[Closed] Raheem Sterling

It's all very well looking at it from a fans perspective but that's not how the players look at it.

To a player the established top four are the big clubs. Real Madrid and Barca are bigger still. Liverpool's history and fan base means players will go to them over Swansea/Newcastle/West Ham/etc but to the top four over Liverpool. It takes more than one season back in the CL to change that. When was the last time Liverpool had a world class player that didn't end up moving on to a 'bigger' club? Even Sir Stevie very nearly went.

I guess big club = ability to win titles, european championships, trophies at the top level and get paid a load more irrespective of playing time.

I dont see many players heading to Real madrid or Barcelona and playing for free? Then comes the nouveux rich clubs like PSG, Citeh, Chelsea who will pay for whoever they want.

Its typical that we big up the English players but in reality our best football export was Sir Bobby Robson.

Liverpool is a big club, in fact one of the giants of the game from a historical perspective. Their last European Cup (champions/runner-ups/third place/fourth place if you win the play off League) triumph was one of the greatest games I've seen. Personally gutted they didn't win the PL last year.

Where they are now is about right, you can spend £150m but you cannot replace Suarez or an age-ing Gerrard. Much like Spurs (my club) with Bale. You can spend money but 4th is likely to be your target. To get to 1st or 2nd on a regular basis you need more like a billion these days spent over a period of years.

As a part time follower of football I would agree I'd much rather see Liverpool do well than Chelsea or Man City or United. I'm glad Leeds have imploded and I'm hoping Newcastle go down, their fans need a reality check and get rid of the chips on their shoulders about anyone from outside the city influencing their club.

Football fans are always selective when it comes to History. Pre War Man City was by far the biggest club in Manchester and if it wasn’t for the help City offered United post war who knows where they would be. People act like City or Chelsea don’t deserve to be successful as success is the divine right of the clubs who won things in the 80’s or 90’s! And as for the number of fans – highest ever attendance for a football game in England = Man City 84,569 at Main Rd in 1934! You can stick your face book followers up your arse!

I like Liverpool as we have a common enemy but the whining fans do get on my tits.

I like Liverpool as we have a common enemy but the whining fans do get on my tits.

Must have missed that as I've not seen/heard any whinging on here... or any other Liverpool discussions in honesty.

They have the 6th biggest fanbase worldwide

Is that a made up chart?

Must have missed that as I've not seen/heard any whinging on here... or any other Liverpool discussions in honesty.

No, Liverpool fans haven't turned on Sterling because he has dared to want to play for another club 😆

davidtaylforth - Member

They have the 6th biggest fanbase worldwide

Is that a made up chart?

That one was from BBC website, all the 3 links were found quickly on Google.

Pre War Man City was by far the biggest club in Manchester

City have great support [ as do Leeds and Newcastle and other teams] but only a city fans considers them to be one of the BIG teams [ no offence meant].

May change in a decade or so but not yet as their Euro record is still poor.

Possibly still is but your problem is that globally they are somewhat insignificant and their attendance currently is 30,000 below Man U.

City have great support [ as do Leeds and Newcastle and other teams] but only a city fans considers them to be one of the BIG teams [ no offence meant].

May change in a decade or so but not yet as their Euro record is still poor.

It's good that the Surey, Malaysia and Singapore fan base make you a "Big Club".
On current form , you are a long way away from it ...

[i]People act like City or Chelsea don’t deserve to be successful as success is the divine right of the clubs who won things in the 80’s or 90’s![/i]

They don't DESERVE to be successful as they have used (in Chelski's case) filthy Russian blood money to [s]win[/s]buy trophys. I'm not bitter (honestly!) but the PL doesn't lie, top two clubs again this year is spoiling football.

Got to laugh at Liverpool and Man Utd fans desperately clinging onto their 'big club' status together. Utd are truly a big club and able to generate the kind of funds to compete with Sheik money through their sheer money making ability. £300k per week for Rooney and similar for Falcao. Wow!! Why they allow themselves to be dragged into the bracket with Liverpool is beyond me. Maybe its because at the end of the day it means nothing when compared with Chelski & Man City.

Thing is Liverpool are nothing like this and in terms of revenue are on the same standing as Spurs. In fact over a 5-6yr period I would suggest they have been outperformed by spurs (haven't checked). Liverpool hate Man Utd but then they cling to them in this invisible fight to be deemed 'a big club'. Man Utd will drop you like a stone when they get back on top, which they at least have the spending power to be able to try.

Then we get City and Chelski. I am a supporter of neither but take my hats off to them. As per the current revisions in FFP if the owner wants to put in the money without risking the club then who is there to argue? Why shouldn't they? City by all accounts are benefitting their community in a massive way and their supporters are amongst the most loyal around. Why do man uts and Liverpool deserve a monopoly? You know, similar to the monopoly they had for a decade each in the 80's & 90's.

I hate chelski with a vengeance, however I take my hat off to them. Do you know they are self sustaining now? Out of all the top clubs other than arsenal they are probably the best run club in the country. They have so many players on their books that they self fund by selling a few. They make masses of money by selling players at the peak of their values (David Luiz). What is the difference to them funding themselves through Abramovich than the Glaziers funding themselves through finance? It could be deemed more ethical (I know Russian Oil money is never ethical)for the way chelski have done it than Utd.

[i]I hate chelski with a vengeance, however I take my hat off to them. Do you know they are self sustaining now?[/i]

It was recently announced that the amount put into the club by the Russian had topped £1bn.

Well done for being self sufficient! 😯

Rockape, who's money finances Man Utd? I honestly don't know but chelski are not the only club in PL with Russian money flowing through it

If it wasn't for the money put into Chelsea and City, the premiership would have become a complete borefest with united winning every year. It is Chelsea and city that have kept it interesting.

The only money put into chelski is written off debt. What amount does that stand at? Otherwise it is no worse than UTD/Glaziers financing the purchase by mortgaging them

The thing about Man Utd Hobo, is that although their finances are slightly difficult to understand since the Glaziers arrival, they do create a HUGE amount of money by being successful all over the world.

Now despite that being a big problem for the rest of the country's clubs to compete with, they have done it through merit.

I'm not a fan btw!

[i]If it wasn't for the money put into Chelsea and City, the premiership would have become a complete borefest with united winning every year. It is Chelsea and city that have kept it interesting.[/i]

Sure they'd be difficult to beat, but a lot of that was down to Fergie.

Utd - Hate the fact the aren't the school bullies anymore. Still strong but not the big boy
Liverpool - Hate the fact they were the school bully 20yrs ago but now not much more than average
Chelski - School bully for last few years but are starting to mature and settle down
Man City - New kid on the block and giving most of the old school a bloody nose. No one really wants to upset them
Arsenal - Class and integrity but will always be the nice kid who nearly wins
Spurs - Bloody amazing 🙂

Yes I agree rockape but you have to accept that a LOT of that merit is down to the fact they had more money in the first place than anyone else for decades. They didn't build their dynasty on thin air. They built it by having more money than anyone else. Chelski and City are now building dynasties

As a part time follower of football I would agree I'd much rather see Liverpool do well than Chelsea or Man City or United. I'm glad Leeds have imploded

So you like seeing Liverpool do well and finish above Spurs but you're happy Leeds fell apart? Strange thing is football.

Must admit Liverpool never really registered with me and I was quite happy when they won the CL whenever it was. Now though, having seen how the club and the fans reacted when they looked like they might be on the up last season I've changed my mind and laugh when they do badly. The level of arrogance, smugness and entitlement last season was almost at Manchester United levels and definitely worse then Man City, Chelsea or Arsenal fans. I have not added Spurs to that list as they seem to think they should be classed as an English super power even though they never really have been and probably never will be.

[i] I have not added Spurs to that list as they seem to think they should be classed as an English super power even though they never really have been and probably never will be. [/i]

How very dare you!!!!

Nah, we know what we are. Outside of the 'big' clubs and trying our best to break in for those little glimpses of success. Funny thing is we have our own Abramovich owner but even in his 70's he still wont spend it.

Utd are truly a big club

why didn't Ronaldo want to stay, why is de'gea leaving?

I think I've just realised why Stirling is a bit miffed, and wants out. Mario is on 80 grand a week, BUT....

Glen Johnson is on £120,000 a week at Liverpool.

Glen Johnson.

£120,000 a week

I'll just leave that there for you to have a think about 😯

he's off as well though isn't he?

[i]Glen Johnson.

£120,000 a week[/i]

Joe Hart's new City deal earn hime £110,000 a week but it can reach £150,000 a week with various bonuses.

[i]But Joe Hart is genuinely proven world class international. He's first on the team list week in, week out.[/i]

So there you go, you've answered your own question! Albeit he was when he signed the contract...which Sterling is keen to do asap cos he's seen how Glen Johnson has gone downhill.

It's good that the Surey, Malaysia and Singapore fan base make you a "Big Club".

On current form , you are a long way away from it ...

Long is an overestimations. Some way clearly but not a million miles off

Money, recently, has always counted in football, but some get it from benefactors some from fan base/income streams. One is considerably more sustainable than the other

why didn't Ronaldo want to stay,

why is de'gea leaving?

I assume we all think money has ruined/altered football massively

I assume we all think money has ruined/altered football massively

Nope, it is a great shame that actually winning the league is only available to a few clubs, but the reality is that the quality of football on show week in week out in the premiership is far far higher than it ever was in the past.

but the reality is that the quality of football on show week in week out in the premiership is far far higher than it ever was in the past.

It could be worse we could be in spain in which case there are only 2 winners with other madrid team coming in every now and then.

I wouldn't give Glen Johnson his bus fare home! £120 grand a week?!!

Carrying on a long line of defenders who used to be ok, but then stopped playing when they arrived at Anfield. It must be a haunted penalty area. Like Poltergeist 😆

He's a great striker and when in form, helped Liverpool to 2nd place.

Does a few dives though.

Has a lot of potential.

Are we still talking about Sterling?

Missed coutinho out ! So little I missed him ...class

Hand on my heart i really don't get why people from either side of the line are getting excited by Sterling OK he has potential, I agree he has had a decent season in a very ordinary Liverpool side. The reputed £100k a week thats on the table from my view point is already far too much.

Do I think he is wise to seek a transfer,well if he really wants to win medals and not simply make more money then possibly because Liverpool are going to remain outside the prem top four for 3 or 4 years unless something unforeseen happens. The killer question is which trophy winning team wants/needs him and I think there is only possibly City in the prem.

As for Liverpool fans getting really uptight about him going, why ? He is a Londoner, you got him from QPR, the same QPR who invested time and money bring him up via the school boy system. If you get offered any thing greater than £18m then smile, say thanks where do we sign and put him in a car/plane and take him there yourselves before the buyers come to their senses.

Right now he is very over rated and equally over priced, caveat emptor !

With regards to the manager , I worry that he has made a few bizarre purchases/tactical desicions a'la Houllier&Rafa.
For instance , no way is Joe Allen a better midfiled pick than SG , but for the past three+ months he's played him.
Lallana - why spend a fortune and hardly play him? Everytime i've seen him he's tried. Same with Lambert,why spend the money on a player you don't rate to pick? Baliotelli(sic) needs to go asap.
However , I do like the cut of BR's jib and the way he wants them to play...so....give him another season.

MSP - Member
If it wasn't for the money put into Chelsea and City, the premiership would have become a complete borefest with united winning every year. It is Chelsea and city that have kept it interesting

I don't think you can say that United would have been winning it every year, Arsenal would have had something to say about that based on the rivalry pre 'new money'. Impossible to say anyhow.

What has become obvious to me is how boring most of the leagues are around Europe (top leagues I mean). All the teams with the serious money win. Spain , France, Italy, England. The Premier League has been over for nearly three months. In Germany money has put paid to Klopp at Dortmund. Growing a team with great players that become too good and get bought by their arch rival. Same thing happened with Liverpool. Suarez's season last year , I'm not sure I've seen a better season from anyone in the premier league .He was so good him leaving was inevitable. That sucks.

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Got this in my emails this morning. Haha!

Man utd approaching liverpool for raheem. Is it a real option or just a move to unsettle him? Clearly Liverpool will be a weaker team but maybe some gamesmanship to inflate his ego so he buggers off.
I think it largely depends on the price but I cant see Liverpool accepting an offer from Man u as they occupy the last champions league place.

I wouldn`t want Glen Johnson at Bristol Rovers !

Is it a real option or just a move to unsettle him?

i say sell him. if he doesnt want to stay then its no point keeping him as all he'll do is sulk and poison the dressing room next season....i dont think he has it in him to be able to perform in the same way as suarez did in his last season before being sold
if he is sold then sell him to the highest bidder. let them pay him the money he thinks his assumed elevated status deserves and let him spend a few seasons on the bench twiddling his thumbs....he can be the next David May!
he can go on about any potential move being about footballing reasons, but we all know that is plain BS...its about the money, always has been. the fact that he's allowed his agent to believe his own hype that after 1 very good season riding on the coat tails of suarez and 1 below average season, he suddenly thinks he is genuine world class shows how deluded he has become and how easily he is manipulated by those around him. their advice will be of no benefit to his career but will be of great benefit to their own bank balances especially if the big money move does happen.

once Liverpool do get the money, i dont think it should be spent until the following has taken place:
the transfer committee is removed from post and a director of football is appointed
Bodgers is told that he will now work under this new DoF and will have to accept this is the way things will now happen, or he is replaced by Klopp

he is a young manager and has the potential to do well but i think Liverpool came for him a bit too soon. he needs guidance from an experienced manager so he would benefit from working under a director of football
there are some who want to see the return of Rafa...if this is the case then why not have the 2 working together?
for all his faults, just like Bodgers, Rafa also very nearly won the league when they came second...his premiership tactics may have been questionable but his tactical knowledge/ability when playing in Europe was hard to fault

Man utd approaching liverpool for raheem.

won't happen

April 1964 was the last time there was business between the clubs

Nope, it is a great shame that actually winning the league is only available to a few clubs, but the reality is that the quality of football on show week in week out in the premiership is far far higher than it ever was in the past.

That one is debatable, and can be argued either way until you are blue in the face.

But what can't be argued is that the amount of money, particularly the sky money, has had a hugely detrimental effect on the English national side.

Bollocks.

The biggest problem for the English national side and young English players have is the lack of proper coaches, Germany and Spain have something like 20+ times as many qualified coaches as the UK.

Blaming the money is just an excuse for not actually tacking the real problem.

But what can't be argued is that the amount of money, particularly the sky money, has had a hugely detrimental effect on the English national side.

MSP just think about how many coaches the PL could hire if it kept more of the TV revnue. Also we have the PL and the FA fighting against each other, the top clubs where (are) very greedy and not interested in the national side, the formation of the PL was so they could keep the money and dictate terms to the FA

has had a hugely detrimental effect on the English national side.

England are a very good team and consistently top 10 world side but they have never been top top drawer in my lifetime. IIRC they are also the only team to have only won one major honour - they won the world cup but i forget what year as they so rarely mention it- and no other and never made another final in any major competition. The EPL did not do this and the best players still make it through its just that the journey man pro is less common.

MSP just think about how many coaches the PL could hire if it kept more of the TV revnue.

It isn't about coaches in the PL it is the coaches in schools and youth clubs etc.

And it's not as if the money is spent on top talent, apart from the odd exception, most of the worlds best, I mean the real cream, don't go to England.

Look at how much money the likes of Villa, Newcastle et al have wasted on mediocre foreign players, it's quite sickening. I recall watching Man City and Chelsea play last season and neither side had one homegrown player in their entire SQUAD never mind their first team.

Mental.

It isn't about coaches in the PL it is the coaches in schools and youth clubs etc.

As soon as a boy is signed by a club, he's not allowed to play for his school, even at 7 or 8 years old.

[i]As soon as a boy is signed by a club, he's not allowed to play for his school, even at 7 or 8 years old.[/i]

Really? Is that true? I can understand why, but removing the best kid from his school team is appalling, as its a fantastic part of life for a sporty school kid. It was the only thing I was any good at in my school days!

It's certainly the case where I live (In Scotland, but can't see England being any different?)

There are secondary schools that are football centres of excellence up here for each region, frinstance all the young boys that are signed pro-youth (what an awful name, makes them billy big boots before they're old enough to know better) go to Grange academy in Kilmarnock, no matter where they live in the region.

I recall watching Man City and Chelsea play last season and neither side had one homegrown player in their entire SQUAD never mind their first team.

If that is true, then it would hardly be the norm for those 2 teams though. Chelsea without John Terry and Cahill and City without Hart and Milner in the squads wouldn't be their 1st choice.

England look like a half decent side at the moment and a lot of the better players are still to hit their prime, so with a lot of luck and a decent coach they could do well come Russia 2018 or Qatar 2022.

It isn't about coaches in the PL it is the coaches in schools and youth clubs etc.

A good MTB mate lived in Germany for a few years and his son went through the German youth system. He was mightily impressed.

England look like a half decent side at the moment and a lot of the better players are still to hit their prime

Been hearing that old chestnut since the days of Beckham, Scholes etc...

[i]England look like a half decent side at the moment and a lot of the better players are still to hit their prime, so with a lot of luck and a decent coach they could do well come Russia 2018 or Qatar 2022.[/i]

don't waste your time and energy even thinking it possible.......we are shit!

(in tournaments)

MSP I meant the PL could pay for the coaches, if you imagine the PL and FA where one and say, 25% of the TV money went to them then it would make a huge huge difference. The players could still live very very nicely on 75% of their wages.

Spain have managed to get all those coaches with a much poorer league where all the money just flows into 2 clubs. Blaming the PL is just an easy excuse. The lack of English players in the top clubs is just another symptom, it isn't the cause.

England look like a half decent side at the moment

They will always be half decent, occasionally very good and once [ at home] world beaters.

Junkyard - lazarus
Is it a real option or just a move to unsettle him?

Th elater I assume we dont really need him do we
Depay, Valencia, Di Maria, Young, Mata??......not exactly short in this area are we.

You forgot about Nani!

And I wouldn't really class Mata or valencia as attacking wing forward types.

Think Rockape has right - England just don't cut it at tournaments for whatever reason. Doesn't matter on the manager (we've had enough of the best come through).

I've no doubt that we will continue to be nothing more than mediocre in major tournaments. Though Greece showed in 2004 that you don't have to be the best team to win a tournament, you just need

a lot of luck and a decent coach

back to raheem.

I'm a LFC fan and think the club should sell.

It pains me to say it but Fergie would have not taken stick like this. At the first sign of any trouble/descent/big headedness he shipped them out of the club no matter how good a player (Stam, RVN etc).

Sterling is one of those players that excites to watch but his final touch/finishing/decisions tend to be poor. With his pace I wouldn't be surprised if his hammies start going in the next year or two anyway and we'll all be questioning whether he'll ever get back to his former 'greatness'.

I say take the money and be rid. Whether BR can be trusted to spend it wisely is a whole other debate!

You forgot about Nani!

And I wouldn't really class Mata or valencia as attacking wing forward types.

I quite like Nani - I think he suffered because he can play left/right (preferring right), whereas Valencia can only play right side.

Lost his confidence after that daft red card against BM as before that he was ace for a coupla goals and loads of assists.

on his day he is world class but he is erratic to the point not even he knows what he will do next.

The thing both Manc clubs have lacked in attack this season has been pace. They both have a lot of players in those positions but none of them would be considered quick. Utd have Depay now, so probably don't need Sterling, but a forward 3 of Sterling, Rooney and Depay would be good to watch.

TBH our ball retention /ponderous attack policy/slow pace means we could find room for Teddy sheringham in the line up 😉

sterling is going to have to do some serious grovelling if he wants to stay. Reds have cancelled the meeting tomorrow after agent claims he would sign for 900k per week.

I'm sure the 10% in fees are worth it. My guess hes already signed up somewhere else and the agent is getting some air time. I pity the club thats done the deal. Sterling aka new balotelli?

[i]sterling is going to have to do some serious grovelling if he wants to stay[/i]

It appears he doesn't, BBC quote: Agent says Sterling will not sign Liverpool deal

Reds have cancelled the meeting tomorrow after agent claims he would sign for 900k per week.

I read that he wouldn't sign for £900K, or any amount. His agents outburst indicated that he wants to leave Liverpool and that's it.
I'm not a soccer fan but I do find these little public spats so interesting in a voyeur way.
From an outsider, he just seems unhappy and wants to go elsewhere.

Just don't understand it to be honest unless he actually believes he's a lot better than he looks to me.

I'd rather be in the starting 11 every week in front of 55,000 shouting my name at Anfield instead of sitting on the bench at City/Arsenal/Wherever he ends up... Very strange.

I always wonder "is there more to it..."

Looking at players like Suarez to Barca, Bale to RM, Ronaldo to RM, hell, they all make sense to me. But to sign for clubs where you're either not going to play or not accomplish any more.. it's weird.

In my head I can't grasp the difference between £100k per week and £200k I guess... it's all irrelevant, Lets say at £100k that's £5m a year... or £10m a year... if you have a playing life of say the next 10 years.. that's £50m or £100m... plus of course the sponsorship deals lets call them £25mill... So he's pocketed £75m or £125m.... does it matter ? Really ? In the grand scheme of things...

Sheesh.

It's partly ego but mostly the fact the agent get's a percentage especially of transfer fees. It's in the agent's interest he signs for a new club.

you could look at it from the view he's got 10 years at the top, try and earn as much money as you can

his agent is a **** though plain and simple

You do realise that United have just put the story in the press that they're interested to wind the scousers up, don't you? And bump the price up that City will end up paying.

Nobody goes from OT direct to Anfield, or the other way.

Paul Ince went indirectly and ended up there. And I have never seen anyone at the receiving end of that level of vitriolic abuse at OT. It was relentless and full-blooded for 90 minutes!

probably nothing to do with United either, just a press story

Raheem who..?

His agent is taking legal advise due to the story of 'not for 900k' being incorrect apparently.

Why do you all say he'd be leaving to warm the bench of another team? Arsenal maybe but he'd get games at Chelsea and would be a starter at Man City imo. Who have they got that would keep him out?

Don't agree it's all about the money either. Where ever he plays he will be on a huge salary. Take Glen Johnson as the example that Liverpool pay top money so to suggest he will be on loads more somewhere else don't stack up. He obviously thinks he has more chance of winning stuff at another club and I'd personally believe someone who plays for a club and sees what goes on behind the scenes over some fans on the internet.

Why do you all say he'd be leaving to warm the bench of another team?

Because IMO he's not good enough to play regularly in a 'better' team.

Don't get me wrong, he's a good player, on his day he's fantastic, but he's a bit clueless at times and drfits out of games very regularly.

I always wonder "is there more to it..."

of course there is....he's been tapped up via his agent by another club. thats why he's stalled on the new contract and his agent is doing everything he can to force through a move. if the club make an approach they know it will get rejected so the only way they can get him is if he forces himself out of the club.

It's partly ego but mostly the fact the agent get's a percentage especially of transfer fees. It's in the agent's interest he signs for a new club.

Take Glen Johnson as the example that Liverpool pay top money

Why do you all say he'd be leaving to warm the bench of another team?
Because IMO he's not good enough to play regularly in a 'better' team.

Don't get me wrong, he's a good player, on his day he's fantastic, but he's a bit clueless at times and drfits out of games very regularly.

Raheem who..?

they gave him that big salary when they first signed him for £18m. he was then offered an extension on the same money...but it ends at the end of this season. he was offered a new deal on less money, which is what he should have been on in the first place. he's decided he doesnt want that deal and will be moving on in the summer.

The point I was making was that Liverpool can afford to pay top money so can afford to pay Stirling what he wants if they want to. They will not be priced out of keeping him if they want to keep him. This being the case it's not all about money.

Because IMO he's not good enough to play regularly in a 'better' team.

Look at Manchester City. Are you saying Nasri, Navas, Jovetic, Dezeko or Milner will definitely keep him out if he's playing well?

How many players have Manchester United, Spurs or Chelsea got that you can say, if all playing at the same level will definitely start ahead of him? I'm not saying he's ace but he's good enough to challenge for a starting place at any of the big clubs except possibly Arsenal who stock pile players in his positions.

He could move and be a flop or move and really kick on in his career. Which way it goes will be up to him.

The point I was making was that Liverpool can afford to pay top money so can afford to pay Stirling what he wants if they want to. They will not be priced out of keeping him if they want to keep him. This being the case it's not all about money.

fair point. yes they can afford to pay that sort of money...but he has already turned down close to 100k a week already...this is a significant increase form the £30k he is currently on. to command a bigger salary i would have thought he would have to prove his worth be being consistently good and not consistently inconsistent!
it is about the money...no doubt about it. i cant see how its for football reasons, especially when liverpool came within 2 points of clinching the title last season. this season they were in the CL and went on 2 good cup runs...where was Sterling? what did he contribute to this? IIRC he was nowhere to be seen for the majority of these games and contributed very little. if he is as good as he thinks he is then he would have done more instead of doing a disappearing act in crucial games.
someone mentioned in an earlier post that it was suarez who made him look good last season by helping him and giving him positional advice and playing the ball into him in good positions. if this is the case and he learnt new things off an better player, now that that better player has gone....why hasnt he been able to add what he learnt last season and apply it this season?
i'll be glad to see him go...Ibe is a better prospect anyway.

Look at it another way. Liverpool got in to the top four last season on the back of Manchester United having a shocker (which was hilarious), Spurs doing a Spurs, and having a front two in the form of their life.

This season they've been way off and were awful in the CL. They were beaten in the FA Cup by a relegation threatened team and never looked like winning anything. Before last season they looked miles off the top four and only likely to win a cup every now and then. It looks like last season was a blip and they're back to where they were.

If he moves to one of the top four he is miles more likely to play in the CL and regularly win stuff. If you disagree with this please tell me which of the current top four Liverpool are likely to replace any time soon?