[Closed] Privatising the Forestry Commission

In two years time it's going to be interesting to look back and see if TJ (et al) is just a wailing lefty and little really changes or if he's really right and we really see massive changes. I suspect that he'll be partly right but a lot of the cressers doom stuff will be wrong - eg a comfortable middle ground.

+1 for TJ
early night for backhander 😉

face it the torries will be jizzing themselves at the chance of selling off something as non-essential as the FC
i wonder what affect it would have on trail centres and insurance in particular.

what insurance?

over the whole forest estate, i'd imagine risk from built trails is swamped by other stuff.

[i]i wonder what affect it would have on trail centres and insurance in particular.[/i]

Should be fine, the new £10 a ride fee will have it factored in.

trail centres and insurance in particular.

ask the Llandegla crew, site owned and operated by Till Hill and trail expansion?

ask Drumlanrig, etc etc

Modern history has shown us that right-field, neo-con, pro-big business, anti-state, pro-cuts governments allways produce more mess for the most people. The most relatively succesful societies(i.e. where people are happier, healthier and wealthier) are those with liberal, left-field, pro-tax, pro welfare consensus governments. I am old enough and have lived in enough countries to have seen the differences 🙂

And you're coming out with straw man arguments all over the shop

bravohotel9er

Its you that doesn't "get it"

We have a leaner public sector than competitor nations such as Germany, Holland Italy etc, we spend less on public services, we have a lower tax take. If these countrioe who tax an dspend more than us are not prposing massive cuts then why do we have to

cuts [u][b]on the scale proposed[/b] [/u]and intended are simply not needed A sensible efficiency drive together with a rise in income tax and cancellation of vanity projects such as Trident will suffice.

You have bought into a neocon moral panic and have been conned.

I am old enough and have lived in enough countries to have seen the differences

Yes, i'd agree, but unfortunately the quarter wits here would rather pocket the money and stuff the rest.

Modern history has shown us that right-field, neo-con, pro-big business, anti-state, pro-cuts governments allways produce more mess for the most people. The most relatively succesful societies(i.e. where people are happier, healthier and wealthier) are those with liberal, left-field, pro-tax, pro welfare consensus governments. I am old enough and have lived in enough countries to have seen the differences

I take it you didn't live in the USSR? Cuba? North Korea?

I suspect its more countries like Norway, Germany and Holland that are referred to. You know countries with a higher standard of living than ours and more happy people despite or because of the higher taxes and public spending.

I take it you didn't live in the USSR? Cuba? North Korea?

i havent, but i did go to sweden recently, it was very nice indeed.

Funny, I thought that germany were capitalists

Backhander - can you read?

BluePalomino

...those with liberal, left-field, pro-tax, pro welfare consensus governments

About as good a description of post war Germany as possible.

TandemJeremy - Member
I suspect its more countries like Norway, Germany and Holland that are referred to. You know countries with a higher standard of living than ours and [b]more happy people[/b] despite or because of the higher taxes and public spending.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Norway: 39th
Germany: 50th
Netherlands: 54th
UK: 66th

Very good Druidh!

I take it you didn't live in the USSR? Cuba? North Korea?