[Closed] Pulled for speeding, but I wasn't speeding. What can I do?

I would be tempted to say that pulling away sharply from the lights and doing 35-ish with a marked car behind may be read by some officers as either taking the pee or not using your mirrors.

But bottom line if you do enough miles you'll get pulled. everyone breaks the speed limit at some point, anyone who says they don't is just kidding themselves.

How about you ask for the evidence? If you go in to ask them because you may have to have the cab looked at as you were aware of the situation, with plod behind you, and you were minding your Ps and Qs. So not aggressive, just asking.

It looked like you gave them 3 separate calibration events as well so they will be able to give you good solid evidence.

So you want to contact the police and ask them to reissue the ticket for a different speed but the same offence?

Maybe black cabs have HUD these days so there is no way he could have crept up to 35 from his noted 33 when he was not watching the speedo to watch the road.

I'll try again.

How
Do
You
Know
This ??

The
speedo
clearly
indicated
less
than
35mph

So you want to contact the police and ask them to reissue the ticket for a different speed but the same offence?

No, I want the ticket rescinded. But it would show that the original ticket was issued in error, which would help my case.

Could it be that they know you from your less law-abiding days? 😉

(Part messin'/part serious comment)

Does seem weirdly harsh given the scenario described.

The
speedo
clearly
indicated
less
than
35mph

And you last had your speedo calibrated when ?

And that is my point...

mates a road copper and his unmarked focus st is tricked out like an epsisode of the gadget show, think he has 3 cameras in there, two forward facing and a rear.

Just fill in the ' I want my day in Court bit' , then get specialist legal advice if you intend to take it on because you doubt the integrity of the evidence against you. Don't cabbies have an association or other organisation that may help/ provide legal advice, may be worth a consultation before you do anything?

Well, I'll go and produce on Wednesday and see if it goes anywhere from there. Most Police are pretty reasonable in my experience, hence my surprise on Sunday morning.

Hopefully I'll be pointed in the direction of someone who'll at least listen to my point, if I still get nowhere then I'll have to take it on the chin, not going to let it go to court. Going on a policewoman's word is just not acceptable IMO, at least they should show you proof at the speed they SAY you were doing.

And that is my point...

What is your point ?

That your speedo isn't calibrated, so you don't know how fast you were doing ?

So it may have been out, it certainly didn't indicate the speed they say I was doing.

I can understand that you don't want the points given that you're a cabbie. Won't you get the option of a driver awareness course though, meaning that you won't get points on your license? Of course that presumes that you haven't been on one in the last few years.....

Can't see you getting anyone to listen to your argument unless you fight it/make a complaint.

If you could swear blind you were driving under 30 I could share your feelings of being hard done by.
But in your situation I would be kicking myself for being a numpty (something I do often) and stop looking to blame someone else. You had the lead foot off the lights knowing police were present and them broke the speed limit.

Stop fixating on the 2mph accept you were wrong and move on.

So it may have been out, so while it certainly didn't indicate the speed they say I was doing, I could have been doing the speed they say I was doing, because it may have been out.

As I understand it
the officer has issued you with an NIP for exceeding the 30mph limit
you dispute this

The NIP is a way of disposing of the offence without the need to go to court. you effectively self convict

If you dispute it you have the right to go to court to contest the charge.
how are you going to contest it? you could get your cab speedo calibrated. That will cost more than the fine (or course)

to dispute the officers case would mean paying for their car to be tested as I would guess their evidence would be they formed a prior opinion you were speeding, checked against there own speedo, both agreed you were over the 30 limit

when asked in court, under oath what speed you thought you were doing and you respond, oh 33mph that's still more than 30. You will be found guilty. Fined more than you would be if you pay it now (what is it £100 for the ticket or £80 for the course?) and you'll pay a victim surcharge as well. You loose the right to the course if you go to court, and the court could issue more that 3 points if they wanted

pepipoo can be good for advice on stuff like this. you might want to take a look.

So it may have been out, it certainly didn't indicate the speed they say I was doing.

It doesn't need to.

The speed you were actually doing is what matters, not what the needle says.

If they have an onboard camera that displays GPS speed, then that's what they will take notice of.
Or a properly calibrated speedo.
Or a satnav on the dash.

Etc.

If you'd mentioned it at the time they can get a traffic car out to test the speed of their car and yours to see what the speedo says and if they were correct in their decision. Of course you didn't do that so now have to try another appeal.

For the record my speedo on my current and last few cars has matched my GPS perfectly.

What martyns said really - unless you're prepared to lie in court about what speed your cab speedo said you were doing it's all a bit academic isn't it?

[i]I guess I'll have to, though given the time and location it is ridiculously harsh. But saying I was doing 35 is a lie. [/i]

Some you win, some you lose - what speed do you normally drive down that road at 0530?

How come I never see any of you holier than thou bunch when I'm out on the road. Is there a special STW troll road where you all drive at 29.9 MPH in a 30?

Meh, I'm going on a limb and saying (personal details obfuscated) pic of the producer, or it didn't happen 😀

Knob head copper ticketed you for doing 33 mph in a 30

Cos' she could, and cos' she's a knob head.

Ignore the dicks on here telling you off for doing 33 mph in a 30, they are dicks.

Cougar . The law is the law 32 got her 3 points and £100 fine, location, location, location... she took it on the chin. She was speeding.

If the Op wants injustice I got flashed doing 47 in a 50 as the camera got reset to 40 due to road works some knob nicked the 40 signs

Eloquently put.

That'll help use the knob head thing as the foundation for your case!

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I'm not sure many are preaching about speeding, just astounded he knowingly did it in front of police and is surprised he was ticketed.

Can I respectfully suggest that you might get more accurate advice on the pepipoo forums rather than a mountain biking forum.

Is there someone (as in job title) within the local force I can speak to over this? I am sure that most of the Police around here would probably agree that a ticket on Gt Homer St for doing 33mph at 05.30 is pretty harsh

But she may have been returuing from a fatal rtc, etc, and still be in an upset state, taxis do run people down,along with buses and cars.

Youll also need to inform your employer about the points, and also your personal car insurer,because it will increrase your risk and cost you and them possibly more.

GPS only measure in flat lines, they cant measure down or up hills, just the distance between a and b.

http://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/how-accurate-is-a-car-speedometer/

If anything, it's 'cos, not Cos'

Neither are really acceptable.

How come I never see any of you holier than thou bunch when I'm out on the road. Is there a special STW troll road where you all drive at 29.9 MPH in a 30?

I drive at 29.9mph when there is a police car going the same direction and speed. It's not like it's a vast inconvenience to need to drive at the speed limit when there is a police car in the next lane. How often does it happen?

Yes I speed sometimes. If I got caught I'd put my hands up, pay it, accept the points and consider it reasonable justice for my decades of speeding without being caught.

😆

Cos' I've had a beer

Is your question "i was breaking the speed limit can I get away with it because the police might be wrong about by how much I was breaking the speed limit or I might be, but anyway I deliberately drove faster than the limit infront of the police can I be let off please?"
If so the answer is no.
A police officers opinion as to speed needs to be corroborated either by a speedo or another witness , or by your confession to speeding.

Nob head, I thought the correct terminology was tit head.

Although I can't remember the last time I saw a radic in a tunic walking 7ft tall including helmet.
Do they still have helmets?

loddrik - Member

Understandable, but me, at 05.30 in the morning, on (Gt Homer St, for those that know Liverpool)[b] [u]a wide, deserted road with no residential properties anywhere near,[/u][/b] certainly no pedestrians whatsoever. It's ridiculous in the extreme.

[b]This is very harsh to the point of being anal.[/b] Have humanity suffered an increase in some sort of brain rigidity fluid?

Earning a living is harsh enough and by applying rigid law, just because the authority can, in such a way only proof that the society is slowly creeping towards a society of job worth.

Few days ago I was debating with my Jewish Rigid Scientific Minded Facts Proven None God Believing PhD All Knowing friend about the case of the White Van driver being ticketed for driving 20mph in a completely empty M1 ... He said the white van was a moving obstruction so was in the wrong ... Crikey if life is that rigid no wonder everyone is stressed. I mean he got very annoyed at others cutting in front of him or the car in front of other car ... FFS! Calm down ... if you are going to die you will die regardless of how careful you are.

I mean it was a non-issue for me for other driver to cut in me infront of me as I am very use to this sort of driving. Yes, yes, I used to drive in the SE Asia and to be frank they are not anal at all about rules. Rules should not over dictate ...

Live and let live ... give the working people some breathing space will you!

30mph limit and he is prosecuted for driving at 33mph in a no man zone? You think he is dangerous? FFS! Even the communist don't do that ...

😯

edit: I was stopped by the police because I drove on the same road too many times at night in GeordieLand ... I kid you not. I was driving at night because of the low traffic to get myself familiarised with the direction. They stopped me and came up with an excuse that I was not driving straight or something like that. 🙄

edit edit: Oh ya ... I like cruising at low speed "gangster" style but was told I would be in the wrong if I do that. Yes, I am used to driving at night at slow speed just to enjoy the coolness of the air while I was in the far east.

I drive at 29.9mph when there is a police car going the same direction and speed.

ivorhogseye - Member

I drive at 29.9mph when there is a police car going the same direction and speed.

How do you know?

If he said he looked at the speedo meter then he is in trouble too because he was not watching the road. This is how anal it can be.

Speeding offences etc: admissibility of certain evidence. Evidence ... of a fact relevant to proceedings for an offence to which this section applies may be given by the production of —

(a) a record produced by a prescribed device

[url= http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/40/section/23 ]Link[/url]. So yes, it needs more than their word - but (and it's a big but) it could be that their speedometer is calibrated. TBH chances are it is.

If it is then I'm afraid you're out of luck, if it isn't then you'll be fine. Unfortunately the only way to find out would be to have it heard at your mags court. It's a [i]lot[/i] of aggro (and I'd strongly recommend a few hours with a motoring solicitor), quite honestly it'll be less aggro to accept it - however pissed off you are.

Heads they win, tails you loose I'm afraid 😐 Head on over to the pepipoo forums to have a feel of the situation.

Their word. A police officer should be a fine upstanding citizen who's word should count for something.
Which Is why I was surprised to learn last year there are officers with convictions, convictions that were brought up in court to discredit said officers integrity when giving evidence in court.

Reason enough for me to find proposals to allow people with criminal convictions to join the police completely outrageous.

I would have loved to have been a rozzer when I left school.
But I would have had to arrested most of the people I knew including relations for one thing or another.

Not read the other posts, so this may have been said.
Contest the ticket, and ask to see the calibration certificate for the police car speedo.
Unless it is a proper traffic car, it may not have one.
You can also check your speedo with a gps of some sort.

chip - Member

I would have loved to have been a rozzer when I left school.
But I would have had to arrested most of the people I knew including relations for one thing or another.

If I were to become a cop you lot are all in trouble as I like playing the [s]trigger happy[/s] bad cop with baton. 😈

edit: oh ya ... that's why it is worth investing in something like a Nextbase iN-CAR CAM 402-G or any dashcam with information related to your driving.

chip - Member

Their word. A police officer should be a fine upstanding citizen who's word should count for something.

A bit like saying politicians are honest people innit! 😆

Ahhh! Must be beer O'clock.

Mods, please close this thread. The OP doesn't understand basic facts.
"though given the time and location it is ridiculously harsh"
There is no harshness about its. It's the law. Variations that you are trying to beg are softness or good humour that no one has right to expect. You broke the law. Time, place or anything is totally irrelevant. No argument. FACT.
IF you feel you have been unfairly accused then appeal to the proper places, not here.
It is obvious that you were speeding as you have said so. You do not know how fast you were doing. You think you know. You have said that.
Give up. You are wrong and like a naughty boy are just digging yourself a hole here.

not really related to the OP directly,

but there is a scheme in place to reduce the amount of serious injury from RTA's, its focus is on drivers who just creep over the limit, and educating them.

it is working, many more people are walking around today that would not have been before the enforcement and education of this large body of drivers, of course we all have done it sometime.

30 and 20 mph speed limits are going to be enforced rigidly in the future, but its easy to avoid getting pulled up. 😉

sorry for the dull vid about residual speed.

mattsccm - Member
It's the law.

They are all created by mankind so is being rigid. Fact!

[b]He is Not speeding. [/b]

I say challenge them if you got the funds but be prepared to the face the power of bureaucracy as that is another weapon they have up their sleeves.

IF you feel you have been unfairly accused then appeal to the proper places, not here.

Why not here? Are you involuntarily typing what you think? 😯

iffoverload - Member

sorry for the dull vid about residual speed.

What the vid does not say is someone driving on an empty road at 33mph. 😯

Well, this thread has certainly picked up in the last 56 minutes...

The OP.

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Get over it, you were wrong, got caught.
Now pay up. Go on your speed awareness course and bloody slow down.

Feel for you OP, know the road well & know the usual pace of traffic flow on match day, never mind 05:30am 😕

Contest the ticket then sit back and wait for the letter telling you the paperwork has been lost.

I was just giving a general heads up on the drive to catch people who drift above the speed limit, getting points and fines is a pain..

and more importantly trying to point out why a seemingly trivial increase in speed makes a big difference.

You can also check your speedo with a gps of some sort.

Sorry Officer but.......STRAAAAVAAAHHHHHHH!

theocb - Member

Contest the ticket then sit back and wait for the letter telling you the paperwork has been lost.

Or worst case scenario please fill in this form then triplicate it by posting it to three different locations, then duplicate the form again to other departments. In the meantime please comply with the rules of application by reading this 400 pages instruction on website. Opps the website is down and it is not our responsibility but the IT dept so please contact the IT dept. IT dept has acknowledged the problem and will get back to you in no time. In the meantime please select options ... 😆

iffoverload - Member

and more importantly trying to point out why a seemingly trivial increase in speed makes a big difference.

Absolutely, I know your good intention but to be frank you lot in UK drive like speed demon with plenty of last minute heavy braking ... clam down will you. I think the speedo meter should switch to international standard of KM rather than Mph. 😀

Things to never ever start a STW thread on...

Speeding, speed tickets or driving quickly
Alcohol and driving
What 4x4 to drop the kids off at school
Motorway lane hogging

It never ends well

loddrik - Member

I already said I wasn't doing 35, they SAID I was, hence my grievance, I know I wasn't doing 35. If they give me a ticket for doing 33 well that's my carelessness, but saying I was doing 35 in a 30 is wrong, hence why I want to appeal.

"Your honour, I wish to make a special defence, that while I was committing the offence I was charged with, I was doing it by a slightly different amount". It's like that time I murdered 4 people but when the arrested me they only charged me with 3 murders, it took [i]ages[/i] to convince them about the 4th one. Mugs.

If it had been 5:30pm on Gt Homer St you would probably been the slowest thing on there!
Were you going in or out of town as your 3 light get away coming out would have only been over about 300 meters if you went across Islington?

I'm guessing the pulling away from them bit probably sealed your fate though they must have been very slow away from the lights to get out dragged by a black cab!!

Northwind - Member

"Your honour, I wish to make a special defence, that while I was committing the offence I was charged with, I was doing it by a slightly different amount". It's like that time I murdered 4 people but when the arrested me they only charged me with 3 murders, it took ages to convince them about the 4th one. Mugs.

"Your honour, Northwind just came up with absurd an example of escalating his claim on the road at 0530hr. I am not sure why he is up so early but I think he is out to murder some drivers for driving on an empty road." 😆

Going on a policewoman's word is just not acceptable IMO

you seem particularly ticked off about being given a ticket by women. I'd probably drop that attitude if you go to court!

MTFU you were speeding. Take it and get on with life, next time consider not speeding.

The
speedo
clearly
indicated
less
than
35mph

But more than 30mph?

Unless you know for a fact that your speedo over reads then you were playing with fire if you knew that they were following you. Saying the cab pulls away quickly is not going to help you with this.
Suck it up and hope for a speed awareness course. Don't even think about airing your grievances during the course as you will be thrown out and then get the points, the fine, still pay for the course and lose a days work.
Yes it is harsh but you were exceeding the limit. My brother got 3 points for doing 34mph, down hill, whilst driving an empty double decker bus, early on a Sunday morning.

70mph motorway speed limits were introduced in 1965, I own a Morris Minor which was built in 1963.

So, if I drove my Morris Minor at 70mph (If it could get up to that speed!) I wonder how safe that would be compared to a modern car doing 90mph in the same situation?

Has car safety not improved over the years? So why have the speed limits not increased also?

Has car safety not improved over the years? So why have the speed limits not increased also?

Cab pulls away quickly?

Huh? My car has a special function whereby I can control the rate of acceleration with a floor pedal. It means I am in full control of my speed.

You should get one with that device. It's great...

The major contributing factor to accidents has not improved, it's located between the seat and the steering wheel.

You might spot a few differences though between your modern cars and old banger like mine, things like seat belts, working brakes, tires that handle, air bags, crumple zones, not to mention my steering wheels that is designed to decapitate you in an accident? 😉

Ski... Also something to do with accident survival rates. Pedestrians/cyclists run over above 30 are much more likely to die than if hit at lower speeds. There's a massive difference in survival rates between 25 and 35mph.

air bags, crumple zones, not to mention my steering wheels that is designed to decapitate you in an accident?

So, OP, how accurate is your speedo with new tyres and with worn tyres, as your rolling radius could be different by up to 6mm. And you are assuming that your speedo fits the +10% rule which is an allowable tolerance not a programmed in error.

Suck it up.

Has the OP clarified whether or not he can go on a driver awareness course? It'd mean he avoids the points and that seemed to be his main concern.

I am still wondering why you were going over the limit at all - it is a [b][i][u]LIMIT[/u][/i][/b] so going at 29 would have been safe, especially with the police around.

I get so hacked off with people complaining that they broke the law and got caught - "but I was only breaking the law a bit ...)

MTFU

Worrying that some people on here are defending speeding. Have a look around people, it's a cycle forum. Wesshould be driving slower and being more considerate. Oh and the 5:30 excuse is bollox. That's the time shift workers would be cycling to work. Paperboys on bmx with no lights are they fair game then?

I think if I was traffic police and following someone who drove at 33mph despite my presence I'd pull them for being so brazen, definitely suck it up, you were speeding (thinking you were safe because it was only a few mph is just stupid).

The road loddrik got nicked on is a hotspot for coppers as there is a copshop further up the road ,I think they were a bit harsh....

something fishy- just doesn't make sense. Why would they bother with a 35? Sure you didn't freak her and make her almost hit the kerb?

I was pulled for overtaking a Police car (holding me up). Err oops 🙂

He just said 'naughty, don't do it again'.

The OP can do a speed awareness course if he has a clean licence but it is a discretionary option not a right.
Most of us have been nicked for speeding. I recently got caught out by a short stretch of 40 mph limit on a a mainly 50mph road, it was very early on a Sunday morning but I was speeding. Did I moan about it? No, I took the points, paid the fine and tried to be more observant.
When I was young and stupid I got a 3 page summons as I had been "pursued" for 20 miles and pretty much doubled every speed limit. I had no idea that I was being pursued. Like I said, young, stupid and unbreakable. It went to court and I pleaded guilty. The Magistrate asked for an explanation and I replied "Youthful over exuberance, Sir"
All 3 Magistrates raised an eyebrow and gave me 3 points and £100 fine. I was incredibly lucky but I didn't try and fight the system because even if I hadn't doubled the limits, I knew I was speeding.

[i]Most of us have been nicked for speeding[/i]

I've been lucky for the 30 years I've had a driving licence and got away with a couple of talking too's.

I'm under no illusion it'll last for ever and I do my best to observe the speed limits in built up areas (although Brighton being largely 20mph now makes it more difficult, if I'm honest).

voodoo_chile - Member
The road loddrik got nicked on is a hotspot for coppers as there is a copshop further up the road ,I think they were a bit harsh....

70mph motorway speed limits were introduced in 1965, I own a Morris Minor which was built in 1963.

So, if I drove my Morris Minor at 70mph (If it could get up to that speed!) I wonder how safe that would be compared to a modern car doing 90mph in the same situation?

Has car safety not improved over the years? So why have the speed limits not increased also?

Good bit of film on my speed awareness course

They got a modern car to brake from 70mph when it crossed a line and then put a cone in the road where it stopped

They then got the same car to brake from the same line at 100mph. It then hit the cone still going at over 70mph

Secondly here is busy 1960s Motorway

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why have we not decreased the speed limits to allow for busier roads?

Thirdly I would rather the increase in car safety meant roads were safer not faster.

I also choose not to squander the increase in car efficiency on greater speed rather than lower per mile consumption

Damn I'm ranting