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I reckon we are gonna struggle to finish 6th and the same two teams to be fighting it out for the league again. Chelsea will be strong initially but will fall away badly in the final third.

Rodgers to be under pressure by Christmas (though I really hope I'm wrong)


 
Posted : 08/08/2012 10:35 pm
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I think you are spot on there


 
Posted : 08/08/2012 10:37 pm
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1/2 Man City or Man Utd
3 Chelsea
4 Arsenal
5 Spurs
6 Liverpool / Everton / Newcastle / Dark Horse

Heard some nonsense from Everton fans already, Everton will finish above Spurs & Liverpool & Man Utd 4th from one... dear me


 
Posted : 08/08/2012 10:49 pm
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LFC Start to the season is tough, could be under pressure before Christmas, hope not!

first 3 home games Man City, Arsenal, Man Utd


 
Posted : 08/08/2012 10:51 pm
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Lots of people getting all worked up about sport rather than just enjoying it.


 
Posted : 08/08/2012 11:02 pm
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After watching the Olympics, doubt I'll watch football again.


 
Posted : 08/08/2012 11:03 pm
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I predict yobs, diving cheats and overpaid cry-babies.


 
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I predict yobs, diving cheats and overpaid cry-babies.

I was trying to be polite, but that too.


 
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I predict yobs,

Thats me

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diving cheats

been a few of them in olympic history

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overpaid cry-babies.

average stw'er

bore off ya wool


 
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there'll surely be racism, sexism and homophobia too.

Is it just me, or when compared to the standard of other sports, is top level football pretty average? I don't watch much, but when I do, I'm amazed at how inept at shooting most of the players are!


 
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I predict lots of footie threads where:

1. Let's start a football thread.
2. A bit of banter starts.
3. A football hater wades in and acts all superior and can't help but add his or her wise input.
4. The loverz can't help themselves and toys get thrown out of prams.
5. Scousers and Mancs then start in on one another.
6. Haterz act all haughty and superior.
7. Thread gets closed after a few pages.


 
Posted : 08/08/2012 11:30 pm
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Dear God, and I know I didn't have to click on the thread title, but PLEASE... We get what, 6 maybe 8 weeks of the year without domestic football covering the entire media 24/7, the Olympics are on and they're really quite enthralling, it's sunny outside, there are bikes to be ridden!

Can we just leave football alone for a little while longer. Part of the reason I like this forum is its pretty much a safe haven from the tedium that is 95% of the male population of this country and their obsession with the stupid pigskin and the 22 overpaid, under talented individuals kicking it about. Do you really spend the brief time off that we have wondering what will happen this upcoming season? 😕

Shoot me down in flames, you no doubt will, but if mountain biking was rammed down my throat 24/7 for more than 10 months a year, I'd get bored of it too!

EDIT: FWIW watched quite a bit of the women's football in the Olympics. Shining example of one sport that is MUCH better a spectator sport when it's the girls playing. Maybe it's cos they're amateurs on the whole, but there's no diving to speak of, and the games are much more flowing and open. It's much more exciting to watch.


 
Posted : 08/08/2012 11:31 pm
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Predictable.


 
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it's lost all it's charm since they removed the only interesting element..

which was the glorious hooliganism


 
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I was going to say ......

Don't know about the coming season, but shortly this thread will be full of people who clicked on it just to tell people they don't even know, how superior they are for not liking football.

Looks like I'm too late.

How predictable.

(at least nobody has used the side splitting terms "footballists" or "wendyball" yet though) 🙄


 
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at least nobody has used the side splitting terms "footballists" or "wendyball" yet though

they have now 😉
3. A football hater wades in and acts all superior and can't help but add his or her wise input.

good prediction 🙂 must have seen me coming 😉
I reckon we ...

Who is "we" ?


 
Posted : 09/08/2012 12:00 am
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Lots of people getting all worked up about sport rather than just enjoying it.

Seems we don't even have to wait for the football season.


 
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Seems we don't even have to wait for the football season.

Indeed, somebody was so worked up about how boring he found dressage, that he started a thread about it recently.


 
Posted : 09/08/2012 12:17 am
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'We' are Liverpool, wise up 😉

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overpaid, under talented

not really how it works though is it? don't hate the player & all that...

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EDIT: FWIW watched quite a bit of the women's football in the Olympics. Shining example of one sport that is MUCH better a spectator sport when it's the girls playing. Maybe it's cos they're amateurs on the whole, but there's no diving to speak of, and the games are much more flowing and open. It's much more exciting to watch.

I agree it entertaining but its more open for 2 major reasons, women simply aren't as athletic as the men & the standard isn't as high, lot more mistakes, space, time etc. but it is enjoyable.


 
Posted : 09/08/2012 12:23 am
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Man City fans acting all cocky whenever they win.


 
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Football at lower league level is far more honest and far more passionately supported. The premier league has poisoned the game at national level, perhaps permanently.


 
Posted : 09/08/2012 5:47 am
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After watching the Olympics, doubt I'll watch football again.

+1

been getting slowly more and more disillusioned with football over the last few years. usually its watching a spell of rugby that makes me think thats it, im watching this now, im sick of football. but i ususally end up drifting back into it after watching a few games, and getting caught up in the man city thing last year.

this time its the olympics. thought id hate it, but ive really got into it, and as others have said before, its refreshing to see good, honest dedication and joy at winning. so dare i say it again...... i shant bother with football any more 😀

certainly not a hater, just indifferent these days.


 
Posted : 09/08/2012 5:52 am
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Man U
City champs league winner
Arsenal
Chelsea
Spurs


 
Posted : 09/08/2012 6:02 am
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Man Whatever 1 & 2
Chelsea/Spurs/Arsenal/Newcastle 3-6
The Rest


 
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I predict The Rangers will still feature prominently in BBC Scotland news items (they showed Ally McCoist press conference yesterday!) despite BBC Scotland news never before showing much recognition of leagues below the SPL.


 
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Dear God, and I know I didn't have to click on the thread title, but PLEASE... We get what, 6 maybe 8 weeks of the year without domestic football covering the entire media 24/7, the Olympics are on and they're really quite enthralling, it's sunny outside, there are bikes to be ridden!

Can we just leave football alone for a little while longer. Part of the reason I like this forum is its pretty much a safe haven from the tedium that is 95% of the male population of this country and their obsession with the stupid pigskin and the 22 overpaid, under talented individuals kicking it about. Do you really spend the brief time off that we have wondering what will happen this upcoming season?

Shoot me down in flames, you no doubt will, but if mountain biking was rammed down my throat 24/7 for more than 10 months a year, I'd get bored of it too!

EDIT: FWIW watched quite a bit of the women's football in the Olympics. Shining example of one sport that is MUCH better a spectator sport when it's the girls playing. Maybe it's cos they're amateurs on the whole, but there's no diving to speak of, and the games are much more flowing and open. It's much more exciting to watch.

Well said!


 
Posted : 09/08/2012 7:06 am
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Why should we have to 'leave football alone'...? Some of us actually enjoy it.

I couldn't give a toss about the Olympics really, I get far more pleasure from seeing Liverpool win a game than watch a load of sports I have no interest in.

I don't click on any of the Olympics threads for the same reason let alone start bitching on them.

And contrary to what some may have you believe, it is actually possibly to enjoy riding a bike AND support a football team.


 
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What a strange choice of font.


 
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Football threads just aren't the same without the Rangers/Celtic bigotry

Alas, I think that IRA fella has either been banned or he's busy hating someone else


 
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After a glorious summer of sporting excellence I expect to see premiership players take that on board and adopt a suitable air of humility

This will last approximately 3 minutes and 22 seconds. Until the first blatant dive, and subsequent barracking of the ref!

The 2 Manc clubs will slug it out for the top spot. But realistically we can't compete. They'll have signed VP. We'll still have a 38 yer old, or 2, shoring up our midfield as the glazers have decided to take another few hundred million out of the club instead of buying any players. Hey ho!

The managerial merry-go-round will carry on at Chelsea, as the dressing room is still being run by a malivalant racist thug. But they'll compete with the arse for 3rd, well behind the top two

Newcastle as an outside bet to finish above them both. Spurs and Liverpool will be nowhere


 
Posted : 09/08/2012 7:50 am
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What a strange choice of font.

It's also not lined up properly with the border thingy. Disgraceful.

binners should be up in arms about it.


 
Posted : 09/08/2012 7:52 am
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Football threads just aren't the same without the Rangers/Celtic bigotry

Three years without regular old firm clashes. Three whole years! Bliss.

But mostly what mboy said.


 
Posted : 09/08/2012 7:55 am
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There will be some fantastic football played.


 
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Another one who has been watching football less and less over the last couple of seasons. After the Olympics it's going to be hard to take football players seriously.

I grew up supporting Liverpool but they are an empty shell of a club now, I just don't care.


 
Posted : 09/08/2012 7:58 am
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All that logo is lacking is comic Sans

And in case the Haterz forgot, last season was an absolute corker. The premiership was decided by virtually the last kick of the season!!!


 
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The 2 Manc clubs will slug it out for the top spot. But realistically we can't compete. They'll have signed VP

Eh? She's left track cycling to play [s]Wendyball[/s] Football?? 😳 😉


 
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Predictions for the coming football season..?

Is the title and the question therein shall be answered how it is meant to be . .

Chelsea
Man City
Manu
Arsenal
lIverpool

Villa Boys then . . . the rest 😀


 
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Predictions?

There'll be some of this:

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Some of this (followed by a Jesus like recovery when the offending party gets a yellow/red card):

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A lot of this:

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Some of this:

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And the Monday ritual of being told how "we" got on this weekend.

Come the end of the Olympics we'll be back to the monoculture of hatred, bigotry, cheating and racism that is the premiership, delivered to us 24/7 on paid for channels owned by one of the most despised and corrupt men in the world, and highlighted on the BBC to stirring and inspirational music.

Woop.


 
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I have no interest in football, so I predict a nauseatingly boring and predictable [s]response[/s] season. I try to avoid it and football threads at all costs, yet like a moth to a flame....


 
Posted : 09/08/2012 8:20 am
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I couldn't give a toss about the Olympics really, I get far more pleasure from seeing Liverpool win a game than watch a load of sports I have no interest in.

REALLY 😕

You are aware that so far GB have won 8 Gold medals, a couple of silvers and a couple of bronzes too in CYCLING right? (This is a cycling forum too just in case you were confused)

I find it very odd that you don't associate well with a load of amateurs from your own nation, working their hearts out at their respective sports, often struggling to get the funding they need to compete at the level they want to, but you associate well with a bunch of foreigners on £20k plus per week to kick a ball around... The mind boggles, it really does!

Out of interest, why do you support Liverpool? I ask cos, Steven Gerrard aside, Liverpool FC might as well be in London, or Madrid, or Milan, or anywhere else for that matter. There is no sense of identification, no sense of pride, of grass roots, of ownership etc. in just paying a load of money to anyone who will live in driving distance of Merseyside, to come and play for them. The same of course goes for every other premiership football club pretty much.

The Olympics currently show off everything that is going right in British sport right now. We're a small island nation, but my god we're punching above our weight! The Football Premiership highlights everything wrong in British sport right now, as for the most part, it's not even British! How can we have a good national team if there is no grass roots any more, and some of our international team don't even have regular starting positions in their clubs!

Bring back the 3 foreign player per squad rule, bring in wage caps, penalise blatant diving more severely and get rid of the aspirational lifestyle and Football may gain some respect again... As it is, I don't even care that last years premiership was decided on the last kick of the last game, cos when it has as little relevance to me as it does currently, the premiership is a total waste of time.

As for the argument about the men's game being slower paced cos the skills are higher... Easy to say that, much harder to prove. What I as a spectator notice is MUCH more creativity, attacking skill and flair, effort and desire in the women's game than the mens, which makes it a better watch. The England Women's keeper is also a damned sight better than the England men's keeper (Joe Hart?)...


 
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I like football threads. They let you know who the dickheads are on here.

1) Man U
2) Man C
3) Arsenal
4) Spurs
5) Chelsea


 
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I've loved the olympics, and I'm looking forward to the football season. If you focus on the negative aspect of any sport it can all seem a little pointless.
I don't see much difference to a footballer diving to get a freekick/penalty to say an Olympic cyclist deliberately hitting the deck to get a restart because he messed it up.


 
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The Football Premiership highlights everything wrong in British sport right now, as for the most part, it's not even British!

Or, you could see it as 'the English Premier League is perhaps the most ethnically and culturally diverse in the World, with players representing many nations and cultures'. And something we could be proud of, as we are when celebrating the diversity and inclusiveness of the Olympics.

i don't get football bashing. People who don't like the game choose to highlight negative aspects of how it's run and the behaviour of some players, yet ignore many of the positive aspects, such as charity projects founded and supported by many players, for example the Didier Drogba Foundation: http://www.thedidierdrogbafoundation.com/ or the Steven Gerrard Foundation: http://www.stevengerrardfoundation.org/ as well as countless others.

Football reaches more people than any other sport on the planet. Which is why it is loved by so many.

But carry on being miserable and hating something, if it makes you feel better about yourself.


 
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Oh and I almost forgot.

1, Wolves
2,Bolton
3, Brighton
4, Birmingham
5, Forest
6, Cardiff


 
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Dear God, and I know I didn't have to click on the thread title,

yet you did - ooooh ooooh oooh look how cool i am i don't like football and here's another chance to tell people, ooooh oh and other monkey spanking sounds

I like football threads. They let you know who the dickheads are on here.

1) Man U
2) Man C
3) Arsenal
4) Spurs
5) Chelsea


Is that your league predictions or dickhead quotients?


 
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Is that your league predictions or dickhead quotients?

I'd say quotients given the lack of any scouse supported team there. 🙂


 
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Inspire a generation..

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Posted : 09/08/2012 1:36 pm
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All that logo is lacking is comic Sans

You forgot about drop shadow and emboss. 😉

I used to love football, it's ridiculously overhyped/overblown these days. I also don't like the weird thing where blokes are expected to know/care about it and seen as a bit odd if they don't.


 
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Do you really spend the brief time off that we have wondering what will happen this upcoming season?

Yes.

To some of us, it is very important. To others, it isn't. Mleh 🙄

And:

Man C
Man U
Spurs
Arsenal
Chelsea
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SAFC somewhere in the upper middle (I hope)


 
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I'm thinking of setting up a 'Dickhead League' to track the number of times Forumites who aren't interested in football come on to a football thread to tell us they don't care...

What are your predictions?


 
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I'm thinking of setting up a 'Dickhead League' to track the number of times Forumites who aren't interested in football come on to a football thread to tell us they don't care...

Whatever... 😐


 
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^^ ..and the new season is off to a flyer with too cool for school favourite seizing the opportunity to take an early lead


 
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Inspire a generation..

quite

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i don't get football bashing. People who don't like the game choose to highlight negative aspects of how it's run and the behaviour of some players, yet ignore many of the positive aspects, such as charity projects founded and supported by many players, for example the Didier Drogba Foundation

You don't understand why people might be motivated to bash? I suppose as a supporter it's easy to miss how those of us not really interested get bombarded with football, football, football at the expense of other more interesting sports which have far better role models and better atmospheres both on the arena and amongst the spectators. Of course the bashers have to put in so much effort to find negative things to comment about. Very impressive that Drogba foundation though - claims to have raised £1m in 5 years. That's about 20% of his annual salary isn't it?


 
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struggling to get the funding they need to compete at the level they want to,

if people cared enough about beach volleyball and synchronised diving to pay to go and watch it every week (like they do with football) rather than get their knickers in a twist once every 4 years, then they wouldn't be struggling amateurs, would they?


 
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Meh.


 
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I suppose as a supporter it's easy to miss how those of us not really interested get bombarded with football, football, football at the expense of other more interesting sports which have far better role models and better atmospheres both on the arena and amongst the spectators

You've obviously never been to somewhere like Wembley, Old Trafford, Anfield, the Nou Camp or Griffin Park if you think you can get much better atmospheres at other sports. And cycle racers over the decades have been such great role models, what with their squeaky clean lifestyles and 100% sportsmanship and honesty.

As for 'interesting' that's purely subjective. I can be rivetted for 90 minutes or more for a football match, yet bored within 90 seconds for Tennis. I don't have a problem with tennis though, it's just not for me. i don't start crying when wimbledon's on wall to wall on the telly and in the media. I like the fact so many others love it.

That's about 20% of his annual salary isn't it?

What percentage of your annual salary do you give to charity? Driogba gave an entire endorsement fee of £3 million to charity. He may get paid a lot, but he gives a lot too. I suspect more lives are positively affected because of his efforts, than yours or mine.

Carry on hating though. It really makes you look good.


 
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Can't see Spurs doing that well this season, Villa-Boas did his best to get Chelski relegated.


 
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it's easy to miss how those of us not really interested get bombarded with football, football, footbal

ever tried using one of these, they're brilliant, working well for me during the McGames
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i don't start crying when wimbledon's on wall to wall on the telly and in the media.

For all of 2 weeks. You poor dear.


 
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Dont care as long as it as entertaining as last year
Chelsea sopurs and Liverpool are the interesting ones this season

Think Chelsea will impode under the manager
Spurs will sack AVB
Liverpool will struggle at fiorst but satrt to se ethe team take shap in the second half
if they give him 3 years I think he can do something but I hold little hope of him getting 3 years


 
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For all of 2 weeks. You poor dear.

..but with 2 posts showing he's still lurking on the thread on the subject about which he cares so little, right on pomposity makes up for his slow start.


 
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For all of 2 weeks. You poor dear.

..but with 2 posts showing he's still lurking on the thread on the subject about which he cares so little, right on pomposity makes up for his slow start.

TSY - you're onto something here


 
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Have I lost the lead yet, BBSB?


 
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on the subject about which he cares so little

I thought this was a thread about being disinterested in football? Something I care about deeply.


 
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Watching the sporting endeavours of true athletes during the olympics has made me realise how crap footballers really are. So football season = meh. Never ever thought i'd say that.


 
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Dear God, and I know I didn't have to click on the thread title,

yet you did - ooooh ooooh oooh look how cool i am i don't like football and here's another chance to tell people, ooooh oh and other monkey spanking sounds

Prevention is always better than cure... Just doing my bit to help keep the forum football free! 😉

As for Drogba. Fair enough, the man is (off the field) an absolute legend and I have enormous respect for him doing what he does. It's the fact he earns something like £100k a week to dive on the floor several times a week, intermittently perhaps actually kicking a football, that I really detest. If I was offered 1/100th of what he earns, to do the thing I enjoy most (I'm assuming footballers actually enjoy their jobs here), I'd bite that persons arm off and be bloody happy about it! Why on earth have football wages been allowed to spiral as they have? It's worse than the bankers in the city!

Oh, and as for the comment about an atmosphere at a sporting event... Been to football matches a couple of times in the past. You want atmosphere? Go to Twickenham for a Rugby International, it is something else entirely!


 
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1)Mboy
2)aracer
3)The Don
4)Flashy

Mboy just pipping aracer on volume of posts and trotting out cliches.


 
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3rd post from self righteous pomposity, but for sheer volume including the predictable references to wages and the atmosphere at a rugby game (which to be fair is excellent if you want to catch up on your sleep of a saturday afternoon) couldn't wait to post monkey spanker takes the lead in the tsy league

we maybe need a separate thread for this

EDIT damn you rubbish keyboard skillz


 
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I've included Flashy because he will post at some point.


 
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You want atmosphere? Go to Twickenham for a Rugby International, it is something else entirely!

Really? How?

I've been to both Twickers and Camp Nou, so can make a direct comparison.


 
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You seem to have settled in very well elfin, sorry I mean Mike 🙂


 
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it is something else entirely!

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodgate ]Well the cheating at twickenham certainly is[/url]


 
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You've obviously never been to somewhere like Wembley, Old Trafford, Anfield, the Nou Camp or Griffin Park if you think you can get much better atmospheres at other sports.

I've been to Anfield once. YNWA at the start of the match was awesome.....the continual foul mouthed abuse of players/refs/etc was one of the most depressing things that I've endured.

The last time that I went to Twickenham I sat with my wife and my parents between a group of Ospreys fans and a group of Leicester fans. Loads of great friendly banter was had. Some one behind us said the F word once, and was told by several people to watch his language as there were kids sitting nearby. There was still a very lively and vocal atmosphere, just not abusive.

All the money in the wouldn't wouldn't get my wife or parents into a football match, and I can't even begin to imagine wanting to take kids to any of the stadiums (Anfield, Ewood Park and Britannia that I've visited.....


 
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Personally I think it's sad that people are so quick to hate something they have no involvement or interest in. As i've said, i'm not a fan of golf or tennis, but I appreciate that others love them, and sport is great. i've never been interested in cricket, but obviously millions of others are. And I dare say valid arguments can be made for badminton, chess or whatever, for 'atmosphere', because that's a totally subjective experience.

I'm sure many sports have their negative sides; cycle racing certainly has. In fact it has an image tainted with cheating more than most other sports. But should we dismiss it because of that? Or enjoy the spectacle and the positive aspects?


 
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You seem to have settled in very well elfin, sorry I mean Mike

just thinking the same thing 🙂


 
Posted : 09/08/2012 3:33 pm
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Tom B; interesting perspective. I've been to boxing matches where the crowd is far scarier than the fighters. Really not a place i'd want to have a disagreement with somebody. But in the context of the sport, the atmosphere is amazing. It's impossible to explain really. And as for swearing; go to a greyhound meeting. Still a great atmosphere though. I don't have kids so the 'family friendly' aspect isn't something I'd consider, but I see your point.


 
Posted : 09/08/2012 3:34 pm
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I've been to Anfield once. YNWA at the start of the match was awesome.....the continual foul mouthed abuse of players/refs/etc was one of the most depressing things that I've endured.

Ah, but the football lovers have a different definition of "better atmosphere" than you or I do, and discount that sort of thing so long as everybody is being wonderfully passionate and tribal, in the same way they discount the antics of the players on the pitch.

As for cycling being spoiled by the drugs, I thought we were talking about the present - I'm sure there was a great atmosphere and sportsmanly conduct at football matches 50 years ago. Or would you like to explain to Wiggo et al why current footballers make better role models because of that?

Personally I think it's sad that people are so quick to hate something they have no involvement or interest in.

If only it was possible to completely avoid football.


 
Posted : 09/08/2012 3:35 pm
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It's interesting that he ignores the accusations.

but the football lovers have a different definition of "better atmosphere" than you or I do,

Is that a problem then aracer?


 
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