[Closed] putting a healthy dog down......sad.

The woman should have known better.

Shame they couldn't have tried to find it a good home.

Thats very sad, sounds like the right option though. I love dogs but they are just dogs.

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I'm in agreement with Drac on this. Really sorry that the dog was put to sleep. Someone who works with dogs should know better.

Hope your son is okay though, sounds like a rough time all round.

That is a young dog still trying to learn.

That woman is stupid ...

Animal is usually unpredictable.

That is a young dog still trying to learn.

That woman is stupid ...

Animal is usually unpredictable.

Complete bollocks from you. Dogs are predictable, mine wouldnt bite anyone in the face. No dog learns from biting someone.

Dogs are [b]mostly[/b] predictable, mine [s]wouldnt[/s] hasn't bitten anyone in the face. No dog learns from biting someone [b]unless taught[/b]

Every puppy ideally learns not to bite. A dog is naturally uncomfortable/threatened with a surprise mouth coming at it. Groomer should know better.

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Complete bollocks from you. Dogs are predictable, mine wouldnt bite anyone in the face. No dog learns from biting someone.

Really? Give it a try by bending down to kiss someone else dog that you are not very familiar with. See if all dogs are the same (like your own).

I think what Chewkw meant was you can't trust any dog. I wouldn't trust mine 100% he's a dog, if he feels threatend enough he'll bite, putting your drunken face directly towards someone elses dog is asking for trouble. My brothers own dog bit him when he approached her when he was a bit worse for wear, caught him right on the nose.

He didn't have her put down though as it was his fault.

Actually Ckewkw is only half wrong - which for him is impressive.

Trying to kiss a dog you don't know? That's foolhardy. Dogs don't like it but they will put up with it from folks they know & trust. It can be quite threatening for them.

I'm a little surprised a dog groomer would do such a thing.

FYI I was a dog trainer at Battersea.

I agree with chewkw.

Shudders....

Goes for a wash.

Scared dog. Drunk person cooing and arring and pushing into a dogs face and frigtening them. Growl as a deterrant then a warning snap/bite .

If the dog was truly vicious once it had bitten it would have ripped her face off especially being a mastiff/ridgeback.

Sign of an untrained dog that is doing something naturally. Highlights the problem of owning powerful breeds that need really strong leadership and training instilled into them from a puppy.

Really? Give it a try by bending down to kiss someone else dog that you are not very familiar with. See if all dogs are the same (like your own).

Thats not what I said though is it. Its entirely predictable that a dog that has already bitten someone in the face is likely to do it again just as its preductable that my dog wouldnt do this. Dogs are predictable which is why you said the women was foolish to do what she did. You made a prediction about dog behaviour and you were right you couldnt do that if they werent predictable.

sounds like it was a convenient excuse to get rid of the dog if you ask me.

Dogs are predictable which is why you said the women was foolish to do what she did. You made a prediction about dog behaviour and you were right you couldnt do that if they werent predictable.

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anyway, they bought a pup a year ago. pup turned into a big ridgeback/mastiff cross. way to big for them.

Totally irresponsible. Pup didn't turn into anything, it grew in to what it was always going to be. They must of known it's parents size when they bought it?

saturday night, they went out together with some other friends. trying to keep friendly. when they returned full of drink, one of the women bent down to try and kiss the dog.

So this big dog is routinely left alone for extended lengths of time? Doesn't sound good to me.

he didnt take to kindly to that, and growled then bit the woman on the lip. 6 stitches and a few other marks on her face.

If he had really gone for her it would of been a lot worse. Stupid thing to do.

I feel really sorry for that dog. He deserved better.

[quoteFunkyDunc - Member

sounds like it was a convenient excuse to get rid of the dog if you ask me.

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This ^

Big pups grow into big dogs and when you get a pup you I'd assume was seen with it's mother so you get an idea of size?
The dog was put in a situation that it was obviously uncomfortable with by a group of drunk people and in particular, someone that works with dogs (I wouldn't be trusting her my my dog).
The dog growled- pretty sure that's a warning sign and the woman didn't move away? Then after warning the drunk woman the dog bit her.
If the dog wanted to really go for the women then wouldn't he bite and hold and then possibly shook its head whilst still biting?
Sorry but the OP's son and guests are totally responsible for the needless death of a dog. Shame on them!

I take it that the son and ex-wife won't be getting another dog?

Sounds like a real Jeremy Kyle family. 😆

Animals are not predictable (and I count humans in that)

Anyone that has animals should know that.

Nice arguing dickwads :/

Ton: The crappy feeling is understandable and reflects well on you as a person - the not nice people in this world don't care about things like this. It's fine, though - the dog didn't suffer.

[quoteRob Hilton - Member

Nice arguing dickwads :/

Classy!

cheers Rob, appreciated mate.

just to clear up a couple of points.
the pup was not seen when they bought it, I told them not to buy a dog without seeing the parents, I was ignored. I am a lifelong dog owner.

the dog was not left alone for long periods. on the night in question a family member was babysitting the kids and dog whilst they went out.

and I agree that this was a reason for my sons wife (who wanted to keep the dog when they split) to get rid of the dog, when she realised it was going to be a hassle keeping it.

was putting the groomer down for being stupid an option?

the dog didn't suffer.

Really? A pack animal that was never really wanted and part of any "pack"?

Killed after a year because it wasn't wanted? Sounds a pretty miserable existence to me.

I wouldn't trust mine 100% he's a dog, if he feels threatend enough he'll bite, putting your drunken face directly towards someone elses dog is asking for trouble. My [s]brothers [/s]own dog bit [s]him [/s][b]me [/b]when [s]he [/s] [b]I[/b] approached [s]her [/s] [b]him[/b] when [s]he [/s] I was a bit worse for wear, [s]caught him right on the[/s] [b]just missed my[/b] nose.

[s]He [/s] [b]I [/b]didn't have [s]her [/s] [b]him [/b]put down though as it was [s]his [/s] [b]my[/b] fault.

Ours is a rescue, and whilst pretty docile 98% of the time, if he feels threatened or cornered he'll snap.

Ton - it is horrible though. I've good a good mate who had to have one of their dogs put down because it had a tendency to bite. Real shame, he was an otherwise lovely dog, and they were gutted

Is it me, or are threads about dogs always guaranteed to engender the highest levels of STW bellendery?

Ermmm! What's that about IHN?

Its hardly clutching at straws. Dogs are predictable, otherwise how can we criticise the women for doing something that had predictable results?
Its also predictable that a dog that has bitten once will be likely to do it again. Hence the rehomers wouldnt take it and given the owners had kids they made a correct yet sad decision.

What's what about? I was a bit drunk, acted in a way which made my dog feel threatened and he tried to bite me.

Oh, sorry, wasn't implying it was you, I was trying to show that your answer was a common example.

Oh, sorry, wasn't implying it was you, I was trying to show that your answer was a common example.

I wasn't sure cheers for clarifying.

Dogs are predictable, otherwise how can we criticise the women for doing something that had predictable results?

Keep digging.

Really? A pack animal that was never really wanted and part of any "pack"?

Many say dogs aren't pack animals. Oh, look I've entered the argument and it's going off at a tangent...

Killed after a year because it wasn't wanted? Sounds a pretty miserable existence to me.

Best thing for it then, surely?? Obviously the non-suffering thing relates to how it died - unlikely to have been with a rusty spoon, don't you think?

Death really isn't so bad to those it happens to, they've been switched off and know nothing. It's the ones who remember them that have the pain.

Its also predictable that a dog that has bitten once will be likely to do it again.

Not true in the slightest.

Where's your reasoning? Examples? A dog may bite again IF it feels threatened, or it may not..

You need to understand dogs a little better, yes they are unpredictable but with practice & knowledge they can become easier to read. They are, after all, most definitely communicating with us though these signs can be very subtle & easy to miss.

Just because a dogs bitten once DOES NOT MEAN IT WILL BITE AGAIN.

Keep digging.

Keep not engaging.
If dogs are not predictable why do we criticise the womens behaviour towards the dog. Its not hard to grasp but then this is stw

Many say dogs aren't pack animals.

I had my 6yr old collie put down last year. hard, really hard. 99.99% of the time he was a docile, fantastic dog.

the other 0.01% it was a child's face. luckily for her it was just a graze. she knew him, she'd played with him many times before with my son and was doing nothing wrong. I was there and he didn't show any warning signs or aggression. the warning was the bite.

we looked at all the options including rehoming but no one want's a rescue collie, let alone one that's bitten. We tried places up and down the country. we were even advised to play down the biting incident by one place if we wanted him rehomed!!

after a couple of long discussions with the vet we had him put down. One of the hardest decisions I've had to make and still makes me sad now.

I still wonder if there is anything different we could have done but how do you 'train' out a response that is so unpredictable?

Just because a dogs bitten once DOES NOT MEAN IT WILL BITE AGAIN.

But what if it does? Is that a risk you can take can an owner?
Sure, what do you care, it unlikely to turn on the alpha ( as the owner )

I'm not pro or anti dogs but I think they should be put down if they bite.

and they are right because dogs dont form packs.

OK. I know that there is some debate over what actually constitutes a "pack" and all that goes with it.

However, dogs are social animals and live in groups and need the interaction. Call it whatever you like, they still need to be in a "group".

If dogs are not predictable why do we criticise the womens behaviour towards the dog

Because it was foolish approaching a dog face first not knowing how it would react, you unknown as in she couldn't predict. Like I said I'm 99% sure how my dog will behave but I don't trust him 100% as you can't say for certain. Seems you're struggling to engage.

Just because a dogs bitten once DOES NOT MEAN IT WILL BITE AGAIN.

Perhaps not "will" but surely more likely to. The dog's trust and RSPCA have huge experience of dogs and wouldn't take the dog because of the biting. Are they completely wrong about this ??
Very sad all round 🙁 and highlights the importance of getting the right dog if one at all.

Sure, what do you care

As someone who worked in a rescue home I find that comment facile in the extreme.

My point being, is that it is possible to make a reasonable assessment on a dogs likelihood of biting. It is then possible to avoid scenarios where a dog may feel that it's only recourse is to bite.

However, they are still animals ergo unpredictable.

Are they completely wrong about this ??

Did I say they were? Please show me where I did.

I'm going to get flamed for this, but I also think there's a difference between an 'aggressive' bite, and a 'defensive' snap (which usually have a much lower level of 'intensity' on the dog's part). The former cannot be tolerated, but the latter is more of a learning point for the human, not the dog.

Exactly IHN a warning nip isn't the same as a full bite but a nip from a Mastiff is a big nip though. But who would have thought a Mastiff pup would grow so big.

You need to understand dogs a little better, yes they are unpredictable but with practice & knowledge they can become easier to read. They are, after all, most definitely communicating with us though these signs can be very subtle & easy to miss.

So what you are saying is they are predictable?

Because it was foolish approaching a dog face first not knowing how it would react, you unknown as in she couldn't predict.

So she was foolish because it was predictable she was increasing greatly the probability of getting bitten?

My point being, is that it is possible to make a reasonable assessment on a dogs likelihood of biting. It is then possible to avoid scenarios where a dog may feel that it's only recourse is to bite.

However, they are still animals ergo unpredictable.

I give up!
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