[i]People act like City or Chelsea don’t deserve to be successful as success is the divine right of the clubs who won things in the 80’s or 90’s![/i]
They don't DESERVE to be successful as they have used (in Chelski's case) filthy Russian blood money to [s]win[/s]buy trophys. I'm not bitter (honestly!) but the PL doesn't lie, top two clubs again this year is spoiling football.
Got to laugh at Liverpool and Man Utd fans desperately clinging onto their 'big club' status together. Utd are truly a big club and able to generate the kind of funds to compete with Sheik money through their sheer money making ability. £300k per week for Rooney and similar for Falcao. Wow!! Why they allow themselves to be dragged into the bracket with Liverpool is beyond me. Maybe its because at the end of the day it means nothing when compared with Chelski & Man City.
Thing is Liverpool are nothing like this and in terms of revenue are on the same standing as Spurs. In fact over a 5-6yr period I would suggest they have been outperformed by spurs (haven't checked). Liverpool hate Man Utd but then they cling to them in this invisible fight to be deemed 'a big club'. Man Utd will drop you like a stone when they get back on top, which they at least have the spending power to be able to try.
Then we get City and Chelski. I am a supporter of neither but take my hats off to them. As per the current revisions in FFP if the owner wants to put in the money without risking the club then who is there to argue? Why shouldn't they? City by all accounts are benefitting their community in a massive way and their supporters are amongst the most loyal around. Why do man uts and Liverpool deserve a monopoly? You know, similar to the monopoly they had for a decade each in the 80's & 90's.
I hate chelski with a vengeance, however I take my hat off to them. Do you know they are self sustaining now? Out of all the top clubs other than arsenal they are probably the best run club in the country. They have so many players on their books that they self fund by selling a few. They make masses of money by selling players at the peak of their values (David Luiz). What is the difference to them funding themselves through Abramovich than the Glaziers funding themselves through finance? It could be deemed more ethical (I know Russian Oil money is never ethical)for the way chelski have done it than Utd.
[i]I hate chelski with a vengeance, however I take my hat off to them. Do you know they are self sustaining now?[/i]
It was recently announced that the amount put into the club by the Russian had topped £1bn.
Well done for being self sufficient! 😯
Rockape, who's money finances Man Utd? I honestly don't know but chelski are not the only club in PL with Russian money flowing through it
If it wasn't for the money put into Chelsea and City, the premiership would have become a complete borefest with united winning every year. It is Chelsea and city that have kept it interesting.
The only money put into chelski is written off debt. What amount does that stand at? Otherwise it is no worse than UTD/Glaziers financing the purchase by mortgaging them
The thing about Man Utd Hobo, is that although their finances are slightly difficult to understand since the Glaziers arrival, they do create a HUGE amount of money by being successful all over the world.
Now despite that being a big problem for the rest of the country's clubs to compete with, they have done it through merit.
I'm not a fan btw!
[i]If it wasn't for the money put into Chelsea and City, the premiership would have become a complete borefest with united winning every year. It is Chelsea and city that have kept it interesting.[/i]
Sure they'd be difficult to beat, but a lot of that was down to Fergie.
Utd - Hate the fact the aren't the school bullies anymore. Still strong but not the big boy
Liverpool - Hate the fact they were the school bully 20yrs ago but now not much more than average
Chelski - School bully for last few years but are starting to mature and settle down
Man City - New kid on the block and giving most of the old school a bloody nose. No one really wants to upset them
Arsenal - Class and integrity but will always be the nice kid who nearly wins
Spurs - Bloody amazing 🙂
Yes I agree rockape but you have to accept that a LOT of that merit is down to the fact they had more money in the first place than anyone else for decades. They didn't build their dynasty on thin air. They built it by having more money than anyone else. Chelski and City are now building dynasties
As a part time follower of football I would agree I'd much rather see Liverpool do well than Chelsea or Man City or United. I'm glad Leeds have imploded
So you like seeing Liverpool do well and finish above Spurs but you're happy Leeds fell apart? Strange thing is football.
Must admit Liverpool never really registered with me and I was quite happy when they won the CL whenever it was. Now though, having seen how the club and the fans reacted when they looked like they might be on the up last season I've changed my mind and laugh when they do badly. The level of arrogance, smugness and entitlement last season was almost at Manchester United levels and definitely worse then Man City, Chelsea or Arsenal fans. I have not added Spurs to that list as they seem to think they should be classed as an English super power even though they never really have been and probably never will be.
[i] I have not added Spurs to that list as they seem to think they should be classed as an English super power even though they never really have been and probably never will be. [/i]
How very dare you!!!!
Nah, we know what we are. Outside of the 'big' clubs and trying our best to break in for those little glimpses of success. Funny thing is we have our own Abramovich owner but even in his 70's he still wont spend it.
Utd are truly a big club
why didn't Ronaldo want to stay, why is de'gea leaving?
I think I've just realised why Stirling is a bit miffed, and wants out. Mario is on 80 grand a week, BUT....
Glen Johnson is on £120,000 a week at Liverpool.
Glen Johnson.
£120,000 a week
I'll just leave that there for you to have a think about 😯
he's off as well though isn't he?
[i]Glen Johnson.
£120,000 a week[/i]
Joe Hart's new City deal earn hime £110,000 a week but it can reach £150,000 a week with various bonuses.
[i]But Joe Hart is genuinely proven world class international. He's first on the team list week in, week out.[/i]
So there you go, you've answered your own question! Albeit he was when he signed the contract...which Sterling is keen to do asap cos he's seen how Glen Johnson has gone downhill.
It's good that the Surey, Malaysia and Singapore fan base make you a "Big Club".
And that we genreate such massive revenue without an investign owner..it is great isnt it
On current form , you are a long way away from it ...
Long is an overestimations. Some way clearly but not a million miles off
Money, recently, has always counted in football, but some get it from benefactors some from fan base/income streams. One is considerably more sustainable than the other
why didn't Ronaldo want to stay,
Boyhood team was Madrid
why is de'gea leaving?
His family and his GF live in Madrid
They never left to go to bigger clubs or just for the money
In global terms RM may be above Man U
I assume we all think money has ruined/altered football massively
I assume we all think money has ruined/altered football massively
Nope, it is a great shame that actually winning the league is only available to a few clubs, but the reality is that the quality of football on show week in week out in the premiership is far far higher than it ever was in the past.
but the reality is that the quality of football on show week in week out in the premiership is far far higher than it ever was in the past.
I think that is due to the tv rights money going up so we have more dosh in the league so therefore attract more medocrity from abroad and massage the egos of the British players here. The top 4 will still remain the same albeit in different order every now and then.
It could be worse we could be in spain in which case there are only 2 winners with other madrid team coming in every now and then.
I wouldn't give Glen Johnson his bus fare home! £120 grand a week?!!
Carrying on a long line of defenders who used to be ok, but then stopped playing when they arrived at Anfield. It must be a haunted penalty area. Like Poltergeist 😆
He's a great striker and when in form, helped Liverpool to 2nd place.
Does a few dives though.
Has a lot of potential.
Are we still talking about Sterling?
Missed coutinho out ! So little I missed him ...class
Hand on my heart i really don't get why people from either side of the line are getting excited by Sterling OK he has potential, I agree he has had a decent season in a very ordinary Liverpool side. The reputed £100k a week thats on the table from my view point is already far too much.
Do I think he is wise to seek a transfer,well if he really wants to win medals and not simply make more money then possibly because Liverpool are going to remain outside the prem top four for 3 or 4 years unless something unforeseen happens. The killer question is which trophy winning team wants/needs him and I think there is only possibly City in the prem.
As for Liverpool fans getting really uptight about him going, why ? He is a Londoner, you got him from QPR, the same QPR who invested time and money bring him up via the school boy system. If you get offered any thing greater than £18m then smile, say thanks where do we sign and put him in a car/plane and take him there yourselves before the buyers come to their senses.
Right now he is very over rated and equally over priced, caveat emptor !
With regards to the manager , I worry that he has made a few bizarre purchases/tactical desicions a'la Houllier&Rafa.
For instance , no way is Joe Allen a better midfiled pick than SG , but for the past three+ months he's played him.
Lallana - why spend a fortune and hardly play him? Everytime i've seen him he's tried. Same with Lambert,why spend the money on a player you don't rate to pick? Baliotelli(sic) needs to go asap.
However , I do like the cut of BR's jib and the way he wants them to play...so....give him another season.
MSP - Member
If it wasn't for the money put into Chelsea and City, the premiership would have become a complete borefest with united winning every year. It is Chelsea and city that have kept it interesting
I don't think you can say that United would have been winning it every year, Arsenal would have had something to say about that based on the rivalry pre 'new money'. Impossible to say anyhow.
What has become obvious to me is how boring most of the leagues are around Europe (top leagues I mean). All the teams with the serious money win. Spain , France, Italy, England. The Premier League has been over for nearly three months. In Germany money has put paid to Klopp at Dortmund. Growing a team with great players that become too good and get bought by their arch rival. Same thing happened with Liverpool. Suarez's season last year , I'm not sure I've seen a better season from anyone in the premier league .He was so good him leaving was inevitable. That sucks.
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Got this in my emails this morning. Haha!
Man utd approaching liverpool for raheem. Is it a real option or just a move to unsettle him? Clearly Liverpool will be a weaker team but maybe some gamesmanship to inflate his ego so he buggers off.
I think it largely depends on the price but I cant see Liverpool accepting an offer from Man u as they occupy the last champions league place.
I wouldn`t want Glen Johnson at Bristol Rovers !
Is it a real option or just a move to unsettle him?
Th elater I assume we dont really need him do we
Depay, Valencia, Di Maria, Young, Mata??......not exactly short in this area are we.
i say sell him. if he doesnt want to stay then its no point keeping him as all he'll do is sulk and poison the dressing room next season....i dont think he has it in him to be able to perform in the same way as suarez did in his last season before being sold
if he is sold then sell him to the highest bidder. let them pay him the money he thinks his assumed elevated status deserves and let him spend a few seasons on the bench twiddling his thumbs....he can be the next David May!
he can go on about any potential move being about footballing reasons, but we all know that is plain BS...its about the money, always has been. the fact that he's allowed his agent to believe his own hype that after 1 very good season riding on the coat tails of suarez and 1 below average season, he suddenly thinks he is genuine world class shows how deluded he has become and how easily he is manipulated by those around him. their advice will be of no benefit to his career but will be of great benefit to their own bank balances especially if the big money move does happen.
once Liverpool do get the money, i dont think it should be spent until the following has taken place:
the transfer committee is removed from post and a director of football is appointed
Bodgers is told that he will now work under this new DoF and will have to accept this is the way things will now happen, or he is replaced by Klopp
he is a young manager and has the potential to do well but i think Liverpool came for him a bit too soon. he needs guidance from an experienced manager so he would benefit from working under a director of football
there are some who want to see the return of Rafa...if this is the case then why not have the 2 working together?
for all his faults, just like Bodgers, Rafa also very nearly won the league when they came second...his premiership tactics may have been questionable but his tactical knowledge/ability when playing in Europe was hard to fault
Man utd approaching liverpool for raheem.
won't happen
April 1964 was the last time there was business between the clubs
Nope, it is a great shame that actually winning the league is only available to a few clubs, but the reality is that the quality of football on show week in week out in the premiership is far far higher than it ever was in the past.
That one is debatable, and can be argued either way until you are blue in the face.
But what can't be argued is that the amount of money, particularly the sky money, has had a hugely detrimental effect on the English national side.
Bollocks.
The biggest problem for the English national side and young English players have is the lack of proper coaches, Germany and Spain have something like 20+ times as many qualified coaches as the UK.
Blaming the money is just an excuse for not actually tacking the real problem.
But what can't be argued is that the amount of money, particularly the sky money, has had a hugely detrimental effect on the English national side.
Agreed. Alan Sugar pointed out when the PL was formed and the Sky money came in that unless the league kept a big part of it it would go straight out of the clubs and into players wages. The PL pays so well it attracts all the foreign players and our home grown talent finds it very hard to get a look in. Spurs nearly sold Harry Kane and he'd been out on loan numerous times (Leyton Orient, Millwall, Leicester, Norwich) all this before he was 20
MSP just think about how many coaches the PL could hire if it kept more of the TV revnue. Also we have the PL and the FA fighting against each other, the top clubs where (are) very greedy and not interested in the national side, the formation of the PL was so they could keep the money and dictate terms to the FA
has had a hugely detrimental effect on the English national side.
You were average before and you are still average/ still make the tournaments still dont win them
England are a very good team and consistently top 10 world side but they have never been top top drawer in my lifetime. IIRC they are also the only team to have only won one major honour - they won the world cup but i forget what year as they so rarely mention it- and no other and never made another final in any major competition. The EPL did not do this and the best players still make it through its just that the journey man pro is less common.
MSP just think about how many coaches the PL could hire if it kept more of the TV revnue.
It isn't about coaches in the PL it is the coaches in schools and youth clubs etc.
And it's not as if the money is spent on top talent, apart from the odd exception, most of the worlds best, I mean the real cream, don't go to England.
Look at how much money the likes of Villa, Newcastle et al have wasted on mediocre foreign players, it's quite sickening. I recall watching Man City and Chelsea play last season and neither side had one homegrown player in their entire SQUAD never mind their first team.
Mental.
It isn't about coaches in the PL it is the coaches in schools and youth clubs etc.
As soon as a boy is signed by a club, he's not allowed to play for his school, even at 7 or 8 years old.
[i]As soon as a boy is signed by a club, he's not allowed to play for his school, even at 7 or 8 years old.[/i]
Really? Is that true? I can understand why, but removing the best kid from his school team is appalling, as its a fantastic part of life for a sporty school kid. It was the only thing I was any good at in my school days!
It's certainly the case where I live (In Scotland, but can't see England being any different?)
There are secondary schools that are football centres of excellence up here for each region, frinstance all the young boys that are signed pro-youth (what an awful name, makes them billy big boots before they're old enough to know better) go to Grange academy in Kilmarnock, no matter where they live in the region.
I recall watching Man City and Chelsea play last season and neither side had one homegrown player in their entire SQUAD never mind their first team.
If that is true, then it would hardly be the norm for those 2 teams though. Chelsea without John Terry and Cahill and City without Hart and Milner in the squads wouldn't be their 1st choice.
England look like a half decent side at the moment and a lot of the better players are still to hit their prime, so with a lot of luck and a decent coach they could do well come Russia 2018 or Qatar 2022.
It isn't about coaches in the PL it is the coaches in schools and youth clubs etc.
MSP I meant the PL could pay for the coaches, if you imagine the PL and FA where one and say, 25% of the TV money went to them then it would make a huge huge difference. The players could still live very very nicely on 75% of their wages.
A good MTB mate lived in Germany for a few years and his son went through the German youth system. He was mightily impressed.
England look like a half decent side at the moment and a lot of the better players are still to hit their prime
Been hearing that old chestnut since the days of Beckham, Scholes etc...
[i]England look like a half decent side at the moment and a lot of the better players are still to hit their prime, so with a lot of luck and a decent coach they could do well come Russia 2018 or Qatar 2022.[/i]
don't waste your time and energy even thinking it possible.......we are shit!
(in tournaments)
