[Closed] Problems that the Japan earthquake will cause us all

There's the small problem of being dead or injured.

stand by for the uk farmers to suddenly decide their sheep are radioactive and they need compensation

and the pollution from the atomic power stations,

I wouldn't worry about that too much, The reactors shut down as part of the standard safety protocol and to be honest will be likely to be significantly less than british nuclear plants let out now and then through poor maintenance

stand by for the uk farmers to suddenly decide their sheep are radioactive and they need compensation.

Then all the uk companies will use the shortage of parts and stock to increase prices quite dramaticaly, probably on bike gear.

You need to stop this obsession that everyone is up to no good project, it must leave you feeling very miserable.

Jeeezuz! I thought fannylion started a self-focused thread!

Any reason for a dig at the UK's farmers?

Probably because he can't find a way of blaming the public sector.

thanks for that insightful analysis, project

No mention of a sushi shortage or a whale boom.

any more stereotyping you can think of?

Kimono prices up?

My first thought in all this was how will it affect my supply of new xtr. 🙄

Apparently, the price of oil is going to fall because the Japanese can't refine as much of the stuff.

....a whale boom.

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Is project a journalist for the Daily Mail?

When they had the one in Kobe a few years back it caused a supply problem with motorbike tyres.

I'd be more concerned with the many thousands who have lost their lives than any potential problems with sourcing shiny new XTR.

Just in case anyone on here really is that much of a *, don't worry, Shimano's main factories in Japan are in Osaka prefecture so not likely to be severely effected. On the downside though, you will probably always be a *.

Northwind put it far better than I.

There will be a lot of companies having the same thoughts, as above, it is a terribly horrendous disasaster the Japanese have just had, I am truely upset at the loss of life, and homes and dont really feel the need to post that at every chance, i was though trying to make the point that prices of exported/imported goods into the UK may well go up, so buy your stuff now.

Sadly i dont read the Daily mail, and am getting a bit fed up with the uk media saying as far as they know no british citizens have been killed so far, with very little coverage given to the poor japanese that have have suffered such tragic loss.

Actually the huge investment needed to rebuild Japan's infrastructure could be good for some firms. In the short term the potential impact on our economy is all irrelevant, as the cost to human lives in the affected areas is immeasurable.

TLTL project

Just in case anyone on here really is that much of a *, don't worry, Shimano's main factories in Japan are in Osaka prefecture so not likely to be severely effected. On the downside though, you will probably always be a *.

++++1.

well you united the left and right wing of STW with that Chapeau and **** +1 and TLTL + 1

There was me reading the CRC credit card thread and someones comment 'why hasn't this made the news there must be hundreds affected' and thinking how can someone be so small minded with everything else going on. Then I read this and all it's done is confirm my earlier thoughts that some people really do need to wake up and see the bigger picture. Events in japan are tragic on a scale you can't fathom living on an island that is unlikely to ever know such natural tragedy. Yes it will affect the entire world in many ways and there will sadly be alot of 'cashing in' but let's remember the 10's if not 100's of thousand people killed, who have lost numerous loved ones or been left with nothing
The fact the I may have to pay a little more for some goods is kind of insignificant at the moment

Heard someone on the news describe how when mother nature kicks off like she just did in Japan humans are simple "Ants with cars". Hopefully we might resemble Ants in scale but not intellect.

There was me reading the CRC credit card thread and someones comment 'why hasn't this made the news there must be hundreds affected'

That was me who said that, and I stand by it. It is unfair to link the two things. My suggesting that CRC is a news worthy story does not, in any way, take away from the gravity of Japan or how I feel about it. I am not that 'small minded'.

Despite what has happened in Japan, local media still needs to report on other stories, CRC is, in my opinion, a relevent story.

Seems to me you are unfairly making a connection where there is none.

i'm not sure if any of the original post was meant in earnest, lets hope not!!!

The moon is nearer the earth than it has been for hundreds of years. Scientists predicted (guessed)that there could be devastating effects. There are also violent eruptions in Hawaiian volcanoes!!!

Luckily, we can still go about our usual business in the rain.

I'm not defending the OP... but in common with his (many) tirades about the state of the nation, he's using a sledgehammer to express his thoughts - when a light tap would suffice.

I'm sure he takes the immense human tragedy as a given.

Even the Dail Mail rejects your claim re the moon

However, scientists dismiss this as utter nonsense and that although it makes a good photo opportunity for astronomers it has no impact on Earth.
Dr David Harland, space historian and author, said: 'It's possible that the moon may be a kilometre or two closer to Earth than normal at a perigee, but it's an utterly insignificant event.'
Professor George Helffrich, a seismologist at the University of Bristol was equally dismissive.
'Complete nonsense. The moon has no significant effect on earthquake triggering.
'If the moon triggers "big" earthquakes, it would trigger the many of millions of times more "small" earthquakes that happen daily. There is no time dependence of those; hence no moon effect.'

Even the Dail Mail rejects your claim

Possibly the most devastating phrase in the English language. 😀

Oil has actually dropped due to a forecast of lower demand from Japan while they sort themselves out.

But if I'd been given the choice between one life over there and never being able to afford to drive again the choice would not exactly be hard!

Wished I could gone over to help after the 2004 Tsunami and I wish I could now.

noteeth - Member
I'm not defending the OP... but in common with his (many) tirades about the state of the nation, he's using a sledgehammer to express his thoughts - when a light tap would suffice.

I'm sure he takes the immense human tragedy as a given.

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I do take every single death as a very sad thing, ive had enough tragedies in my life in the last few years, and cant even imagine what it would be like to loose your whole family and relatives and freinds along with many you dont know.

Anyone who posts about a relative or freinds death on here im always there to offer condolances and empathy.

My original post was to pre empt what the media will be reporting next week, and possibly for weeks after, and scaring the pants off the general public who want be able to get the latest electronic gizmo, most of which i have no intention of owning.

Also when the media frenzy starts, perhaps just think is your need for a new HD tv equal to the suffering those poor people have sufered in a few hours, esppecially if the prices go up, or their is limited stock available.

Sadly we live in a capitalist world, where credit card fraud is seen as more important than thousands being kiled, where the need for a new tv is seen as a status symbol, again sadly those people who lost their lives will be forgotten,by most just like those that where kiled by nuclear bombs, in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Finaly i am for open debate but find the name calling worthy of the school playgroud.

its not, big, clever or even slightly funny.

That would all be plausible if you hadn't specifically mentioned bike parts.

Problems that the Japan earthquake will cause us all

Damn right! Prices of soiled schoolgirl knickers are set to go through the roof. I'm devastated 🙁

Also when the media frenzy starts

Also when the media frenzy starts, perhaps just think is your need for a new HD tv equal to the suffering those poor people have sufered in a few hours, esppecially if the prices go up, or their is limited stock available

Ah, the STW self righteous bullies out in force again for some misguided wording.

FFS, I'm sure everyone is well aware there has been massive loss of life and likewise feel for everyone affected in Japan.

The OP asked a question, can't someone just give a civil answer on here for once? Maybe it wasn't the most tactful post ever typed on STW, but I seriously wonder how some of you actually get through life with such fragile sensitivities.

*puts hand up at the back of class "please sir, I answered sensibly" *

(for once)

The moon is nearer the earth than it has been for hundreds of years. Scientists predicted (guessed)that there could be devastating effects.

no they did not.

but I seriously wonder how some of you actually get through life with such fragile sensitivities.

Oh, does it upset you?

Bluefin tuna are gonna sleep a little easier tonight...

only problem it has caused me so far is having to see your mindless drivel posted on here.
honestly dont see how anyone can moan about anything small within days of something like this.

Rising suns, down.

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the dolphins may get a year off from the annual slaughter 😐

Also when the media frenzy starts

It's already started.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20110313/tpl-uk-air-worldwide-japan-41a8b2f.html

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20110313/twl-global-economic-fears-over-japan-s-d-3fd0ae9.html

[url= http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/ ]a voice of sense[/url]

dolphins may get a year off from the annual slaughter

....a whale boom.
Relevant.

(sorry for any apparent insensitivity 😐 )

TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR - Member

Ah, the STW self righteous bullies out in force again for some misguided wording.

Yup.

I'm often the first to have a pop at project but on this occasion, I feel the level of criticism he has received is somewhat unwarranted. Yes, maybe he could have worded his OP differently, but it doesn't mean that he has a callous disregard for the plight of the Japanese people. And he has had at the least the guts to respond to his critics with a lengthy explanation clarifying his views on the subject.......[i]not[/i] too little too late imo.

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Incredible. 😯

holy ****ing cow noteeth! Christ!!

best mate lives in Tokyo, said the after shocks are shitting people and they're expecting a big one. he has a bag packed by the front door and might head for hong kong for a few weeks.

I'm often the first to have a pop at project but on this occasion, I feel the level of criticism he has received is somewhat unwarranted.

I disagree, OP was clear in his first post and the thread title.

He suggests that the disaster in Japan will create problems for us all, then lists them

1)Well to start a lot of factory production has been lost, due to factories being destroyed, power loss on a major scale, and also loss of a lot of port facilites along with roads and railways.

2) Then we have the pollution from the burning refineries, and the pollution from the atomic power stations,[b] stand by for the uk farmers to suddenly decide their sheep are radioactive and they need compensation.[/b]

3) [b]Then all the uk companies will use the shortage of parts and stock to increase prices quite dramaticaly, probably on bike gear.[/b]

He suggests that the disaster in Japan will create problems for us all

Well that's because it will (although probably not in the way he suggests) and what's wrong with pointing that out ?

It doesn't automatically follow that he is therefore indifferent to the plight of the Japanese.

Yeah sure, he [i]could[/i] have given a big long preamble about how the tragedy, and the human cost incurred, had touched his heart - but he didn't.

Doesn't everyone occasionally think that they could perhaps have worded things differently ?

He's come back to clarify his position - that should be enough.

He's come back to clarify his position - that should be enough.

there was no need. It was clear from the first post.

Nothing wrong with pointing out there will be problems for us all. However, some of the things he points out aren't really problems, you know, in the wider context. And to identify them as a problem which affects us, is to focus on the trivial.

The moon is nearer the earth than it has been for hundreds of years. Scientists predicted (guessed)that there could be devastating effects. There are also violent eruptions in Hawaiian volcanoes!!

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The moon won't come as close as it did in January 1992. You remember, don't you? Yes, [i]that[/i] January 1992. The month that was so rife with natural disasters that it's a topic that dominates many conversations even today.

To be fair to the OP, it is partially a matter of timing that make his thread appear calious. It is just thou, asking the question, how will this effect us. If our reply is: this has caused me untold emotional upset and I weep for the loss of life etc etc, I must sell my belongings and fly off to Japan to help with the relief effort, then fair enough.

I feel for the people of Japan, it's tough. I live in NZ and know many people that have family and friends that have been lost in the last couple of weeks. We do what we can with fundrasing etc, but we are pretty detached from the actual devistation. I here talk of 'rents increasing', 'taxes increasing to pay for Christchurh'. etc.

If you are not in the epicentre of the disaster you will obviously look at how it 'may' effect you. As anything else will probably be an empty jesture.

Yes, these things effect everyone, but in different ways. Sure the OP may look calious. But as with comedy timing is...........................................................................................................................................................................everything.

I would have much preferred it if the OP had posted a long sanctimonious thread about how his heart bleeds for the Japanese and his thoughts and prayers are with the victims' families and how this isn't the time for politics and the scale of the tragedy is incomprehensible and blah blah blah...

My head office and main factorys are in iwaki city, which was hit hard by the quake and the tsunami. It was mid afternoon when it hit, and our sites are up in the hills away from city so did not get any tsunami damage. The people i really fear for are my colleagues families - most of the housing and schools is only a coupke of metres above sea level on the narrow coastal plain.
So far i've managed to get hold of 1 guy on the phone, and two guys through facebook (mobile data seems to have been restored quite quickly there.)
Just to make things even worse the Fukushima reactors are less than 50 miles away up the coast....

I'm only surprised that there's been no mention of Godzilla yet.

TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR - Member
Ah, the STW self righteous bullies out in force again for some misguided wording.

FFS, I'm sure everyone is well aware there has been massive loss of life and likewise feel for everyone affected in Japan.

The OP asked a question, can't someone just give a civil answer on here for once? Maybe it wasn't the most tactful post ever typed on STW, but I seriously wonder how some of you actually get through life with such fragile sensitivities.

Just turn on CNBC, N-TV or the like. The answer in my case is a couple of grand since the quake. Not that I'm feeling even a little sorry for myself.

Geology is one of those sciences where correlation coefficients are best treated with caution. Observation and thinking things through usually serve you better. On that basis the jury is still out on whether increased tidal forces serve as earthquake triggers. All that anyone who gives a 100% certain yes or no answer is proving is that he/she is a lousy geologist.

I thought I'd have a look at 92 and found that the biggest quake of 91, a 7.6 magnitude quake in the Kuril Islands, occured on the perigee of 22/12/91, the orbit before the 19/1/92 perigee the flying Ox refers to. If you think it through, if quakes can be triggerred by tidal forces then you need to look at periods in which the forces are increasing with each successive orbit rather than decreasing. A blanket application of statisitics will show nothing but intelligent viewing of the data might. I have some DIY to do but anyone wants to play:

[url= http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqarchives/year/byyear.php ]Earthquake data[/url]

[url= http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/pacalc.html ]Perigee data[/url]

It doesn't automatically follow that he is therefore indifferent to the plight of the Japanese.

the STW self righteous bullies out in force again for some misguided wording

The OP asked a question

I seriously wonder how some of you actually get through life with such fragile sensitivities.

I love monday mornings and the frothing at the mouth that they cause..

Incredible footage that. Truly horrific but at the same time awesome. The final loss of life is going to be very large. I'm very thankful that our local geology seems much more stable.

Also, who noticed the Shimano sign near the beginning?

Problems that the Japan earthquake will cause us all

How many sites of historic interest have been damaged or destroyed?

On a personal level I still can't take it in. It is awful. Too awful to comprehend. I still remember the news and what happened around the Kyoto earthquake. The final death toll for the 2011 is going to be in the tens of thousands 🙁

A blanket application of statisitics will show nothing but intelligent viewing of the data might.

Or you could listen to people who spend their whole careers studying this, not just googling for a few mins.

So what do people who spend their whole careers studying this [i]know[/i] that I don't? If they've spent their whole careers studying it they'll understand the philosophy of doubt and say something to the effect of they can't prove a link and they don't believe there is one. They won't say there isn't one. If they, like I, think that there could be a link they'll say soemthing to the effect offf there could be a link but they can't prove it.

Also, who noticed the Shimano sign near the beginning?

OP probably did

TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR - Member
Ah, the STW self righteous bullies out in force again for some misguided wording.

FFS, I'm sure everyone is well aware there has been massive loss of life and likewise feel for everyone affected in Japan.

The OP asked a question, can't someone just give a civil answer on here for once? Maybe it wasn't the most tactful post ever typed on STW, but I seriously wonder how some of you actually get through life with such fragile sensitivities.

This is what happens when you become too immersed in capitalism, you can only think of all that production being lost, how it affects the economy and [u]yourselves[/u] because an important "resource" who we shall call Humans are having some local difficulty.

I'd say shame on you, but you probably don't have that particular skill set.

Edukator: A quick quarter of an hour on Excel and the USGS site shows that there are earthquakes happen right at the moon's perigee and apogee, and earthquakes that happen spread throughout. Here's a quick screencap for 1991:
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Solid line is distance of Moon from Earth, dots are earthquakes.

EDIT: Yes I'm bored. Why do you ask? 😆

Very pretty! Can you make the size of the red dots correspond to the magnitude of the earthquake please. 😉

You're bored and inquisitive, that's how good science gets done. Bad science gets done when scientists' paymasters have an agenda.

i can't to decide whether to shake my head at you or applaud
Colour code them for magnitude will be easier IMHO

The OP hasn't got a look-in compared to the insensitivity of these bastards:

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12729443 ]NZ quake: China wants higher payments as Inquiry opens[/url]

using the term [i]problem[/i] is a bit naive. some aspects of life will be different but does that equal a problem? IMO the OP makes a rather simplistic assertion that the ease with which we find life is related to big events far away. surely life is an ongoing conglomeration of large and small events which we have to deal with and the smaller ones closer to home are more likely to have a greater impact on our daily experiences? If oil or XTR prices double, it is what it is and that reality will be absorbed into life like any other.

ernie_lynch - Member

TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR - Member

Ah, the STW self righteous bullies out in force again for some misguided wording.

Yup.

I'm often the first to have a pop at project but on this occasion, I feel the level of criticism he has received is somewhat unwarranted. Yes, maybe he could have worded his OP differently, but it doesn't mean that he has a callous disregard for the plight of the Japanese people. And he has had at the least the guts to respond to his critics with a lengthy explanation clarifying his views on the subject.......not too little too late imo.

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Thank you Ernie and the others, who offered suport.

Oh and it want be the japanese that are putting the prices up, due to the terrible things that are happening but the huige globakl comapnies and the wholesalers in the uk , who need to keep their profits up.

the Japanese will probably have to put their prices up as the cost of production is likely to be higher

Can you make the size of the red dots correspond to the magnitude of the earthquake please.

Colour code them for magnitude will be easier IMHO

Some people are never happy, eh? 🙄

I might have a pop at it when I can't sleep tonight. My curiosity has been piqued.

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pictures like this sum it up for me, not spurious chatter about what it's likely to mean to [i]us[/i].