[Closed] Range Rover Sport HSE

I believe this won drug dealer car of the year 2011,2012 and 2013

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Anything to look out for?

more money than sense?

I would suggest that she keeps her present car so that she can get around when the RR sport is at the garage / broken down.

My wife would like one too, but I have put my foot down as I have heard many tales of woe with them.

-to give you an idea of their reputation a local car trader I know was going down to France for a holiday. He was running a RR sport and considered taking a stock (non RR sport) car instead as he was concerned about it making the journey there and back!

I am sure more specific advice will be along in a minute, but I would be very wary.

Evoque?

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Yup, somewhere to park it.

Hiddeous tosh.

unfitgeezer - Member
I believe this won drug dealer car of the year 2011,2012 and 2013

Footballer **** car of the year too iirc

Chavtastic.

My wife suggested the same a year back, so amiably I took her to said garage and we tried one, it was a barge, it wallowed, it lagged, it faffed, I fumed and gave the guy his keys back saying we already had a very nice sofa at home and didnt need another.

Think they are based on the Disco rather than Range Rover so probably lots to go wrong.

I reckon they will continue to depreciate heavily - they seem to have questionable reliability and questionable 'image' (being polite there)

What does she like about them?

She wants a Wayne rover?
Sack her.

Blimey, this is attracting some flaming... 😯

She saw one in the local dealer and decided she likes it

She saw one [s]in[/s] and the local dealer [s]and decided she likes it [/s] has one

Maybe they're viewed differently in Austria...

Friend of a friend had one he was sure he could see the fuel gauge dropping when he booted it.
Changed it fairly quickly for a 'proper' range rover, he is a geezer though. 😉

Yes they are

Maybe they're viewed differently in Austria...

No I just checked with the Austrian Drug cartel and apperntly its the car of choice as well...

I was trying to be helpful!

I would want to look underneath to see if there was any evidence of off roading (unlikely)

Tyres check for any damage as they will be expensive to replace - also look for any possible tracking issues - heavy things like this can ruin a tyre very quickly.

I believe one of the issues is the self levelling suspension - expensive to replace so do any checks you can on function and listen out for any odd noises.

Buy a warranty!

No I just checked with the Austrian Drug cartel and apperntly its the car of choice as well...

AMG M Class, shirley

Nothing to add except that the new model is lush,

has she also suggested you start dealing crystal meth?

I fumed and gave the guy his keys back

I have my Duster. Selling drugs from that is far more undercover.

mega +1

There are some common faults that most magazines that have run 2nd hand buyers guides on pick up on (shared Discovery parts) - steering and suspension get mentioned more than anything else and are four figure fixes..

Add in monster fuel consumption..

At least it's not your money iolo 😉

iolo - Member
I have my Duster. Selling drugs from that is far more undercover.

Werther's [s]paedopellets[/s] Originals from that, shirley?

 

I’ve a mate who loves them, he’s on his third in 2 years, yup the second one broke. Apart from the small boot, limited space in the rear, not a lot of headroom, squeaky dash and seats and a thirst for fuel like the USS Galveston, it wallows and takes ages to stop.
If thats what you aspire to I’m sure it’ll be fine.
If you are in Austria Shirley you seek an A6 Allroad?? ❓

[i]Werther's paedopellets Originals from that, shirley? [/i]

No, PCP - it's not known as the 'Angel Duster' for nothing...

CFH, I don't get it

Clearly money isn't an issue - so why settle for the WAGmobile*?

Far nicer cars out there! RS4 or RS6 springs to mind...

*(not quite a footballers WAGmobile, as it isn't brand new)

Get an XC90. About twice as much useable space inside, pretty bombproof volvo mechanicals (except for the 4x4 drop gear failures on very early (pre 06) models). You'll never need as much off road capability as the RRS gives (and if you use it, be prepared to do 4 figure damage to all the plastic bits underneath). Volvo is also a proper 7 seater.

At an absolute push, get a late model L322 Range Rover (not sport), they are JUST about acceptable. (it will still cost you a fortune to run and has the turning circle of a supertanker, but at least you look less like a drug dealer) For full effect, you wife however must wear Red or Mustard coloured trousers........ 😉

Not a representative sample but I have heard of two horror stories from owners - both major engine failures with Land Rover wanting nothing to do with it anymore (both just out of warranty - like yours will be...).

I'd be looking at xc90s (Edit: As would him above!)

Walk away quickly, they are the most expensive, unreliable cars I have ever owned, never ever again
Mine was 5 years old, but Christ I was glad to sell that car
Looks the part, but my god it was a lemom

I don't personally like the styling (or image!) of the sport - it's massive compromise in every regard. It's a really capable offroader underneath (Discovery) and handles well considering that - it'll never be a sports car though! Fuel economy is poor (permanent 4x4 - expect 25-30mpg) and they lack the cavernous space that the Disco has, so aren't as practical in that regard.

If you want a real 4x4 (and don't mind the bills) get a Discovery. If you don't go offroad and want a softroader then there are better out there (think X5 or similar).

They are also expensive to run with lots that can, and does, go wrong. I've well and truly scratched my Land Rover itch after about 4 years of owning Discos - as much as I love them when they're working, they cost too much to maintain.

Not to mention the fact that every time you're stuck in traffic someone will knock on the window trying to score drugs from you or your wife.....

JonEdwards They're closer in scale and shape to the original mk1 Rangies

er, not really:

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And I don't know what four figure damage you could do to the plastics underneath - not been under one but they are based on the Disco and no plastics under there. Intercooler is low and exposed at the front and the air suspension compressor is slightly exposed, but you've gotta be doing some serious offroading to damage either of those!

Residuals on Discovery's are remarkably good - dunno about sports...

A friend has had a RR sport for about five years, getting the latest autobiography 18mths ago. We call it the Cock wagon and had some plates made up 'Cock 1' for when we went on a trip in it.

Having said that, we did 500 miles in this latest incarnation and its pretty awesome. Goes like a train and is rock solid, got four blokes, four golf bags, four cases in no problem. It has a heated steering wheel FFS! 😯 Someone came in to tell us it was making a strange noise.....only to be told that it always warms itself up at 8am and 6pm for his journeys to and from work! You gotta laugh!

I'm not sure if you're familiar with the "rock gulley" at LR's Gaydon facility? Basically, it's a pretty heinous series of massive boulders and rocks, in funnily enough a gulley. A std defender can't get along it due to the lack of locking diffs but the D5/RRS and FFRR get down it fine, waving wheels several feet in the air, with the cross axle brake system acting like locking diffs, it's very impressive. But, one mistake, and boy oh boy, is it going to cost you. On one demo day, a front wheel slipped of a rock, the car landed on the front bump/sill and exhaust. 4k worth of parts (inc paint) to fix according to the proto workshop (obviously it didn't actually cost them that, but it would cost you that if it was yours). So my point was, and it applies to any modern painted sills/low plastic bumpered off roaded, that unlike a defender which you can straighten out with a hammer, for something like a RRS, the off road ability is not limited by the vehicle, but more by your wallet...... 😉

If you are going to buy one then, as with any Land Rover pay particular attention to the electrics. Indicators were not fitted as standard to these vehicles, and most purchasers chose not to have them.

Curiously though, they all feature the double flashing parking indicators (used to be known as hazard lights) which work flawlessly. The added bonus is that all RR Sport models can park wherever they want when the parking indicators are switched on - it was a deal negotiated by Land Rover with the previous government.

Been on a landrover experience day and drove a brand new range rover on and off road, £89,000 v8 did 12 to the gallon when raced, low head room,poor seats, bit like a big soft settee, powerful, thirsty, fast,drives like a transit for size,well over priced,small boot for the sixe of the thing,lots of electricals to go wrong,brakes when they bit sounded like bags of grit for pads,very expensive tyres, and wheels.

Id buy a transit more adaptable, and you dont look like a pimp or prostitute.

For once I'll quote Top Gear who.. when recently reviewing the new Range Rover sport said of the old one that it had two main problems.
1) As above it was based on the Discovery so it wasn't really a Range Rover.
2) It wasn't very sporty.

I don't know why but that always makes me smile.

Indicators were not fitted as standard to these vehicles, and most purchasers chose not to have them.

One of my clients has a 3.0 diesel HSE, 2 years old. Going through the last years accounts I found over £15k of invoices for new gearbox (inc 50% goodwill), top end rebuild, injectors and a service.
I was looking at a RR or Disco now think the XC90 is a much better prospect.

I'm struggling to judge what the general consensus might be... 😀

2 years old and he only got 50% goodwill? Surely they have a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty?

A bargain. Buy one and keep lots of mechanics and fuel stations in business.

You should move to Dunblane - half the population seem to drive Evoque's, RR sports or XC90's....

[OLD JOKE]Round here they're know as the Range Rover Clitoris...

...because every ****'s got one[/OLD JOKE}

i smell jealousy 😉

I smell a shit car...

i smell jealousy

I dunno, if I was actually jealous of having equivalent money to spend on a car, I would at least spend it on something that isn't the 4-wheel equivalent of tattooing "tw*t" on my forehead. Hideous cars for hideous people.

[OLD JOKE]Round here they're know as the Range Rover Clitoris...

...because every ****'s got one[/OLD JOKE}

I thought that was for the new litle jobby that looks like it's been dropped on its roof.

johndoh - Member

Indicators were not fitted as standard to these vehicles, and most purchasers chose not to have them.

No, really, you crack me up.

BMW owner?

[b]dashed[/b]'s post echos my thoughts, but then I also have an 8 & 1/2 y.o. D3. The forum rrsport.co.uk is a useful resource to see common problems.. As others have said, a Volvo, BMW or Audi offer sportier soft-roaders if you don't need off-road capability. For space & grunt without a big price-tag, I'd be looking at a VW Toureg.

Having just gone through this with my wife. Lots of snow last year means we have to get a 4x4 (never mind it was exceptional ). Do have to forgive her a bit as she did have to sleep in her office whilst heavily pregnant because she couldn't get home because of the snow.

Looked at an Evoque 1st but eventually persuaded her it was too small inside, esp in the boot. Looked at Freelanders ( too agricultural apparently). The boot in the Sport isn't huge either and fortunately she didn't like the image.

Went for an X5 (7 seat version) which is bloody brilliant. Very comfy, goes like stink if you boot it but not too wallowy in corners. Got a great deal on winter tyres/wheels from the dealer so should be ok this year if it does snow.

Wouldn't go for a RRS but do like the look of the new one however. Think it will have an impact on residuals of the pls one though.

this year I was lucky enough to buy a new defender (I know what to expect, but no one makes anything else like it now, and land rover wont do for much longer)

anyhow, for LESS money the dealer had a 3 year old RR sport

think it was £28000, and just out of warranty - - run a mile, any problem will be in four figures

Just get a Toyota land cruiser. Not the little pedal or colarado
But the big Amazon or what ever it's now called

If money were no object I'd look at that latest shape X5 too.
Wouldn't touch a RR with a barge pole. You've got to be pretty daft to buy one. Money Pit.

I work next door to the local RR repair shop. Its a 'very' busy place. Mate had a Disco and without a warranty, he would have been homeless. Gearboxes and diffs like regular changing. He loved it sold it and madly bought a new one for £50k. Personally I found it wallowy, uncomfortable and sitting in the back, pretty uninspiring. Hope the RR is better. I know there are better ways to spend big money on cars and that's not to.......

My mates a drug dealer and bought one as all his fellow drug dealers had them and he felt left out. Main problem he has is that a lot of people mistake him for a pimp rather than a drug dealer, which is really starting to annoy him. He says the boot isn't great for dead bodies either, it's quite high and he could fit more in his old XC90.

So as a recap, you going to go for the 3yr RR Sport then.. ?

My mother has a 10yo RR Vogue. Bloody awful thing. Unreliable, expensive and unreliable. Did I say it was unreliable? And expensive? Well, it's both.

My old boss had a RRS. Got a call from security one day to tell him he'd left the engine running. "It's got a problem with the electrics and the battery goes flat if I switch it off." "But the car park is a sealed basement...."

Went in one with work and found them to be very cheap and plasticy. This is coming from someone who drives a 11 year old van.

When they are running right they are great, as long as you don't drive an X5/Cayenne or something similar, at which point they don't quite have it.

You want big pockets, it's not going to be cheap to run, seen a couple of them with defective active anti-rollbars, it's not uncommon for the garage bill to be a grand a visit. Service costs are equally high, there are better vehicles out there.

If it was my money, X5 is nice, Cayenne older version with a good private plate, Toureg are very impressive but not posey, Q7 is ok if you want more flash.

[i]I was looking at a RR or Disco now think the XC90 is a much better prospect.
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Based on my neighbours and an ex-bosses, I'd pass on the XC90.

I drove an RRS a while back, and ignoring the lack of performance (compared to the cars I was driving at the time) I liked them.

tbh Now rather than an RRS, I'd either go Disco if I needed the space or new Freelander if I didn't - my wife has a new Freelander and it's brill. Fast, safe, solid and well equipped; plus perfect for our rural Scotland location.

None are cheap to buy/run, but then neither are other cars of that price/style/ability.

+1 X5 or one of the newer XC90s.

Didn't RandomJezza of this very parish have a RRS a while back?

Evoque?

Freelander in a skirt?

And for all those bagging the RRS's off-road credentials, it's really just a Disco, and they go anywhere. Just stick the right tyres on and you're away. As has been said, in standard trim (i.e. without aftermarket locking diffs), they'll better the Defender in quite a few situations. Our Freelander 2, whilst by conventional wisdom is severely compromised off road, performs well beyond what you'd expect by virtue of Land Rover's clever electronics. I've been straight through deep mud in it without an issue, where as a Patrol with standard central diff locked, and LSD on the rear just ground to a halt.

As for reliability, yeah, I'd worry about buying second hand with no warranty. Ours has managed to lunch its rear diff, and also forgot how much fuel it had, and it's not quite three yet. But then we do use it off road a lot.

X5's are fine and i ran one 3 three years and it never missed a beat. Servicing is around a £1k a year however going pre owned id buy from a main dealer and have the extended warranty.

Comparing the RR Sport to the X5 the x5 beats it in every area except off road ability.

If your wife is set on the Sport i would suggest an extended Land Rover warranty and managing expectations for eye watering depreciation. Running costs would be similar to the X5 but BMW dealers i have generally found to be better.

If yo can stretch have a look at the FFRR which is better in every respect except running costs but worth every penny. 12 months in and i wouldn't change

Could probably buy a new Kia Sorrento for the same money and get a 7yr warranty 💡

Bought a 55 plate Disco Dec 2006, Never missed a beat apart from having to fit the EGR blanking kit as it was lacking power on start up in cold weather ,cost me £50 and took an hour or so to fit. Its averaged 27 mpg since I bought it. I would throw your money at a newer Disco that the same coin you were spending on the Sport,and you can get the option for 7 seats.

Round our way RR sports are for the bling boys and the X5 for dealers...

Wouldn't touch either...

Thanks,
After reading this she has decided not to go for one.
They had an Infiniti FX30d in the garage too which was cheaper. Anyone know anything about these?

Why don't you just get a Skoda Octavia VRS (as is the done thing on STW) and put winter tyres on it. It will be better in the snow than RR sport

+1 for the VW Touareg

Great deals on the top spec r-line at the moment.

Much more subtle than a Range Rover Sport.

They had an Infiniti FX30d in the garage too which was cheaper. Anyone know anything about these?

Yep, it looks like a cheap, bland, poor, Chinese interpretation of the typical Essextastic 4x4, but is actually made by Nissan and costs rather a lot of money. Possibly the ugliest car I have ever had the misfortune to see on the road and all of them (all 3) I've seen so far have been driven by fat, balding, past middle aged sales type people.

Sorry, you asked 😉

They're quite common in Austria and not so expensive second hand.

catching up with this

bruk - Member
Having just gone through this with my wife. Lots of snow last year means we have to get a 4x4 (never mind it was exceptional ). Do have to forgive her a bit as she did have to sleep in her office whilst heavily pregnant because she couldn't get home because of the snow.

Seeing a number of 4x4's bogged and stuck this weekend down here in tassie by people thinking that 4x4 = magic traction just all 4 wheels spinning.

Anyway why would you buy a RRS? Still trying to think of a reason...

To be fair she did have a BMW 3 series on pretty worn summer tyres at that stage and was fine once we put the winter wheels on it in worse snow later in he year.

That hasn't convinced her that all we needed was to buy a newer 3 series though.

Logic.

3 series comes with 4wheel drive now BTW, a 330xd tourer would be pretty stonking on winters!