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Chances of being involved in a terrorist incident is practically zero, don't know what all the fuss is about.

beyond the warped perspective portrayed by the majority of media) Muslims really aren't that dangerous:

What were the odds of a terrorist act committed in Europe last week being comitted by a Muslim ?

I guess that's what last weeks "warped" media were reporting on mainly.

The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Musiims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims'

Plus London, Madrid, Paris.

Muslims hate the values of the last three but still move there and breed in droves.

JHJ, isn't this because the government continues to cover up Islamic terrorist attacks to prevent panic and protect the airline industry, see MH370, TWA800, MH17 etc.

Another example: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/14/argentina-cristina-fernandez-de-kirchner-jewish-community-centre-bombing

Makes you think eh!

Certainly does...

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/21/government-agents-directly-involved-us-terror-plots-report?CMP=twt_fd&CMP=SOCxx2I2 ]Government Agents directly involved in most High Profile US Terror Plots[/url]

What were the odds of a terrorist act committed in Europe last week being comitted by a Muslim ?

Good Question:

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Shocking isn't it JHJ? the government is both covering up real terrorist attacks to prevent panic (eg. todays evacuation and closure of the channel tunnel) and at the same time instigating false flag terrorist attacks to keep everyone scared.

Sometimes it's hard to know if you're coming or going!

breed in droves

Chances of being involved in a terrorist incident is practically zero, don't know what all the fuss is about.

With you on that buddy; as likely to be killed by a bee, or the police.

Over 300 times more likely to die in a car crash...

In the USA you've got more chance of being shot by a toddler than a Muslim terrorist..
Murdering little bastards!...

JCL - selective extraction of information can 'prove' anything you want it to.

The vast majority of European and US terror attacks have not been committed by Muslims.

[url= http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/01/terrorists-muslim.html ]http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/01/terrorists-muslim.html[/url]

[url= http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html ]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html[/url]

JCL - Member

The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Musiims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims'

Plus London, Madrid, Paris.

Muslims hate the values of the last three but still move there and breed in droves.

Aye, whatever. More importantly, what do you reckon to the Specialized Stumpjumper Evo 26" as a trail bike?

As with everybody else you forgot to mention the atrocities committed in Africa by Boko Haram and their brothers in East Africa. Doesn't Africa count?

Be interesting to see how that 2% of religiously motivated terrorist attacks stacks up if you were to measure it by number of deaths and serious injuries caused, and also what they define as an attack. I'm fully behind the 'they're terrorists not Muslims' approach but can't help thinking they've lumped in a lot of small occurrences that you wouldn't associate with a coordinated attack.

globalti - Member

As with everybody else you forgot to mention the atrocities committed in Africa by Boko Haram and their brothers in East Africa. Doesn't Africa count?

He also chose not to mention the atrocities committed by American forces and their proxy, Israel over the last 70 or so years in the middle east.

The number of attacks is irrelevant, only the number of deaths. The reality is our intelligence services are catching a lot of this before it even occurs, so what we see are those few that slip the net. A friend of the families is a copper and he is involved in three or four Muslim extremist anti terror raids a week. There is a huge amount of work going on behind the scenes to prevent these things happening.

Soda dr, you conveniently forget to mention the constant barrage of attacks Israel every day. This is a complicated situation where no side is squeaky clean, but we can do without people trying to justify and appease these fundamentalists who are not doing this in retaliation for anything, they just want to kill.

Soda dr, you conveniently forget to mention the constant barrage of attacks Israel every day. This is a complicated situation where no side is squeaky clean, but we can do without people trying to justify and appease these fundamentalists who are not doing this in retaliation for anything, they just want to kill.

Just like the Israelis "just want to kill"...they have something like a 10 to 1 ratio at the moment, am I right?

The reality is our intelligence services are catching a lot of this before it even occurs

So they keep telling us but we only have their word for it. [i]The war on terror[/i] is a great way of controlling and monitoring the population. Living in a constant state of surveillance is Okay because it's for our own good, right?

There are sinister forces at work but I think the actions of a few religious zealots are the least of our (and our children's) worries...

Who's saying those planes were brought down by terrorists and the whole thing covered up?

racist much?

Thanks JHJ we really need another one of your threads

http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/

May be a bit too accurate with the stats for your tastes but good source of information

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04y53fk
Interview here @ 8 :45 f
Be warned these links are for those who like to form opinions from facts rather than pick stats to support opinions

I shall leave ninfan to troll you as there is no "debate" with you just you screaming your facts at folk and ignoring any refuting point and running away once pwned

PS 😉 😛 8)

etc

Its a war

Christians are bestest at it though, killed much more of them....
http://drones.pitchinteractive.com/

The last jaunt in Gaza our buddies the Israelis managed to kil over 1000 muslim civilians in just a month of bombing using weapons including those we sold em

[quote> http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/

May be a bit too accurate with the stats for your tastes but good source of information

Well I never:

START: A Center of Excellence of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security
University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742, USA 301.405.6600

Hang on though...

Government Agents directly involved in most High Profile US Terror Plots

Deary me, just who can we trust for 'facts'?

gofasterstripes - Member
Who's saying those planes were brought down by terrorists and the whole thing covered up

http://allnewspipeline.com/AIRASIA_MH370_MH_17_Kamikaze.php

I'm not saying they were, but there's questions that need answering!

Another 30 mins or so and it will be about warm enough to have melted the ice on the roads / trails. Bike time everybody.. its looking nice and Sunni outside hope you dont have a shiite ride

Well, to keep you warm till the ice has gone, you'll be relieved to find out that further research reveals it wasn't the muzzies, it was the joos

http://nodisinfo.com/israel/

Or maybe the North Koreans

http://www.eturbonews.com/44123/mh-370-north-korea-has-track-report-hijacking-passenger-planes

Come on JHJ, you must have some insider information on this one?

All in good time 😉

Maybe it was the North Koreans, on behalf of the CIA, so they could give the plane to the joos, who would use it to attack the yerepeans, as a Russian false flag, to blame it on the muzzies?

I reckon we're onto something here!

Government Agents directly involved in most High Profile US Terror Plots

Another misleading headline.

Intended to be suggest that the CIA are responsible for actual terrorist events happening.
Rather than working undercover to prevent them from Happening.

Was there any information in that report that showed the CIA to be responsible for any terrorist attacks that actually happened ?

A far more accurate headline would have been

[b]"CIA constantly working under cover to prevent terror attacks"[/b]

But obviously, everybody already knows that, so it not really news is it.

Come on JHJ, you must have some insider information on this one?

[s]All in good time [/s] No, nothing that wasn't made up anyway

"CIA constantly working under cover to prevent terror attacks"

But obviously, everybody already knows that, so it not really news is it.

Or "[b]CIA/FBI recruit terrorists, so they have someone to arrest[/b]"

as reflected in the content of the article...

So you think it's possible to "recruit" a person with no prior history or inclination to be a terrorist then ?

Evidently...

i can remember why the IRA thought they had a reason

but have no idea what this dispute is about, whats the beef?

Evidently...

You've chosen a word which suggests "evidence" rather than "opinion"

Do you have any of the former, rather than just lots of the latter, as usual.

For your perusal...

[url= http://www.hrw.org/reports/2014/07/21/illusion-justice-0 ]the report referenced in the article[/url]

Page 2 says that to Avoid criminal prosecution all the defendants needed to do was to show that the Government induced them to commit a crime, and they were not predisposed to commit it.

Nobody referenced managed to meet those criteria.

so pretty much exactly what I already suggested before I perused your evidence.

Page 2 eh... keep going 😉

I've already answered the question I asked.

Is it possible to recruit someone who has no previous, or predisposition to terrorism, and talk them into being a terrorist.

The evidence (you provided) suggest not.

Thanks.

I've already answered the question I asked.

With a selective soundbite that echos your opinion, for example, I could counter with:

In the case of the “Newburgh Four,” for example, a judge said the government “came up with the crime, provided the means, and removed all relevant obstacles,” and had, in the process, made a terrorist out of a man “whose buffoonery is positively Shakespearean in scope.”

or indeed expanding on your example:

In theory, the defendants in these cases should be able to avoid criminal liability by making a claim of “entrapment.” However, US law requires that to prove entrapment a defendant show both that the government induced him to commit the act in question and that he was not “predisposed” to commit it.
This predisposition inquiry focuses attention on the defendant’s background, opinions, beliefs, and reputation—in other words, not on the crime, but on the nature of the defendant. This character inquiry makes it exceptionally difficult for a defendant to succeed in raising
the entrapment defense, particularly in the terrorism context, where inflammatory stereotypes and highly charged characterizations of Islam and foreigners often prevail.
Indeed, no claim of entrapment has been successful in a US federal terrorism case to date. European human rights law—instructive for interpreting internationally recognized fair trial rights—suggests that the current formulation of the US defense of entrapment may not comport with fair trial standards.

But of course, the full report is there for anyone to see...

So none of them could prove they were persuaded to commit a crime they were not predisposed to commit.

The exact question I asked you.

The fact they couldn't prove it, that's called "evidence"

The other stuff is called "opinion"

People fail in a claim of entrapment all the time, Probably because the people doing the undercover work are getting it right and targeting the right people.

Has anyone ever been falsely prosecuted in a court of law?

So that's your evidence then is it ?