[Closed] Really? £60 for a shirt ...

Shirts? 3 for £90 here; http://www.roderickcharles.com/c/Shirts.htm

Department stores (That is to say Harrods and PJ's) are good for buying bedlinen, kitchen kit and the Clarins counter for maternal presents. One doesn't shop in them otherwise.

And your point is?

Then I checked the quilt blanket feather stuff jacket ... really? £200!

Which make? a proper winter one with a high fill will cost that.Or was it a poncy wear to rugby or down the wine bar one?

look how much a cycling top is for what you get

don simon - Member

And your point is?

You have never had it so good. Not you but the departmental stores ...

Edric 64 - Member

Which make? a proper winter one with a high fill will cost that.Or was it a poncy wear to rugby or down the wine bar one?

God knows ... think it was Rab, Berghaus or something ... but c'mon ... "£200?

Junkyard - Member

look how much a cycling top is for what you get

Yes, that's why I hardly buy any ... except from Ground Effect or from STW Classified.

Been living a cave for while?

Don't like that much, spend less. Go to the local cheapy store and get (guess what) cheap clothes. If you want cheap stuff that last a long time, go to the army surplus store.

£60 for a shirt is about right, they go up from there (a LONG way). Of course, if you buy your clothes second hand, then it's of course going to be cheaper, however, you pay £30 for a shirt that's half worn out that cost the original owner £65 really isn't an economy - think it through....

LOLLERCOPTERS

stw poster in "surprised by reality" shocker!

LOLLERCOPTERS - that's what's needed for the 100 squids of amazon vouchers thread, great idea. Runs to other thread

The copters that is, not the plastic shirts

yep me too aldi for me and asda for shirts - worn only for work.

Bought some work shirts from H&M 5 or 6 years ago which are still going strong 23,00€ each.
Just bought some more work shirts from C&A, (of all places) for 17,00€.

I've never had it so good.

No, I don't wear seconds all the time except the one or two that I bought from STW for mtbing.

The rest I bought from TK Maxx or somewhere during last sale season or when I need them.

I would pay more if the quality and functionality are there to last longer but they are not so that is the problem.

If it is locally produced and due to labour cost I would but they are all imported from the far east where labour cost is peanuts ... Yes, yes, I can hear you saying the shareholders demand profit etc shite ... but the fact is that there comes a point where bleeding everyone dry for the sake of a few is not healthy ... yes, yes, I hear your capitalist thinking ...

WTF! Bleed them dry while you still can ...

[url= http://jonesbikes.com/production_framesets.html ]Really £2500 for a bike frame?[/url] "niche" it says on the label - overhyped and ugly more like.

Are you my Dad?

Don't get me started on the price of white spirit in BQ. - its cheaper to clean my brushes in <insert volatile liquid of choosing>.

90 quid for jeans is about right, if a little cheap. I've got 4 pairs of jeans, cost from 120 -160 each. but I've had the oldest pair for 7 years, the newest pair is 3 years old. I wear these 4 pairs of Jeans most evenings and every weekend. Money well spent IMO, If you buy proper denim...

chewkw. You are the guy that a couple of years ago posted about a pair of hideous Clarks shoes. I respectfully suggest that there are shops that cater for your tastes, but £60 for a shirt isn't that much.

Unless I'm getting very confused here you appear to have gone to shops that ARE NOT reknowned for they're cheap goods and come away complianing about the price.

Why don't you go to TK Max or Primark or some other shop that specialises in budget clothing from cheap to operate sweat shops?

90 quid for jeans is about right, if a little cheap. I've got 4 pairs of jeans, cost from 120 -160 each

25 quid tops for jeans in sales 120 + for jeans ! christ its only tent canvas Levi Strauss would turn in his grave!!

Well my last Levis were £90.

I think that the op is a bit of a cheapskate personally.

Why don't you go to TK Max or Primark or some other shop that specialises in budget clothing from cheap to operate sweat shops?

I agree with the OP lots of clothing still seems expensive even in sales.

[i]90 quid for jeans is about right, if a little cheap[/i]

😯 OK, whatever you say.
I get my jeans from the Levi's outlet store - £70 for 2 pairs last time I went there. Wouldn't dream of spending more than that.

I'll confess to having a pair of [url= http://www.rapha.cc/rapha-trousers ]Rapha trousers[/url] but I certainly didn't pay anywhere near retail price for them!

bruneep - Member

Are you my Dad?

That depends on your age. 😆

warton - Member

90 quid for jeans is about right, if a little cheap. I've got 4 pairs of jeans, cost from 120 -160 each.

Whaaattt!!! £120 - £160 each!!! Bloody hell what profession are you in?

sc-xc - Member

chewkw. You are the guy that a couple of years ago posted about a pair of hideous Clarks shoes. I respectfully suggest that there are shops that cater for your tastes, but £60 for a shirt isn't that much.

They are alright but then some of their quality has gone down too ...

£60 isn't much? Woohooo ... better start importing low quality shirt from the far east ...

richiethesilverfish - Member

Unless I'm getting very confused here you appear to have gone to shops that ARE NOT reknowned for they're cheap goods and come away complianing about the price.

Not renowned for cheap goods is one thing but trying to knock off cheapos as high quality gear ... you were born today.

Why don't you go to TK Max or Primark or some other shop that specialises in budget clothing from cheap to operate sweat shops?

TK Maxx is ok if you can find the odd one that fits the quality etc and yes some of Primark stuff are fine but I am not that fashionable to shop there.

So do you just roll your credit cards to get all them expensive stuff for your lifestyle?

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£90 for jeans? Jeans?
You really are having a laugh, or someone is at your expense.

You know why these things are so expensive? Because muppets buy them at that price...

Don't get me started on the price of white spirit in BQ

Go on, tell us more. Is it more expensive than it was when you were a lad?

Andyhilton - Member

Well my last Levis were £90.

I think that the op is a bit of a cheapskate personally.

Crikey! £90! You some sort of banker? Working in the financial industry? Loan shark?

LOL! Cheap means just not spending money or tight fisted but I want to invest in some proper quality stuff! But I can't find any ...

If the quality is there I am even willing to pay £200 - £300 for it but I am just not willing to throw my money away simply because someone says so.

Like I said if it is produced locally I have no complain because of high labour cost etc but if you pay peanuts to the far eastern labour then please try not to bleed people dry (or me) ...

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Chewkw - I wasn't aware that we'd met, but as you seem to accuse me of being born today perhaps you have seen my youthful good looks.
Anyway, even if I was born today, I'd suggest that seems to be better than still hanging onto 1920 prices like you. 'Eh oop lad, in my day you could buy whole ouse for price o jeans the youth wear'

richiethesilverfish - Member

Chewkw - I wasn't aware that we'd met, but as you seem to accuse me of being born today perhaps you have seen my youthful good looks.
Anyway, even if I was born today, I'd suggest that seems to be better than still hanging onto 1920 prices like you. 'Eh oop lad, in my day you could buy whole ouse for price o jeans the youth wear'

In that case you are either a retired banker or ex-financial industry personnel or a loan shark so which one are you as you sound loaded ...

My retired accountant friend is doing very well as he is good at counting money.

So what is your profession?

Or perhaps a shareholder with some of those important (or importing) firms ... investor?

Like I said there is quality and there is cheapo but if cheapo is considered quality then something must be very wrong. You harvest the people but you do not bleed them dry.

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Jeans for £90? I bought some in Dave's, New York, this year for (I think) about £23 a pair and they had all the Levis styles and Carharrt. He's now doing them online but the postage is a bit prohibitive.

In that case you are either a retired banker or ex-financial industry personnel or a loan shark so which one are you as you sound loaded ...

How do you work that out then? If you read my posts you'll see I'm not suggesting that I pay these prices either, but what I do suggest is that if you want to pay £20 for shirts you need to go to Primark.
Whether I pay it or not isn't relevent, what is is that £60 for a shirt is pretty much standard price in a high street store these days. Get used to it Grandad.

God knows ... think it was Rab, Berghaus or something ... but c'mon ... "£200?

My Rab cost £110 15 years ago, and the equivalent would probably be close to £200 now I'd imagine. Considering the thing has kept me warm, many many times, including down to -30, I'd say that's bloody good value for money actually. I wouldn't pay that for Berghaus stuff mind.

As for other stuff, particularly 'fashion' clothing, I agree with Chewkw. We're simply being ripped off. Importers and retailers know people will pay high prices, so they charge high prices. Maybe if credit wasn't so easy to obtain, things might be a bit different...

90 quid for jeans is about right, if a little cheap. I've got 4 pairs of jeans, cost from 120 -160 each. but I've had the oldest pair for 7 years, the newest pair is 3 years old. I wear these 4 pairs of Jeans most evenings and every weekend. Money well spent IMO, If you buy proper denim...

Do you seriously believe that? Do you actually know what 'proper denim' is? It's a basic cotton fabric that's very easy and cheap to produce. The jeans will invariably be made in he Far East, using cheap labour. Each pair will cost a couple of quid to make, no more. Even after shipping and taxes, we're still not talking about loads of money involved.

See, it's this false belief that cost = quality, that drives people to overspend on overpriced stuff. I've got a pair of jeans I bought 4 or 5 years ago in Uniqlo for £15, that are every bit as good as jeans costing £90+. Levis in the US cost £30-40 tops. Go to cheapo outlets, and they're £25 or even less. Why are we paying double and more for them? They're only bog standard jeans!

And yes, having worked briefly for a company supplying fabric to Savill Row tailors, as well as in clothing retail, I do know a bit about 'quality'. 😉

Sales are the only time I buy owt. Only time things are anywhere close to a reasonable level of 'value'.

Now and then, I might spend a bit on something I really like. Spent about £60 on a shirt from Ted Baker about 14 years ago! Very nice shirt, mind. Still got it somewhere. But it's a fallacy that you have to spend to get quality; all too often, the quality is standard, but the price premium.

Chewkw's got a bloody good point you know.

department stores are needlessly expensive but there are those who will pay it

if you think that clothes are poorly made, avoid the supermarkets and primark, they are seriously awful

there is a middle ground as some have pointed out, H&M are ok, the outlet shopping places gets some bargains if you are prepared to hunt, you sometimes get lucky at matalan and tkmaxx but it's a jumble sale with a lot of dross

richiethesilverfish - Member
How do you work that out then? If you read my posts you'll see I'm not suggesting that I pay these prices either, but what I do suggest is that if you want to pay £20 for shirts you need to go to Primark.
Whether I pay it or not isn't relevent, what is is that £60 for a shirt is pretty much standard price in a high street store these days. Get used to it Grandad.

£60 for a shirt is the standard price? £20 for a shirt from Primark? Crikey! Did you get your money from your inheritance?

I mean most people are willing to spend for whatever reasons but have a heart give them something that is honest even if they are ignorance of the fact the quality is not there.

So what is your profession? RichietheRich.

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if you think that clothes are poorly made, avoid the supermarkets and primark, they are seriously awful

This is a myth. The clothes are made in the same massive Far Eastern factories. It's just snobbishness that makes people believe stuff from Tescos or Primark is inferior. I've seen some perfectly reasonable gear from both places, and some way overpriced tat with 'designer' labels on.

just think how better of you are for not falling into the fashion trap. I couldn't agree with you more, even when I see some of my family buying into fashion and fashion accessories........and these are allegedly the men!!!

I live happily knowing that I don't have to be fashionable anymore and as long as i'm neat enough for work then the rest can hang (except when my bloddy in-laws have something to say on what i'm wearing when we go out)

What you need chewkw is a good charity shop, bargains galore and more choice than any samey repetetive high street!
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This thead is wonderful... People on STW in differing opinions shocker. I suspect the OP might be trolling to be honest.

Anyway, on the off chance that he's not... If you can afford to spend 120 on a pair of jeans great. I just bought two pairs in Diesel this week. They were expensive but I like them and I can afford them so I bought them. I don't care whether anyone else thinks they are good value or not.

I buy my work clothes from Hugo Boss. I think the OP should check the shirt prices in there, but take a defibrillator with you as you might have a funny turn.

I go with the 'I like them and can afford them' thang. Some my jeans are from GAP and are £40-£50. Having said that I wear through them in about 8 months. The Levis' are still going strong after 18 months.

£60 for a shirt is the standard price? £20 for a shirt from Primark? Crikey! Did you get your money from your inheritance?

Can you read? I don't pay that for any of my stuff. I never said I did. But I'm not going to start a thread in shock and awe when I see those prices.
As for my profession, of which you already know, I work in the bike industry. For the record I also have a small clothing company and guess what, I charge £20 for a tee shirt. Is that over priced?

So what about you? What job do you do that means you can shelter from real life and real prices?

Some my jeans are from GAP and are £40-£50. Having said that I wear through them in about 8 months.

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I'd be taking them back for a refund! How can you wear through a pair of [i]jeans[/i], in 8 months? They're sposed to last years!

I just bought two pairs in Diesel this week. They were expensive but I like them and I can afford them so I bought them. I don't care whether anyone else thinks they are good value or not.

Fine. As long as you realise you're paying for the label, mostly.

If you don't like the price of clothing then don't buy it you muppet.

I hear George at Asda may be your cup of tea.

Decent clothes are expensive but then you can get jeans for £3 depends if you want to look a hobo or not really doesn't it 😉

Current favourite jeans are Mek. Got a couple of pairs from Canada last time I was over. Fit really well and seem to be better wearing than most others I've had. Cost about $180CAD each which is around £110. I like 'em.

Decent clothes are expensive

Another myth. Whilst it's true you should

expect

I hear George at Asda may be your cup of tea.

I've got a top from there that cost £10; just as good as stuff costing £30-40. Actually decent quality.

Once upon a time, there was an Emperor, who needed some new clothes....

Fine. As long as you realise you're paying for the label, mostly.

I think you'll find I'm actually paying for the brand, which is a whole lot more than just a label, but you're on the right lines 🙂

I think you'll find I'm actually paying for the brand, which is a whole lot more than just a label

Explain please.

Well, of course if we still had the mills working oop North ...

I don't understand how some of these clothes can get worn out in 8 months. What do you wear them for? Working on a construction site or something?

Might i add my own pikey opinion?

Primark....no wait..... Primark do a great pair of jeans for £12, they've lasted 2 years of abuse and washing, the pockets are fine even with my jailers set of keys in em and best of all they're comfy as a pair of Levi's!
They do a pair for £8 as well which i bought for riding my DJ bike in. They've survived dozens of spills.

Of course if you have to have a label, just visit your local car boot sale and bag some Levi's or a Ben Sherman shirt (whatever takes your fancy) for a tenner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand

I am paying for how I feel about the label. That's the one line summary. Crazy eh?

Some people distinguish the psychological aspect, brand associations like thoughts, feelings, perceptions, images, experiences, beliefs, attitudes, and so on that become linked to the brand, of a brand from the experiential aspect.
The experiential aspect consists of the sum of all points of contact with the brand and is known as the brand experience. The psychological aspect, sometimes referred to as the brand image, is a symbolic construct created within the minds of people and consists of all the information and expectations associated with a product or service.

Hmm, so you're paying for a myth, then, rather than any [i]real[/i] benefit then?

I don't have a problem with that at all. I just choose not to buy into it myself, if I can help it.

Elfinsafety - Member

Another myth.

So your 20 quid peter storm cagoule will keep you as dry and warm as a £200 quid fully gore text breathable TNF. Berghaus, Rab etc? I sure as heck know what i would rather have in my pack when mapping the Scottish highlands.

I've got a top from there that cost £10; just as good as stuff costing £30-40. Actually decent quality.

Not knocking it at all, if the OP doesn't want to pay for branded clothes I was offering a suggestion of a quality cheap alternative.

If you live in the South West, try Trago. Superdry jeans for £25, on their website £74.99.

So your 20 quid peter storm cagoule will keep you as dry and warm

A cagoule is not made to keep you warm

For all those above who [b]really[/b] believe that there is a direct correlation between price, quality and brand/label then I think you have swallowed the marketing bullshit, hook line and sinker!

£120+ for a pair of jeans - are you in The Only Way is Essex? 😆 🙄

Fatface jeans are 1/2 price in their sale 25 quid at the moment

I don't have a problem with that at all. I just choose not to buy into it myself, if I can help it.

Fair enough.

Superdry is for chavs tho

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I din't get that show. What was it all about? 😳

Edric 64 - Member

A cagoule is not made to keep you warm

valid point, it is supposed to keep you dry though being a rain mac and all and in my experience it doesn't do it as well as my dedicated waterproofs, probably because the waterproof fabrics are expensive to develop and manufacture. so IMO you get what you pay for.

I buy Lee Brooklyn jeans off ebay for 35 quid. Run DMC told me to when I was 14 and I've gone with that.

I din't get that show. What was it all about?

So your 20 quid peter storm cagoule will keep you as dry and warm as a £200 quid fully gore text breathable TNF. Berghaus, Rab etc?

Maybe not, and you're kind of straying off the point here a bit, Read my post earlier re my Rab jacket.

My £96 in the sale normally £250 Gore Tex jacket might, though. 8)

I must come clean here and admit to paying silly prices for bikey clothing. Have a lot of Gore stuff but it lasts for donkeys years. In fact my Windstopper jacket just won't wear out, even after 7 years of Autumn, Winter and Spring use!

PIK N MIX I agree technical fabrics are worth it Gore tex and high fill down jackets etc are real life savers in foul weather.Overpriced fashion labels take the piss though .I have seen 400 quid Jimmy Choo's that are no better in construction than 40 quid shoes from New Look.

That's different though CG - in your case you are paying for quality technical clothing which last ages and is well worth the money. Not always the case though and other tech stuff eg. ski/boarding gear can also be a huge rip-off.

I get my transform a outlet village, been buying Tommy Hillfinger ones normally I pay 60quid a pair and they are good quality, I paid 120 for a Haglofs polite packet very good quality warm and waterproof wear for biking and casual just buy wisely.

Not trolling at all ... if I strike jackpot I might be trolling but no ...

richiethesilverfish - Member

Can you read? I don't pay that for any of my stuff. I never said I did. But I'm not going to start a thread in shock and awe when I see those prices.

You are entitled to your views you know. 😆

As for my profession, of which you already know, I work in the bike industry. For the record I also have a small clothing company and guess what, I charge £20 for a tee shirt. Is that over priced?

I have no idea until now and this is an absolutely truth.

There you go ... I touched a raw nerve there (clothing company) ... there is nothing wrong with owning a small clothing company. You can charge £100 for a t-shirt if you want to if you manufactured it in UK paying high labour cost. I have no problem with that. But if you pay 50p per shirt for the labour in far east and you charge £20 per shirt then you have no heart.

So what about you? What job do you do that means you can shelter from real life and real prices?

I am a very low ranking bureaucrat in an institution and I am not sheltered from real life except refusing to be herded.

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bland - Member

What you need chewkw is a good charity shop, bargains galore and more choice than any samey repetetive high street!

Charity shops? Have you ever looked into the face of the people who buy from charity shops? They are not as well off as you or perhaps are down in hard times so if they get a bargain good. There are also many old people trying to stretch their saving etc so bargain or not they are trying to buy something for themselves. Now the irony is this the poor quality of clothing will eventually trickle down to those shops and guess what ... those poor souls have to stretch even more for their money and some clothing are so low in quality (you know disposable - wear and throw) that they do not even reach the charity shops.

Yes, I have bought from charity shops but once in every few years but that's all.

Charity begins at home and what better to do then to produce locally but then profit dictates the heart ... might as well pay peanuts to the monkey in the far east then sell them high to the monkeys at home. More money and shareholders are happy ... well done.

Credit crunch! Where?

Edric 64 - Member

PIK N MIX I agree technical fabrics are worth it Gore tex and high fill down jackets etc are real life savers in foul weather.Overpriced fashion labels take the piss though .I have seen 400 quid Jimmy Choo's that are no better in construction than 40 quid shoes from New Look.

As long as the quality or the perceived quality is there you can charge an arm and a leg nobody cares. Jimmy Choo is not meant for the masses so he can charge those celebrities as much as he can and I salute him. Power to him ...

I have no idea what New Look is selling as I thought they only sell female clothing ... oh well ...

Elfinsafety - Member

My Rab cost £110 15 years ago, and the equivalent would probably be close to £200 now I'd imagine. Considering the thing has kept me warm, many many times, including down to -30, I'd say that's bloody good value for money actually. I wouldn't pay that for Berghaus stuff mind.

As long as Rab are manufactured locally I have no problem with that even if they charge £200 (yes, saw a blue quilt blanket jacket) for them but not something made in the far east ... 🙂

Well mine was made in Sheffield. 🙂

Elfinsafety - Member

This is a myth. The clothes are made in the same massive Far Eastern factories. It's just snobbishness that makes people believe stuff from Tescos or Primark is inferior. I've seen some perfectly reasonable gear from both places, and some way overpriced tat with 'designer' labels on.

And me the opposite...

you find me a shirt/jeans from tesco etc with the same cut / fit / quality as so called overpriced one's...

lets face it, you wont...

hmmm.... £60 obviously isnt cheap, but its not really a great amount of money!

x2 bicycle tyres or a designer shirt... perspective!

Edric 64 - Member
I have seen 400 quid Jimmy Choo's that are no better in construction than 40 quid shoes from New Look.

but they are Jimmy Chho's hell if I were a chick I would definitely pay that for them.

Hell I have a pair of boots that cost me 300 but them I am a proper shoe whore!

Do you actually know what 'proper denim' is? It's a basic cotton fabric that's very easy and cheap to produce. The jeans will invariably be made in he Far East, using cheap labour. Each pair will cost a couple of quid to make, no more. Even after shipping and taxes, we're still not talking about loads of money involved.

Yes they are made in the far east, in Japan in most cases, by companies like Evisu and Edwin (other non japanese companies include Nudie and vintage levis) .
Yes I do know what proper Denim is. Its called selvedge. This sort of denim is made on original shuttle looms (which are no longer used by the big jean companies), and its edges won't fray. There are only a handful of the original looms left, so only a few companies make proper selvedge (you get lots of selvedge imitations though). It's not just about function, its about buying a piece of clothing thats a bit special and something not everyone else is wearing, as well as buying an item of clothing that won't wear out after a year or two

The OP has a point. The knowitalls proclaiming "tight arse" don't have much of one.

The quality of clothing is often very poor, and price is no indicator of quality. A few examples:

My aunt was in charge of a line at Courtaulds back when they made stuff in the UK. As a rule, the likes of M&S would be looking for 16 stitches per inch. Stitches per inch directly relates to the quality and strength of the seam. Look at almost any garment on sale now outside of very pricey stuff, and you'll find something like 8 stitches per inch. The vast majority of stuff on sale at the moment would have been in the rejects bin 20 years ago.

Similarly, I have some old New & Lingwood shirts in my wardrobe. If you took one to the shops and did a side by side comparision, even New & Lingwood's current stuff doesn't match in terms of quality of fabric.

On the other hand, it's not all down the shitter - I've got a pricey jumper which has been worn as much as all my others put together, and it's still in better nick. The problem is that there's no way of telling on the shop shelf that one jumper is going to last years and the other will be pilled up like mad in a couple of months.

Okay I managed to buy two pairs of Duck & Cover Union Mid Wash jeans for £66 (retail price £60/pairs) from TK Maxx as they seem to have the one I like and the thickest of the lot, which I assume, hopefully, will last longer. The front pockets are like those that you simple stitched outside rather than the traditional inside pocket so they will be able to handle my heavy keys. Also bought two Brekka plastic base layers for £15 each.

Champagne charlie

djglover - Member

Champagne charlie

LOL! Those are the only jeans that have thick pockets ...

I'll buy fairly expensive stuff on occasion, but I much prefer to find stuff in sales, like most of the jeans I have; several pairs of Howies, several pairs of Oakley's. Next time I'm in London village I'm checking out Uniqlo's Japanese Denim jeans for £45, they look like selvedge, and I prefer to try them on before I buy. I've got NF stuff that I payed full price for but it's lasted for years. Recently bought a couple of vintage Pendleton wool shirts for £25, usually £75-130 new, and they're lovely, but I just got three Uniqlo flannel shirts for just under £50, and they're fantastic, soft, warm and very comfy, even came with all the plastic collar stiffeners that you used to get with a new shirt. Lovely stuff for the money. Just shows decent quality doesn't need to be pricey. And of course I know it's clothing made in China for a Japanese company. What isn't, these days?