[Closed] Rantzen - NI 'addicted to hatred'

"Sweeping Generalisation"

So you are suggesting that there is an element of truth in it then ?

Fair enough.

Quite nice when I was there last summer. Silly arse.

where does the name 'the fighting irish' come from?????????????

ernie - your suggesting that tough nieghbourhoods don't exist on the mainland? What sort of Nirvana do you live in mate?

ton - you spill my pint?!!! 😉

ernie - your suggesting that .........

I wasn't suggesting anything. I wasn't even arguing with you.

shocker 😆

But I will if you want me to.

Let's talk about the Normans invading and conquering Northern Ireland, shall we - you potato eating surrender monkey ?

[i]She should put her teeth back in her head [/i]

Would they all fit?

Could it be that bigotry pays? Separate schools, doctors, community centres, leisure centres, anything public money pays for gets built at least twice in NI, leading to low unemployment and high investment as all these places need staffing and maintenance. Maybe the UDA think that if they can work up a third warring faction of immigrants they can get the proportion of NI employment in the public sector up from 68% to 99%. Appeasement has changed the bank balance and electoral status of the terrorists, but not their mindset.

ton, come over here if you think you're hard enough and I'll show you, you dirty ****er!

ton, come over here

He doesn't want to ....... he's half Roma

Yeah I forgot that one. Well, he could just come down here seeing as I'm in that part lovingly referred to as "the mainland".

ER 'addicted to blithe facile bullshit'

That's Life, is it? Silly moo.

Too late - I'm already here! 😉

Ernie - glad you follow my threads so closely. How did you guess I'm part French?!

Midlife - you're spot on. There is a lot to be said for the situation in Ulster; relatively high disposable incomes, when we had the soldiers on the street we had the lowest crime rates in Europe and a grossly over paid and underworked public sector - a model for paradise in the U.K? 😆

How did you guess I'm part French?!

I had no idea. And I'm sorry to hear it .............. nothing personal mate, but I can't stand the French.

Sentences which contain no generalisations are pretty boring. You can't make a point without generalising, certainly not on television.

The question is whether there is enough truth in the generalisation to make it a sensible point, or whether it is over the line and is basically rubbish.

I know very little about Northern Ireland, but the fact that there are (obviously) plenty of people there who are not "addicted" to hatred/violence/killing policemen or whatever doesn't, by itself, seem to make the suggestion worthless or offensive. You just have to assume that the statement comes with the caveats about it being a generalisation, and deal with it on that basis. People who try to make perfectly nuanced points on television end up making no sense. It is a big weakness of the medium. 🙂

ernie_lynch
just for your information, my grandad is from newry, and my nan was from italy.
her parents were romani, from romania.
so no gadjo blood in my veins............... 😀

Sentences which contain no generalisations are pretty boring.

Pffft...another sweeping generalisation.

I saw her on Question Time the other night and she looked out of her depth even with the numpties MP's that were on

her parents were romani, from romania.

No wonder she left Italy then!!

dd???
she lived in italy till she was 27.............

Could it be that bigotry pays? Separate schools, doctors, community centres, leisure centres, anything public money pays for gets built at least twice in NI,

I don't have anything humorous or incisive to say about Rantzen's more than likely ignorant comment, but I will take umbrage with the above.

It's true that sectarianism led to a situation where it may seem there is two of everything, but if a moment's thought were utilised it becomes apparent that regardless of the split society [b]there would still be two schools etc[/b], and from my own experience more than likely full to bursting point. It's just that one is a Catholic school, one is a Protestant school, or one leisure centre is in a Catholic area and not 50% under utilised, and the other leisure centre is in a Protestant area, and neither is it sitting half empty or losing money.

I've not heard of doctors for Taigs and doctors for Huns, but I'll take your word for it.

ton - Member

dd???

In Italy they are fine with Gypsies, as long as they are 'dead Gypsies'.

Italian sunbathers relaxing and enjoying the beach next to the bodies of two dead Gypsy girls :

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[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/21/italy.race ]Gypsy girls' corpses on beach in Italy fail to put off sunbathers[/url]

Europe is entering an new era of barbarism.

The Guardian, eh? Have you read it lately? Cosmo for the literate yummy mummies.

Anyway, do you think much would change on Brighton beach should someone drown? Would anyone not related go home in mourning? I doubt it.

The world's going to hell in a Gucci handbag.

The Guardian, eh? Have you read it lately?

Yes I have. Why you asking Sodafarls ? Were other papers saying that it never happened.

Anyway, do you think much would change on Brighton beach should someone drown?

You did see how I used the word 'Europe' didn't you ?

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Actually on second thoughts, don't bother answering my questions - I really can't be arsed

Meeeeooooooooow!!!! 😆

Just to be clear, I'm not answering any of Che's questions.

A Gypsy I've no connection with, drowning on a beach is of equal consequence to me as anyone else...Anglo Saxon, First Nation American, African, Celt...blah de blah. I'd imagine lots of people drowned on beaches all over Europe in the last year. Did the Guardian report all of them?

I don't see why their death should be special, but then I'm not the type of person who believes The Guardian has any insight into the wrongs of the world or inclination to right them.

ton - Member

ernie_lynch
just for your information, my grandad is from newry, and my nan was from italy.
her parents were romani, from romania.
so no gadjo blood in my veins...............

Holy sh1t ton! What a mix - do you box for a living?! 😆

I could kick Ton's head in.

We could send him Soda Farls? 😉

I don't want to kick Ton's head in, I'm just saying I could. Maybe.

And I'm sure he would like some sodafarls, with bacon, sausages, blackpudding and beans or tomatoes.

bloody cheeky kids...................... 😀

Holy sh1t ton! What a mix - do you box for a living?!

I would say with that mix, a bit of tarmacking, a bit of "waste management" and a police informer. Ya big snitch ton!!

PMSL @ Deadly 😆

I don't mind the statement. Just the headline grabbing slef serving old bitch who said it.

Now if she had the balls to say "Northern Irish are all a shower of racist bastards" I'd applaud her, because broadly speaking she'd be right. But she didn't so **** her.

I don't mind the statement. Just the headline grabbing slef serving old bitch who said it.

So you're saying that "Northern Irish are all a shower of racist bastards" [i]wouldn't be[/i] 'headline grabbing' then ?

OK

Ton - what part of the town is your grandad from?

ernie_lynch

have you been in Belfast recently, we've masses of immigrants here now, more polish that anywhere in the uk per head of population, best thing that has happened here is a foreign influence

broadly speaking I'd say we are very tolerant to immigrants, it's each other the inbreds seem to have a problem with.

I've lived in glasgow and edinbrugh, belfast is a much more tolerant city. leeds/london/bradford/watford/manchester are all cities I've spent time in that feel very similar to belfast but currently most have worse gun crime than we do

Bloke dropped dead in a pub I used to drink in, stuck him under the pool table whilst waiting for the ambulance to show.

People carried on playing pool with his legs sticking out from the end of the table (one bloke had to slightly move one of the legs to get a better stance)and someone else drunk his leftover three quarters of a pint.

Can't imagine those two gypsies bodies would have caused that much distraction or upset to the evenings drinking.

ernie_lynch

have you been in Belfast recently.......

Eh ? I haven't given any opinions concerning whether NI is 'addicted to hatred'.

What is this ? ...........a "let's decide what ernie_lynch's opinions are and challenge them" type exercise ?

I'm simply interested in what other people have had to say. Such as Slapper claiming 'addiction to hatred' in NI was 'a sweeping generalisation, and MisterGnar apparently claiming that "Northern Irish are all a shower of racist bastards" wouldn't be "headline grabbing".

FYI there really isn't any need to 'guess' my opinions - I'm usually more than happy to give them. Even when they're not asked for.

And no, sadly I've never been anywhere in Ireland. Including the bit partitioned off by the British.

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LOL @ "Can't imagine those two gypsies bodies would have caused that much distraction or upset to the evenings drinking" !

We're not talking about 'upsetting the evening's drinking' of a load of piss-heads down the pub here. We're talking about family groups including kiddies, sunbathing, frolicking, and generally enjoying themselves, on a beach next to a couple of corpses. I don't remember as a kid on a beach being told by adults, "don't go touching any corpses now, will you".

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The incident caused an international outcry, and not only from Guardian readers. From the Daily Mail, for Sodafarls :

[url= http://www.****/news/worldnews/article-1038747/The-world-shocked-Italian-sunbathers-ignoring-dead-gipsy-girls--But-Italy-showing-chilling-Roma-children.html ]The world was shocked by Italian sunbathers ignoring dead gipsy girls... But now Italy is showing a chilling interest in Roma children[/url]

I was wondering why there were Red Cross workers in the pictures....then I read this:

Extraordinarily, the Red Cross of Italy has been persuaded by Berlusconi to help count gipsy heads and gather data on hundreds of families at 70 camps in Rome, an operation that will last until September.

The incident caused an international outcry, and not only from Guardian readers. From the Daily Mail, for Sodafarls :

The world was shocked by Italian sunbathers ignoring dead gipsy girls... But now Italy is showing a chilling interest in Roma children

Unless you can actually prove that the sunbathers were actually Italian (and not tourists from somewhere else) I'd suggest you take your xenophobic accusations somewhere else...

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why was this incident not reported in the Daily Star/The Sun/Sport... ❓

why was this incident not reported in the Daily Star/The Sun/Sport...

nobody topless ??

MisterGnar apparently claiming that "Northern Irish are all a shower of racist bastards" wouldn't be "headline grabbing".

That's not what I was "claiming". My point was that "they are addicted to hate" was just the kind of drippy headline friendly soundbite a media savvy person might come out with. Saying that the irish are racist bastards is something a normal person might come out with were they not calculating it's impact.

Would anyone here like some romas moving into their street? The Italians hatred for them is not without good reason.

MisterGnar
in your opinion, why do they hate them so much.

From the Daily Mail, for Sodafarls :

Nice to know you're thinking about me always Gus 😉

ton

MisterGnar
in your opinion, why do they hate them so much.

Because the romas operate/are a huge criminal gang ferrying coach loads of women and children into Italy each day to aggressively beg, feign disability, steal and generally pester Italians and tourists.

MisterGnar
and would you dislike it if a roma family moved into ur street... ❓

ton - Member

MisterGnar
and would you dislike it if a roma family moved into ur street...

ton in 'badly constructed argument' shocker!

ton - how many Roma live in your street then? 😉

just 1 4th generation one, and a siekh (sp?) family. 😀

I'd suggest you take your xenophobic accusations somewhere else...

Why ? ......... I reckon STW forum is an excellent place to air my 'xenophobic accusations'.
Where else would you suggest I do it ?

I'm part Italian btw. The surname "Bruno" has existed in my family.

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[i]"The Italians hatred for them is not without good reason"[/i]

He he......... it's important to have a 'good reason' for hating an ethnic group. I mean, hating an ethnic group without good reason would be simply immoral.

I'm part Italian btw. The surname "Bruno" has existed in my family.

I had no idea. And I'm sorry to hear it .............. nothing personal mate, but I can't stand Italians.

😆

I agree Slapper ..... I can't stand in the self-testiclecupping Ities.

My dad didn't agree though.

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Are you still thinking about me, Bruno?

That new Sacha Baron Cohen creation is excellent - not sure the Austrians will get it - but absolutely brilliant.

Only occasionally Sodafarls. As in : "Oh look, that **** Sodafarls has posted a load of bollox again".

hth

Bruno isn't a 'new creation' Slapper. Wake up mate.

Only occasionally Sodafarls. As in : "Oh look, that **** Sodafarls has posted a load of bollox again".

"Hottie" has six letters in it, not four Gus...

The swear filter never lies mate.

MisterGnar
and would you dislike it if a roma family moved into ur street...

I really don't need to answer that do I? What about you Ton, would you want them in your street?

MisterGnar -
romani, it would not be a problem
the thieving irish gadjo people that call themselves gypsy...that would be a problem.
proper romani people live by a strict conduct, and we all know how the others live.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks! Anyway, come on admit it, you like me...I know you do. I can feel it in my water. I like you too Gus. 😳

ton
MisterGnar -
romani, it would not be a problem

proper romani people live by a strict conduct.

Can I come and live in your bubble? It would seem that one of us has never met a roma gypsy. And I was under the impression I'd lived in close proximity to them.

the thieving irish gadjo people that call themselves gypsy...that would be a problem.

Well for a start they don't actually refer to themselves as gypsies, so I have to wonder how much, if anything you actually know about them.

MisterGnar - Member

Because the romas operate/are a huge criminal gang ferrying coach loads of women and children into Italy each day to aggressively beg, feign disability, steal and generally pester Italians and tourists.

And I was under the impression I'd lived in close proximity to them.

You live in Italy ? In a place called 'Ballywoofterton' ? Cool 8)

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btw ........ have you passed on your substantial evidence of criminal activities to the police ? If you haven't, I reckon that they would be well interested.

Specially the Italian police. What with them not liking (for good reason) gypsies and all.

ton - Member

MisterGnar -
romani, it would not be a problem
the thieving irish gadjo people that call themselves gypsy...that would be a problem.
proper romani people live by a strict conduct, and we all know how the others live.

Truth! That's the one subject we can all agree on in N.I. Everyone hates them.

There's a family I meet here regularly - its always the same crap.They pick on a local who gets sucked into their patter. I caught them with some poor kid recently as it all turned nasty but stepped in by asking in my best Belfast 'do you come from stab city?' and ushered the kid out of the chip shop. Now that really is scum.......

Ernie Lynch, you got me. I couldn't possibly have spent any time in Italy. Nor am I able to read. Or use the internet. I just made it up.

tankslapper

Now that really is scum...

Yeah they are subhuman filth, all of them, not like those lovely hard working, decent romani people - they have brown skin, so to imply they are all scum would be irrational racist hatred. Irish "gypsies" on the other hand are fair game.

Ernie Lynch, you got me.

What the **** you talking about ? 😕

I believed every single word you wrote.

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Well ? ........Did you go to the police with your information of criminal activity or not ?

Steady on MrGnarr I never said sub human filth - disliked by everyone in Ireland perhaps but.....

TROLL!

MisterGnar -
where have you had the pleasure to meet romani people and to get to know them.
my gran died when i was 11, but i remember her being a gorgeous, friendly helpful person, most peoples grandma's are probably like this tho...

gran died when i was 11, but i remember her being a gorgeous, friendly helpful person,

Not 'subhuman filth' then ?

How strange 😕

ton
my gran died when i was 11, but i remember her being a gorgeous, friendly helpful person, most peoples grandma's are probably like this tho...

Did she spend her days chasing people down the street wearing nothing but an old rag, dragging a naked toddler with her....occasionally dropping the rag for added pathetic effect?

I'm backing ton and ernie on this one. Gnar your out of order......

and she never lived in a trailer.....i think her parents lived in a house near lecce.
do not think they pinched it either............ 😆

tankslapper

I'm backing ton and ernie on this one. Gnar your out of order......

Oh god please spare me. Bloody hypocrite.

MisterGnar
where did you meet these roma people.....on holiday.....in rome, pisa, sorrento....
wonder if they are the same people who beg in........leeds,london, barcelona??????????????? 😀

I'm backing ton and ernie on this one.

And MisterGnar is backing Mr Hitler on this one.

How to deal with 'subhuman gypsy filth' Hitler style.

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ton

where did you meet these roma people...

I just live down the road from the story that sparked this thread. I've encountered plenty of gypsies on my travels. What do you want, a list?

ernie_lynch

And MisterGnar is backing Mr Hitler.

Jesus, some people really don't do sarcasm, or irony it would seem.

gnar - no knowledge of pure roma - whatever that is - but major issues with Irish 'travellers' so what your issue troll?