[Closed] Rangers Football Club going into administration

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Rangers are owned by Swiss Tony! No wonder they are in the shite!

In other news that will bother Bigbutslimmer and myself, we won't get our £100,000 from the cup game 😕 To me that is the real tragedy of one half of the [s]bigot brothers[/s] old firm going into admin.

duckman - Member

In other news that will bother Bigbutslimmer and myself, we won't get our £100,000 from the cup game To me that is the real tragedy of one half of the bigot brothers old firm going into admin.

Whyte man speak with forked tongue.

I guess Hearts are in the same boat over Wallace. Apparently Caley Thistle are also owed 100k.

Nice way to treat the clubs you expect to waive all existing rules and welcome you back into their league with nowt but a rap on the knuckles.

I think all footballing debts are meant to be paid first, but if a CVA is accepted then maybe that goes out the window? That would be poor treatment of the other clubs. WIth any luck someone will convince the club that its in their interests to pay these outstanding debts?

I was speaking with my in-laws at dinner (they are up visiting us) and my mother-in-law said that when Livingston went into administration they had to restart in the bottom league, so what's the deal with Rangers being allowed straight back into the SPL?

SFL vs SPL rules? Livingstone, I think had actually started liquidation proceedings as well.

Rangers would need a 10 to 1 vote for it from spl member clubs to get back in. I don't see Celtic voting positively, and I don't see whoever is in the relegation spot voting favourably. And that's before you look at the likes of Aberdeen Dundee utd, hibs. Don't see it myself.

Ho hum - Member

I was speaking with my in-laws at dinner (they are up visiting us) and my mother-in-law said that when Livingston went into administration they had to restart in the bottom league, so what's the deal with Rangers being allowed straight back into the SPL?

Hasn't happened yet. In uncharted waters though, with some notions of Rangers being too big to be allowed to fail, and the deal with Sky being dependent on X number of games featuring them. So there have been some murmurs about the existing rules being waived or bent.

I think if Rangers come out of administration successfully, a 10-point penalty is their sole sanction. If they become insolvent or are liquidated, as is likely if HMRC secure preferred creditor status, then as a new entity, by rights, they should go to the bottom of the league pyramid, hope another club goes bust, creating a vacancy, and start again, as happened with, say, Airdrie.

seosamh77 - Member
Rangers would need a 10 to 1 vote for it from spl member clubs to get back in. I don't see Celtic voting positively, and I don't see whoever is in the relegation spot voting favourably. And that's before you look at the likes of Aberdeen Dundee utd, hibs. Don't see it myself.

You seem to forget that Rangers are at all these teams grounds 4 times a season doubling their attendances for most of these games. Also without Rangers I doubt sky would be as interested.

Oh I see.

Thanks for the explanation.

without rangers the spl will become more exciting for the 'diddy' teams. however without the other half of the bigot brothers, celtic fans/ sky/ sponsors will get bored quickly.

If they become insolvent or are liquidated, as is likely if HMRC secure preferred creditor status, then as a new entity, by rights, they should go to the bottom of the league pyramid, hope another club goes bust, creating a vacancy, and start again, as happened with, say, Airdrie.

Why would they need to wait for a vacancy? They would have created one by going bust.

TBH I think we should all care more about the tax owed being paid back (or better still being paid in the first place) because if it isn't then we all have to make up the shortfall or endure cuts in public services.
In addition to the massive historic HMRC debts £9 million is allegedly owing under the new regime in less than a year!
So you'd rather have Rangers in the SPL or a few hospitals closed?
I think people need to put things in perspective.

lobby_dosser - Member
without rangers the spl will become more exciting for the 'diddy' teams. however without the other half of the bigot brothers, celtic fans/ sky/ sponsors will get bored quickly.

I agree the league would be better for the smaller teams though, and that their attendences would rise along with that, not a bad thing for the game tbh. And with the pittence sky gives to scottish football(in comparison) well it could probably make up some of the shortfall, not all mind.

Will there be less money, will more teams go to the wall as a result? Probably, doesn't necessarily mean the death of the game. You would see increased competition(and a downsized celtic too). But who knows where that would lead.

I personally think people saying it's the death of scottish football are a bit wide of the mark, and tbh, more sympathetic to rangers than they care to admit(clearly i'm not)..

Personally i'd take my chance without them. It was rangers that started the arms race, which hasn't done anything bar get teams in bother and a less competitive league. Maybe teams will take notice and realise they have to live within their means, whatever that entails. we are getting further away from the likes of England and Spain anyhow, so may as well go for it now imo.

Regardless, we'll see what happens, who knows what the future holds. I've a sneaky suspicion that some of these missing millions will turn up to back a new Rangers.

Why would they need to wait for a vacancy? They would have created one by going bust.

Airdrieonians created a vacancy by going bust. But then Gretna(?) filled it and Airdrie had to subsume what was left of Clydebank to get back into the league as Airdrie United.

The Scottish Football League would be no obligation to accept Rangers newco's application. As in the case of Airdrie, re-entry was not automatic. They may prefer to admit a club from the Highland League or the Junior ranks. Buckie Thistle maybe. Or St Anthony's Jnrs, since the Govan area will be under-represented. 😀

I think it was ex board member at Celtic, Michael Kelly that I heard gloating at Rangers demise today on Radio 5 Live. A recent statement from Celtic CE Peter Lawell appeared to mirror these sentiments. I haven't seriously followed Scottish football for a few years, but can understand ordinary fans having a laugh at another clubs expense, however undignified comments from prominent people within Scottish football lack grace and class and leave a sour taste in the mouth.
These self centered, parochial opinions do nothing to help sort the problems endemic in Scottish football, which few people could deny is currently on it's knees.
Some of these jokers should learn from people like Billy McNeill and John Greig!!

Some of these jokers should learn from people like Billy McNeill and John Greig!!

Agreed. Peter Lawwell is one of the most undignified men in the game if you ask me, but the fans love his rhetoric.

Perhaps the clubs will stop buying in expensive foreign talent use the academy systems to bring on young talent and scottish football will take off again.

How many non-scots in aberdeen's squad that won the cup winners cup final in '83(?).

Yay! 30th Anniversary next year and all!

All of Aberdeen's players were Scots - what chance of pulling together 11 Scots to beat Real Madrid next year?

[i]Edit [/i]- Neale Cooper was born in India, so he might qualify as the only Indian to play in the Cup Winner's Cup.

Somewhere i have a copy of the programme signed by the aberdeen team (including big fergie) and some of the Real team.

athgray - Member

undignified comments from prominent people within Scottish football lack grace and class and leave a sour taste in the mouth.
These self centered, parochial opinions do nothing to help sort the problems endemic in Scottish football, which few people could deny is currently on it's knees.
Some of these jokers should learn from people like John Greig!!

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A recent statement from Celtic CE Peter Lawell appeared to mirror these sentiments. I haven't seriously followed Scottish football for a few years, but can understand ordinary fans having a laugh at another clubs expense, however undignified comments from prominent people within Scottish football lack grace and class and leave a sour taste in the mouth

I suppose Lawell has to speak on behalf of Celtic plc- he can't really say that rangers demise will be bad for celtic (plc). In a couple of days/weeks/months when celtic plc shares start to fall Mr lawell will change his tune.

& FFS Same old tit for tat bs from Stefmacdef. maybe scotland will be better off without the OF

A guy I used to know broke John Greig's son's arm when they were at promary school. John Greig came round to his dad's house to sorth things out. My mate was was a big hun fan and didn't know whether to be ecited that John Greig was at his house or terrified.
So he weed himself

Oops! I have to hold my hands up on that one. I still think the point is valid though.

maybe scotland will be better off without the OF

Scotland would be better off without football full stop.

agree on the point about class and dignity though athgray.

Scotland would be better off without football full stop.

No football in Scotland?!

Football is a creative outlet, don't you know.

Seriously, I doubt that today's generation of football administrators have much to learn from an old guard mired in attitudes that are part of the problem.

Whatever shape Rangers take post-administration will offer them and the game as a whole the chance to shed some of the unwanted baggage and bad practice of the past. If it transpires that clubs like Celtic or Aberdeen find they do "need" Rangers for the game as a whole to thrive, the realisation that this is the case may take some of the venom out of these rivalries in future.

Could be a chance for Scottish football to cast itself anew. In the absence of Sky skewing kick-off times around Old Firm awaydays, "diddy" teams believing they're in with a more realistic shout for honours, more 3pm Saturday kick-offs, standing areas, leading to increased attendances, potentially a more competitive league, assuming Celtic cut their cloth accordingly, as they have tended to do in recent years.

do you really think that attendances will increase? St Johnstone V St Mirren on a November afternoon is not going to be a glamour game all of a sudden. The folk that stay away from these games, stay away for a reason. With or without the OF, they will still stay away. The loss of rangers 'glory hunters' is a loss of revenue going into the game- that may never be returned.

4 teams in the SPL have been in administration, how many are on the brink or will go into it?

Has everyone forgotten that the SPL is looking for a new sponsor from 2013 after the Clydesdale pull out?

lobby_dosser - Member

do you really think that attendances will increase? St Johnstone V St Mirren on a November afternoon is not going to be a glamour game all of a sudden. The folk that stay away from these games, stay away for a reason. With or without the OF, they will still stay away. The loss of rangers 'glory hunters' is a loss of revenue going into the game- that may never be returned.

4 teams in the SPL have been in administration, how many are on the brink or will go into it?

Has everyone forgotten that the SPL is looking for a new sponsor from 2013 after the Clydesdale pull out?

Folk stay away because Sky, in return for a relative pittance, provide the easy alternative of watching the game in the house or in the pub, and dick about with kick-off times to fit them in round when the English games are being played. And because they don't want to go along and watch their team in the pessimistic expectation of getting ritually humped eight times a season.

Here's a thought-provoking, opposing view:

[url= http://wingsland.podgamer.com/why-scotland-doesnt-need-rangers/ ] Wee team perspective on why Scotland doesn't need Rangers[/url]

I can't wait for the day it happens to Manchester United 🙂

I cant beleive some Rangers fans are calling for Murray to return! This is the man who openly laughed at Celtic and every other team in Scotland whilst winning titles and cups with players he realisticaly couldnt afford and was avoiding the tax on their wages. Murray made his now infamous "Tenner for a fiver" boast in 2000,was knighted in 2007 and all the while was defrauding Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs. Why is he not being dragged into court?
As for Lawell he should speak in a slightly more dignified fashion, this business will, despite what some think harm every SPL club in some way.
I have sympathy with the less glamorous employees at Rangers as jobs will no doubt be lost but no-one needs to look further than the gates of Ibrox to point the finger of blame.

The blame for this has to rest squarely at Murray's door. Why else would someone sell a football club for a quid if it wasnt about to go belly up....

Here's a thought-provoking, opposing view:

Wee team perspective on why Scotland doesn't need Rangers

interesting but i think his optimism is misplaced. Scottish football has been in decline over the past ten years, losing one of the biggest is not going to make all the other teams better all of a sudden or raise the standard of the football.

Have to admit I thought Lawell's statement about Salmond was pretty transparent as well. He should be a politician lol!

P.S. anyone remember how much it cost, roughly to go and watch the Premier League in 1985 and how that compares to nowadays?

Have found that approx. average salary in 1985 in the UK was around £9k. Figure for 2011 is around £25k. Would be interesting to see how the cost of going to a game has risen by way of comparison.

Last SPL game I went to was in Autumn 2000 to Love Street and it was £15 to pay in. Am I right in thinking away fans pay around 27 quid to get into Celtic Park these days?

Oh, the St Mirren fans seemed to take great delight in singing derogatory songs about both sides of the Old Firm (and Morton, lol!)

I went with a mate for the banter - St Mirren were just back up in the SPL that year and he bought a season ticket. I'm an Aberdeen fan but went along for the banter and the swally 🙂 Happy days - expensive! - but happy! Love Street was a great wee ground. Imagine the new ground has about as much character as all these other new stadiums which look the same.

Broadwood being a case in point - that must be the coldest place outside the Arctic Circle 😮