, recyclings for gimps if you ask me.

[i]you couldn;t get erasers for love nor money.[/i]

We still called them rubbers in those far off, pre the influence of American culture, days when s****ing at the name of the ying to the pencils yang was unheard of.

And I was 7 so would have had no idea what a rubber was for even if I did know it was American for condom.

s - how do you know that will1 lives in Todmorden?
Are you a stalker!!! 😉

Years ago discovering an "electric rubber" in a slightly load voice sitting in the middle of a design studio with 75 Americans caused enormous amusement and coughing into dip-cups.

soops - Member

s - how do you know that will1 lives in Todmorden?
Are you a stalker!!!

I only stalk of brown paper 😉

I bought an SD memory card online once; came in a box about 12x12x12". Loads of polystyrene packaging chips inside.

The chips I have since used for packaging other things I've sold on Ebay, and I am currently using the box to store some old Lego. So, I'm recycling the packaging.

Agree that companies should use less packaging though, that's just ridiculous for a memory card.

+1 for office stationery!

2B or not 2B?

(see what I did there?! I'll get me coat...)

I guess amazon have done a cost analysis on their packaging - if they reduce their packaging, or carry several different types, this will costs more, both in having to stock, use, order and commission several different types, and also in terms of returned items that that been damaged due to inadequate packaging.

Now the financial costs of all this to Amazon will not be directly related to the carbon cost of the activity (we don't have a 'carbon currency'), but it will be fairly closely aligned.

i.e. even if they bought in some smaller boxes, specificly for smaller items, it won't actually necessarily reduce carbon usage.

so there.

+1 for Lego!

Less packaging = my goods are broken = whining on the Internet.
More packaging = wow, this is excessive = whining on the Internet.

Poor Amazon, damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Yes, plus their shipping may be limited by weight not size, so it'd therefore make more sense perhaps to use larger packages - less loss, damage or wastage? Easier bulk handling perhaps?

TO be fair to companies, they probably buy a lot of boxes and they'll get a better deal on 'x' thousand of a standard size, rather than a hundred of this, a hundred of another. And you have to store all the combinations, and people have to go off and pick the 'correct box etc. etc. - all costs money

[s]Poor[/s] Amazon, [s]damned[/s] successful if they do and [s]damned[/s] successful if they don't.

 

So you either follow a bad example or set a good one.

I guess it depends on whether you want to be a good parent or not.

Or does your daughter believe that 'whinging on STW' is a valid option in these circumstances?

Just asking like.

plus, if someone bought just an individual pencil you'd need a [i]really[/i] small cardboard tube to post it in and the buyers address might not fit on there.

"until someone brings in packing laws why the **** should I recycle"

You mean laws like The Packaging Responsibility Obligation Regs 2008 which set out the minimum recycling rates for companies with a turnover of £2million that handle >50tonnes of packaging.....like amazon
OR
The Packaging (Essential Requirements) Regs 1998 which require packaging to be minimised and capable of recovery/recyling and contain restricted amounts of haz substances? I have no experience of the second set of regs which report to be enforced by local trading standards but no idea how you do that when companies produce and pack internationally.

Get recyling 😕

So you all agree then that a 12"x9"x5" box with 12 pencils which are already packed in plastic packaging then put in a box which is stuffed with sheets of brown paper is not excessive packaging?

How come when i ordered some frame patches from CRC they came in a tiny jiffy bag. Surely if it was more cost effective to buy 12"x9"x5" boxes in bulk and then pack out the box with excessive amounts of brown paper to save costs, CRC would do that? Or are CRC Green for providing the right size packaging for the right size product, so not wasting packaging and then creating excessive recycling!!

I think will1 probably has a valid arguement as if you only get a tiny recyle box then excessive packaging spills over everywhere.
Or do some of you on here get your aupairs to take it out to your 3 bay garage where it is not in the way!

As an aside,

Amazon are experimenting with different packaging at the moment it seems. The last order I got from them said on the box (paraphrasing), "this is package type 'A', please let us know what you think via the website."

soops - I wouldn;t put pencils in a jiffy bag - they'd get snapped.

No-ones saying that the 'right' sized box was used, I think, only that

a) Amazon have economies of scale and need to pack fragile goods - having a standard 'small box' is probably best for them.
b) the size of the box is unrelated to the need to recycle it after receipt.
c) if packaging was such an issue then a trip to most staionery shops (that coincided with a visit to town) would have produced a nice tin of 12 pencils.
d) will1 seemed to enjoy being wound up.

wwaswas - did i say they should be in a jiffy bag?

also if CRC can do it then why not others? i would have gone mad if my frame patches had turned up in a 12"x9"x5" box.

I think it is odd that you all think it is ok.

Surely to reduce the amount we use/recycle it has to start at source?

O.M.G will look what youve started !! Its all gone t**s up 🙄

WTF are you buying pencils in the first place!!??
Use a stick in the dirt, like any other eco-sensitive soul you filthy planet rapist.

Also if will1's kids see that excessive packaging is ok, surely that is setting a bad example to them?
According to the majority of you lot it is all about cost!
Surely it is about not wasting things?
If a bike turned up in a bike box 4 times the size it is now, you would think why?

[i]if a bike turned up in a bike box 4 times the size it is now, you would think why?[/i]

I'd think "Sh*t how am I going to get that through the house and in the shed without being spotted?"

Don't disagree soops - it does soudn overpackaged but it does seem odd that if the OP were really worried he'd have not bought online and it's not a recycling issue as such either?

If you are all so into recycling, the next time you change your groupset/forks etc don't sell them on here in return for some cash. Chuck them in the metal recycle bay at the tip!!

[i]I'd think "Sh*t how am I going to get that through the house and in the shed without being spotted?"[i]

😆

I like getting overpackaged goods, means I can sell things on ebay at package them at minimal cost.

I dont think I have bought a box/envelope for years. Plenty of rolls of brown tape though.

Infact part of my loft is taken up by the fire risk that is the spare packaging mountain.

I always reuse packaging from showers and pedestals etc as it makes sense to.

will1 made a valid point about excessive packaging and how we are expected to recycle it.

Less packaging less recycling!

IanMunro - Member
WTF are you buying pencils in the first place!!??
Use a stick in the dirt, like any other eco-sensitive soul you filthy planet rapist.

Good point, but remember to pick only wind fallen sticks and ecologically inert dirt to disturb. Otherwise consider excising your own femur and drawing with some of your spare entrails.

I've always seen Recycling as third R after Reduce and Reuse.

Why don't you order some gingko tablets off the internet instead and just remember whatever it was you were planning to write down.

I dont recycle anything.

I only recycle little green bottles and cans because they'd fill my wheelie bin otherwise!!

At least it did not come on a [url= http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/23/enormouse/ ]crate[/url]

All those people doing there bit at the local recycle center, a can in here a piece of paper there. A total waste of time and costing the local councils money to back up all this crap. Until the China and the U.S.A start doing something we really are wasting our time.Take plastic bags we are mucking around with our own bags when Walmart give you almost a bag for each item you buy.The size of this country isn`t going to change nothing

You do realise that the new powerhouse economies are asking why we're lecturing them on sustainability and reducing consumption when the general populaces of the English based countries show no interest?

I had a friend who was a cowboy and used to walk around completely wrapped in brown wrapping paper, although I haven't seen him since he was jailed for rustling.

I'm surprised nobody has brought up the importance of retaining the packaging for future reference

in this respect i find the eggbox style stuff is always out of focus and the transparent stuff a bit confusing if you put it down on top of for example an open copy of [i]À la recherche du temps perdu[/i] you can never get anything to work properly

I had a friend who was a cowboy and used to walk around completely wrapped in brown wrapping paper, although I haven't seen him since he was jailed for rustling.

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At last our council are accepting recyclable plastcs and cardboard for recycling.

Why buy pencils or steals them from work? I getine from IKEA, I get my biros from my bank they come with a free chain too.

I need a box and some packaging, how much are these pencils?

No I'm with the OP on this;

We're told to turn lights off, only boil enough water to make a cuppa, insulate out lofts etc etc; but then you see office buildings with all lights blazing all night when there's no-one there, shops with highly-illuminated display windows on all night, big LCD panels with nowt useful on, etc etc...

Too many fat lazy coppers driving about in spensive BMWs instead of actually getting off their arses and patrolling the streets on foot. It's Obese Britain.

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Too many fat lazy [b]coppers[/b] driving about in spensive BMWs instead of actually getting off their arses and patrolling the streets on foot. It's Obese Britain.

Recycling is an entertainment business for the consumer at the moment, and is clearly divorced from the underlying economic and environmental realities of what we should / could do with out waste.

That being said, people seem to be increasingly aware that there's a lot of bollox spoken about recycling. It's likely that a more intelligent approach will evolve than blindly chucking everything in a recycling bin because the council says so.

I also have to agree with the OP. Until they stop over packing everything and stop government officials driving around in stupid sized motors I refuse to recycle anything. I believe that you cannot now buy 100W light bulbs yet you can buy a 7 litre engined car?? Something is not right witht he world we live in IMO.

Cheers for the support fellas i was on my own for a while!! 8)

ds1 - i like it! 😆

were so far gone, we dont even need to recycle!

use your common sense! if you order something and it comes in a big box you can use it for other things.

toilet roll etc, use to ignite my fire 😉

and at the end of the day if someone wants to order something online, its down to the companys to be helping out with the 'polution problem'.

not packing the shit out of everything.

just my input 😉

sure all you tree hugers got something to say 😉
wooop

best giggle ive had in ages.

I believe that you cannot now buy 100W light bulbs yet you can buy a 7 litre engined car??

Better than being able to buy 100W light bulbs AND 7 litre cars innit?

Well, that taught me......a 2 day ban. You can imagine how devastated I have been (not)!! Just for stating the obvious about certain members.
To the usual foolish people who always jump to conclusions, yes they were specialist pencils that I was not even able to order from Water St - my local Stationers (I did try). Once again it shows the character of some members on here. Perhaps if I get a 'P' at the side of my name and kiss some a**e of the STW leaders I could end up the same as you - Bah Bah bah.
Funny how some people can voice their opinions and others cannot on here.
Anyway it's great to be back!!

Perhaps if I get a 'P' at the side of my name

Lol at junkyard just as stated above 'jumping to conclusions' you are the typical typecast person. Does me buying the mag every month not count in your eyes? Bah Bah

why would you want to be called will1p?

or pwill1?

Surely 1p matters to him, hence the Amazon order?

You got a ban will1? What for?
I always buy the mag instead of being a member with a P buy my name.
I find it hard to take a dump with a laptop on my knee!!! 😀

Does me buying the mag every month not count in your eyes?