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Americas Cup Match (oldest trophy in international sports) started on Saturday in San Francisco and it's been very cool racing in giant foiling catermerans with solid wingsails. Excellent coverage online, bbc2 has highlights but online coverage is excellent. Live, full replay or highlights
Backstory includes sad loss of a British Olympic sailor who died in the elimination round before the final when the boat disintegrated and the US team having been caught cheating.
Races 1 and 4 especially good
Official website [url= http://www.americascup.com/en/ ]here[/url]
YouTube channel and excellent phone ad tablet aps which include live and replay coverage
Totally bonkers live feed:
That's ace!
That's even acer! (NZ nearly flipped it)
Amazing stuff. NZ almost flipped it just then.
Also on sky sports 3
Absolutely amazing technology in those boats, and amazing racing.
No idea how NZ kept their boat right side up.
Scenery is pretty impressive too. The highlights from Friday showed some of the gym work they did, get heart rate up to max then solve a puzzle.
Been watching on Sky HD for a week.. Über Cool stuff.
Those boats travel at up to 3 times the speed of the wind....amazing!
I was in San Francisco last month for business. Having forgotten that the Americas cup was on I was delighted to head down to the bay and spend the afternoon watching them going through trials. Damn they do shift.
I went down to watch them when they raced in Plymouth a while back, amazing acceleration.
Dibbs they were the smaller ac45's rather than these. They are 45 odd foot wide. I would hate to be on the up side when they almost went over. I sail a cat and know how far they can go before they do go over and watched that with my breath held thinking that's it for them.
Bump for tonight's racing
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thanks for the psa - astounding live tv!
Nice comeback for TNZ last night - I was very worried that Oracle had got on a roll with two consecutive wins. The spetics have certainly upped their game since inthe last week, but they do just seem to be copying TNZ techniques.
Hopefully it will all be finished off tomorrow night 🙂
If you download the App you can replay all the races in the series. It might be a little boring watching TNZ streak ahead in every race bar the last, but hey 😆
BB go wash your mouth out - how can TNZ kicking the septics ever be boring?
Well at least by kicking John Kostecki off as tactician meant a place for Ben, which as it turned out proved a shotminnthe arm for USA, going the right way helps.. 😆
Ah, but Sir Ben is on team Oracle (and on the boat for a couple of races - not sure if he still is), so that's my loyalties divided.
+1 sharkbait - good comeback 🙂
I wonder how Kostecki is feeling right now having been replaced and the boat doing better (even though that is now completely down to BB)?
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I have raced against John Kostecki in J24's a very long time ago in the US and am pleased to say we gave him a good beating - but I was crewing for Ken Read!! (who is doing a great commentating job in my view) 🙂
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Nice to see this thread back and some fellow sailors on STW - I thought no one cared ! This is really stunning sailing which even non-sailors can appreciate. Had NZ flipped that would have been a $100m campaign out of the window.
Sir Ben has made a difference, Kosotecki made a very poor decision and took a big risk in one race which saw Oracle give up a lead, but to be fair Ben is playing it relatively safe and the Ofacle team have tweaked the boat to make it more competitive. The problem is that at this level you don't get a second chance, there is a very long list of good sailors waiting for "their chance"
This is true all or nothing racing - TNZ have made it clear if they win that the competition will be made "national teams", this is good for the UK (if we can raise the money) and bad for Oracle as their best team members are Aussies and New Zealanders. The NZ members at Oracle are regarded as traitors !
Go TNZ !
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I raced the 2007 Melges 24 Worlds which Spithill won, I was blown away by his maturity and carisma when he spoke at the awards dinner, I think he was mid/late 20's at the time. We even rounded the last leeward mark in one race ahead of Russell Coutts as he'd had a total shocker in that race. By the way in sailing in some classes you don't have to qualify for the worlds you just enter (ie I am not that good a sailor). Have raced against Sir Ben too in Dartmouth, he was doing sponsor work for JPM, he was super relaxed as you imagine racing against us muppets and we all had a good laugh on and off the water.
@sharkbait - crewing for Ken Read must have been very cool.
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Ha!! Excellent, I too used to race Melges24's back in the day, when they first came to the Solent along with Mumm30's.. Sailed Mad Cow Hyde et all.. Ahhh those were the days.. Won the French Nats too one year.. Never sailed against the top tier skippers though, once did Maxi Worlds in Porto Cervo when Russell was on some Schmancy Italian thingy, but never got the chance to be on the same course.
I think the USA lost this purely down to tactics and lack of practice, you would have thought they'd have sorted that before going out to play, hey ho.
It has been a good series in spectator'isms, MrsBouy has even taken an interest.. 😯
Sir Ben has made a difference
He's certainly not doing his reputation and future career any harm here - he won't be lacking in offers to race big boats in future (if he ever was). Not sure how keen he's likely to be on the national teams thing - all good if the UK raise the dosh, but if not it limits his opportunities. It is a bit daft when Oracle only has one US sailor on the boat though.
Not sure if I agree with bikebouy though - it appears that Oracle didn't have the boat speed, rather than getting things that wrong.
I can't drop any names in this context - have only ever raced dinghys (at a very low level).
Aracer Oracle ave half a US sailor on board as its only his mum who is amarican as his dad is an Aussie a d he was brought up there.
What ever changes they did in Friday have really speed there boat up. I think they spent most I their development time on the foiling side of things and not the up wind. It would be interesting to see another lighter wind race to see if they are still competitive up wind as it was in the lighter winds they weren't going as well.
I to cant ne drop as I don't race just sail for fun though I did see sir Ben on this years round the island race.
sharkbait - crewing for Ken Read must have been very cool.
A brilliant period in my life.
It started when was racing a J24 with Laurie Smith on the stick in the '84 worlds in Poole. I'd got quite buddy with Ken earlier in the week as I'd helping him sort something out when they first arrived and at the end of the week (he won we came 5th) he asked if I'd like to go and stay with him in Newport RI the following year - I'd do a bit of work in the sail loft he was at and we'd sail all sorts of stuff.
It was pretty epic really. We sailed pretty much every day and raced mainly J's but also Snipes, Lightenings and stuff up to about 44'.
Top event was winning the J24 North Americans which had pretty much all the the top US sailing guys involved (such as JK) and was generally regarded as more inportant than the worlds at the time.
When I came back in the September I went straight into the j Europeans with Laurie Smith and we won that too ...... happy days!
Another shameless bump - yesterday was a rest day but the chaos continues at 2115 on youtube
6 minutes to go!
As for namedropping, growing up in NZ we lived next door to Peter Blake!
Thinking of that makes me happy and sad - what a tragic end 🙁
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Edit: And we're go on Red Bull TV!
Live coverage on Sky Sport 4 starts at 10pm. I have beer in hand. NZ to take it tonight 😆
Well, that's that - no racing today 🙁
booo hissssss
20.1knots, pansies :-p
Sharkbait and bikebouy the login names make sense now, quite some memories and programmes there.
For everyone's amusement prior to tonight's racing
And we're go, perhaps...
Boom ! 1 to go to win the cup. Good racing though. Productivity is about zero in the office when the races start.
Match point ...
Wow! I was feeling a little disappointed a few days ago that the competition would be over all too quickly!
The TV coverage has been superb, both on the [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03b468z ]Beeb[/url] and the [url= http://www.youtube.com/user/AmericasCup ]youtube[/url] channel.
Excellent racing with state of the art, bleeding edge catamarans that are ridiculously quick! 38+knots with an actual wind speed of 14knots!! How they generate so much lift and forward velocity with the apparent air is amazing me!
I do now find myself kinda backing Team Oracle, never did like the US much since the disappointment of Lionheart all those years ago, but seems we've got national interest onboard and a load of Antipodean's, who quite frankly are worth every penny they are getting paid by Mr Ellison... Fantastic comeback, it's effectively 8-8, although 6-8 in reality. More please!
The counter is that I understand if the Kiwi's win, they are seeking to make the next regatta be competed by nations rather than corporates. I like that one! I hope we can secure the appropriate funding to enter a GB designed, built and crewed yacht, of whatever regulations they next come up with.
Yep, even though I don't like US dominance of anything I am impressed how they've turned the boat into something of a rocket ship while TNZ seem to have stood still and maybe they should keep the cup? (at least hopefully have more of the same on TV!)
Nah, come on TNZ.
It's all in the Ben..
So why do the grinders use their arms. Wouldn't it be better to pedal?
If NZ win and host the next event the time difference will make live viewing difficult, so I'm hoping Oracle pull it off.
i Had the chance to Go to NZ designing these things ....have to admit though the kiwis make good boats
Blimey this is good stuff!
Looks like the next race will be the decider.
Can't decide if this is shaping up to be one of sports greatest comebacks or biggest chokes. Maybe both!
So why do the grinders use their arms. Wouldn't it be better to pedal?
Franc Cammas used a bike / pedal fri der on his big tri when he raced it single handedly a few years ago. He also won the Etape du Tour btw. I think the logic is that hand grinders take up less room and are easy to get going rather than jumping on a "bike"
Gutted for NZ, barring a miracle they are going to loose this. As above Oracle have made the changes to their boat and they are now materially quicker. NZ have the advantage of the draw at start for the next race but somehow I feel it's just not going to be.
And geared so low your legs couldn't go fast enough. Direction changes as well.
Thanks for the answers re grinding.
So to work with the legs, it would need to be a fixie (to go both directions),what gear ratio for an AC72?
I love the bit after the finish when they sweep fast past the crowd, with one hull in the air. Total bonkers, but will miss it.
Come on Kiwis, an old diving buddy of mine helps make the boats, he is one on NZ's best carbon fibre people.
Wow that was some racing in that last leg.
Fantastic viewing on YouTube.
Massive fan of Ben but wanted NZ to win from the start, now conflicted.
I've never liked Larry Ellison or Oracle, but man I am impressed with the way Team USA has turned this around.
I don't really have a preference, but now would like USA to win after their comeback.
My sister is in NZ, so there is some banter flying around.
So what time do I have to tune in to watch this live?
It will be a national tragedy if NZ lose this. Oracle have stages an incredible comeback, maybe they are cheating again ?
So what time do I have to tune in to watch this live?
YouTube about 9pm, but very much depends on the wind.
richmars - MemberSo what time do I have to tune in to watch this live?
YouTube about 9pm, but very much depends on the wind.
Thanks!
Get the Americas Cup App, t'is all on there..
Remarkable racing, never in my years sailing have I seen a turnaround quite like it.
Does make you wonder what kind of race it would have been fromthe outset if Ben was on USA all along eh?
I'm not a huge fan of Larry either, sense a bullyness about him, driven to win no doubt and with that comes power and he certainly has enough of it.. Glad he's not on the boat this time as in previous incarnations of the AC.
Rock on, all to play for 😀
Ben for the Win 😉
Both boats are NZ boats!!
Ben's helped with tactics for sure, but changes on Oracle by design/build team every day (NZers) is what has caused the noticable increase in boat speed and performance.
Edge of the seat stuff tho....
How unpatriotic of them Pukeko!
NZ bouys have always been good a chucking carbon together, were these built at Cooksons?? I'd be very suprised if not.
But in all the trials USA have had you'd have thought they could put together a few tacks and gybes on the foils, oh they could just slowly, then Larry got trashed and guess what, bought Ben in and look what happened.. Management from the aftguard and all's well.
Dean Barker must be well cheesed off and Grant Dalton too... Are tehy wearing Red Socks this year??
Will be crushing for NZ if they lose this. Be good to see Ben and Oracle do it though. After what happened in the second race last night I really can't see Oracle not winning it.
Wondering if this will end up in another court battle if we win the next race, in an attempt to over turn the penalty, with Oracle having the race wins under their belt. Americas cup is never complete without the eternal legal battles.
Shame this couldn't have been wrapped up sooner, those two abandoned races are now looking reall significant.
It's game over.
I've been a big supporter of New Zealand in the AC and it's been amazing watching the second week of racing - but I've got to say that, in my eyes, they do not deserve to win.
In the first week they had fantastic teamwork and upwind speed that was guaranteed to get them to the front before the final downwind leg. All was good and they were relaxed, staying ashore when Oracle were out on the water during the no-racing days.
But then Oracle turn up on the Saturday with a new upwind speed that put the frighteners on TNZ and the whole game changed.
OK, so maybe Oracle did copy some of the TNZ techniques, but they went much further and got to the point where they can fully foil upwind at 30 knots while TNZ are still doing the 26-27 knots that they started the AC with.
This is where TNZ fell down. They believed, along with 99% of the sailing world, that it was game over so they sat back while the Oracle team plugged away at getting better and faster. For whatever reason, be it lack of funds or over confidence, TNZ failed to progress while Oracle watched, evaluated and adapted.
There was a lot of finger pointing going on in the first week when Oracle were making 'lots of mistakes', but now it's TNZ who are struggling to win a start and are making the tactical errors.
Although I'd not be disappointed if TNZ managed to scrape through in the final race, I really do think that it's Oracle who have made the most progress and probably should be retaining the Cup.
I do wonder what this will mean for the next AC. I suspect that it may well be staying in multihulls but maybe cheaper to encourage more entries - just as long as the TV coverage remains the same as I see this as being the big winner from this AC.
just as long as the TV coverage remains the same as I see this as being the big winner from this AC.
Totally agree with this, as a keen fan, but with no sailing experience. I remember back in the Dennis Conner era watching it on TV and not having a clue what was going on.
Now with all the virtual stuff (plus more exciting boats) it's understandable and great TV.
Ain't technology great! Put a GPS on each boat and, if you know the position of the marks, loads of info is available.
Sharky, good summary and I agree with you that Oracle are the more deserving of a win looking at the whole series.
NZ press and public are hacking TNZ down. Flashbacks of NZ choking like in previous Rugby World Cups is making everyones stomachs churn...
As I said previously, it makes for some damn excity telly tho 😀
The Kiwi's seemed to throw away a good advantage in the last race; port entry into the start box, leeward boat and first to the first mark. Their decision to tack on the upwind leg, when they were on starboard still puzzles me, but I'm kinda glad I'm not the one having to make those calls!
The way Team Oracle have worked their way back to level score is awe inspiring and for that reason alone, I'm wanting them to pull it off.
Looking ahead, is there any possibility of a British funded challenge for the next one? After all, it is our cup! 😉
Eye, Bens got plans for a boat, he's already been involved in the AC45's..
Ben for the Win.. 😉
Might be a bit windy:
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Just watched yesterday's reruns, epic.
Eagerly waiting for the live feed to start... MrsBouy and I have a bottle of wine and nibbles all ready to go!!!!!!
Live coverage in 2 minutes!
Come on Oracle Team Ainslie!
woooo!
Is there a book running? 😉
Here we go!!
OK so what's the difference between a tactician and a strategist?
I'm feeling the tension here for sure!
The creaking carbon fibre just adds to the tension!
USA to win I reckon.
Yup
Yep - but after seeing that dig in at the start, still darn tense!
NZ for the win!
I hope so anyway as one of our friends is on team NZ :/
OK so what's the difference between a tactician and a strategist?
A strategist develops strategies with the objective of outmaneuvering their opponent whereas a tactician provides the team with little mints.