Shut everything down because of a respiratory disease released from a lab in Wuhan.
Says everything we need to know about the poster
Along with post "DR" John Campbell vids - he is a retired nurse like me not a doctor of medicine and the one vid I tried to watch of his on vaccinations had so many basic errors of fact in it that it was laughable
I poersonally watched people die of covid. Not of anything else but of covid
When we get to the point where we're trying desperately to exclude the 'undeserving sick' for cost grounds, it's a desperate knee-jerk because we can see the NHS disappearing off a cliff and feel powerless to do anything about it.
There are no quick fixes, because all the cupboards are bare - NHS staffing, Local authority funding and everything in between. It's like multiple organ failure, a vicious circle where the solution to one problem just shines a light on another one.
Poor social care, more waits for elective surgery, and less primary care early intervention - more (and sicker) patients arriving via A&E - takes longer to sort them, then you can't discharge them. Their outcomes may be poorer because staffing shortages and bed pressures lead to suboptimal care. Their care needs are now greater than before, but no extra help is funded, so if you do discharge, back they come, sooner, and sicker than before.
The NHS needs a post-war style settlement, and an extended period of stable, responsible government so that investment can be made in a planned way rather than in response to perma-crisis. For all the derision of the Blair/Brown years, this is exactly what they tried, imperfectly, to do. The political will was there, the money was made available, the execution was in parts questionable.
Poly - the point was just to show that "the undeserving" are a very difficult group to actually define
The logic of saying the vax doesn't work because you still got covid is hopelessly flawed. That's like saying that wearing a helmet whilst biking still didn't stop you falling off your bike. Duuurh.
Just like a helmet (you're not one of the stupid people not wearing a helmet are you on the basis that the strap may give you a minor graze ?) Won't stop you crashing, and may not even stop you dieing if the crash is big enough, it will on a majority of occasions REDUCE (but not eliminate) the consequences in terms of head injury.
I am surrounded by eeeejits.
I hope kt360 stays around for a bit longer, I am quite keen to hear his views on Meghan and Harry.
I hope kt360 stays around for a bit longer, I am quite keen to hear his views on Meghan and Harry.
I am only interested on his views of M&H though if he can back it up with a YouTube video that confirms he is right.
The logic of saying the vax doesn’t work because you still got covid is hopelessly flawed. That’s like saying that wearing a helmet whilst biking still didn’t stop you falling off your bike. Duuurh.
Actually I never wear a helmet. Which is a perfectly reasonable position. Over half a century of enjoying helmet free cycling with no head injuries. I'm happy with my choice. Cycling is safe. 13 million miles before the first Boris Bike fatality.
https://understandinguncertainty.org/fatality-risk-boris-bikes
The Netherlands are full of eejits.
If a vaccine makes me ill enough to need time off work and I get Covid anyway I'll just give it a miss next time.
Can I correct that for you. There are thousands of people currently hospitalised by Covid for something else but happen
Sorry that’s nonsense. The number of admissions for the disease COVID19 has not fallen below 450/day since summer 2020. That’s about 2-3 per district hospital per day.
The current NHS issue is largely driven by limitations in social care access and absence of discharging. Coupled with a staffing challenge (10% vacancies) which has exacerbated the situation. The solution is social care provision. Disclaimer: my FIL is one of those patients who will need nursing home care presently.
Poly – the point was just to show that “the undeserving” are a very difficult group to actually define
Yeah it makes more sense as a straw man.
If a vaccine makes me ill enough to need time off work and I get Covid anyway I’ll just give it a miss next time.
But you know the point is that it reduces the severity of any infection you get, not preventing the infection full stop.
I presume you don't wear a seatbelt because it's not guaranteed to save you from having serious life changing injuries or even dying, and in the event of even a relatively minor crash you could well end up with bruised or even fractured ribs?
Just some respiratory disease, eh..? No big deal..?
I had an experience a bit like TJ's above at the beginning of covid. In spring 2020 I found myself working 12 hour back to back shifts on a covid assessment unit, attached to a major general hospital. We received patients referred to us from the NHS helpline, brought in by their families and dropped off in a car park at the edge of the campus where our unit was set up in a satellite building. I was the hired hand, an EMT and effectively the team ambulance driver. My role was essentially to help move those deemed positive, from family car to the assessment suite, and then back outside on trolleys or chairs to the ambulance, where the patients said goodbye to their family at the back door of the vehicle. I then drove them around the campus, to join the queue of ambulances waiting to drop off at red zone admissions and handover at resus. Back to base, clean down the vehicle, into fresh PPE and ready for the next one. It was relentless.
We had enough PPE, limited facts but no vaccines and little support from outside, just our team of around ten staff, all experienced and all from differing backgrounds but willing to volunteer for this unknown danger. We had two patients die on the very first evening shift; one a 42 year old male.
Every time I see an image of a line of ambulances parked outside an A&E, it makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.
This experience pales into insignificance compared to a friend, a charge nurse from a surgical ward normally, who was posted to run a covid ward at the same time. She had four patients die on her first night shift.
I have huge respect for the NHS; almost everyone who works there are wonderful people.
So, when some armchair warrior comes on here and tries to troll and dismiss the efforts of the caring NHS, I have nothing but scorn. Go back to your hole.
Actually I never wear a helmet. Which is a perfectly reasonable position. Over half a century of enjoying helmet free cycling with no head injuries. I’m happy with my choice. Cycling is safe.
This brings us away from the the covid sidetrack and back to original thread topic - Darwinism trips to A&E
I ended up in there about ten years ago after going over the bars at some considerable speed and faceplanting. I ended up in A&E at Bolton Royal on a Saturday afternoon in my muddy cycling gear absolutely covered in blood (you don't half splurge the claret out when you take most of the skin off your face and punch a big hole in it).
Anyway... I was seen within an hour, where they told me I was probably going to need plastic surgery to deal with the 'Multiple multi-directional lacerations' but they'd try to stitch me up as best they could in the meantime. The waiting room was full of people who had what could only be described as 'middle class sports injuries
Then I ended up with an unbelievable stroke of luck. They had a visiting German surgeon at the hospital who was an expert in facial reconstruction techniques and I'd apparently make an ideal subject to use as a demonstration to the trainee surgeons on how it was done. So I was straight into surgery and had the weird experience of having my face glued and stitched back together, under local anaesthetic, with a room full of people being talked through it, step by step. Given the state of my face its unbelievable how little scarring I've ended up with, though it ended my modelling career 🙂
If this happened to me this Saturday, what would the comparative experience be like? Very, very different indeed, no question
So far be it from me to argue with your expert opinion based purely on personal anecdote and some crap aout Boris bikes, but the surgeon who operated on me told me that looking at the impact wounds to my face and the Giro Hex helmet that was split up the middle (having done its job admirably), if I hadn't had it on I would either be:
a) Dead - in which case no worries to him or the A&E staff
or
b) being rushed in with life-changing injuries (beyond the loss of my modelling contracts) - probably a fractured skull and brain damage - in which case I would imagine I'd be a considerable burden to both A&E and the NHS on a lifelong basis
But you carry on. With your covid opinions too, you've obviously got this medical lark well and truly sussed out
though it ended my modelling career
Never give up trying.
Every time I see an image of a line of ambulances parked outside an A&E, it makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.
Thank you for what you did at such a difficult time. Thank you.
Remember we have one chap on here who was told by a doctor his helmet had saved is life. Only issue he wasn't wearing one. My GP is a keen everyday cyclist who doesn't wear a helmet
Its a matter of personal choice. Like developing a heroin habit or juggling with hand grenades
The point I'm making is that I was very very lucky, but I was given a fighting chance by arriving at an A&E unit that was able to deal with me almost immediately and dealt with me in the best way I could possibly have asked for. I am so grateful to them all. I wasn't sat outside in an ambulance for 10 hours and then treated by ultra-stressed, burnt out staff in a stacked out department
I'd hate to find myself in the same situation this week, compared to ten years ago
^^^ good to get it back on topic, and this touches onto my worry area.
I have had a few horrible crashes over the years which have required significant NHS resource to get me mended, for which I am eternally grateful. 2 blue light ambulance pick ups, various surgeries, face plastic surgery, shoulder reconstruction, skin grafts etc etc.
The most recent of these was over 2 years ago and pre-COVID and the current NHS crisis.
I genuinely wonder/worry what would/will happen the next time....
Perhaps related to this, I have ridden exclusively on my Wattbike in the garage since October .. 🙂
A&E triage should mean you will be OKish
Oh I'm so glad you can assure me of that 'fact'
Remember we have one chap on here who was told by a doctor his helmet had saved is life. Only issue he wasn’t wearing one.
Surely though, had they sustained the same injuries had they been wearing a helmet it would have been as a result of a bigger crash? In which case had they actually been wearing a helmet then the comparative injuries would have been less severe?
We had enough PPE, limited facts but no vaccines and little support from outside, just our team of around ten staff, all experienced and all from differing backgrounds but willing to volunteer for this unknown danger. We had two patients die on the very first evening shift; one a 42 year old male.
Every time I see an image of a line of ambulances parked outside an A&E, it makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. This experience pales into insignificance compared to a friend, a charge nurse from a surgical ward normally, who was posted to run a covid ward at the same time. She had four patients die on her first night shift.
The number of NHS clinical and support staff who must be still carrying deep trauma from what they did for us back then, and continue to do, perhaps explains why so many are looking for ways to exit the profession, and reinforces why the attitude of the present charlatan government is an utter betrayal and insult to them. Today, they put forward legislation which would ban strikes in frontline services. Words cannot express how disgraceful and low they are.
I am convinced that it is only a small minority who are against the nurses in this, and that this venal bunch haven't a hope of turning the rest of us against them.
The number of NHS clinical and support staff who must be still carrying deep trauma from what they did for us back then, and continue to do
A lot of what people might be feeling now could likely probably pale into insignificance when the gestation period for PTSD has passed. If you take the long term studies from defence we've got a good few years before we get hit with a wave of complex PTSD cases within the NHS, from a workforce still under pressure to perform and in certain roles exposed to repeated traumatic events.
I work with a few people from different staff groups in a coaching capacity and we've had to suspend those relationships whilst they seek professional support for deeper rooted issues. For many COVID was the final straw so to speak in their ability to manage the impact on themselves. End of their mental and emotional tether so to speak.
If anything, the situation of retention is only going to get worse as the delayed impact progressively ramps up.
Then I ended up with an unbelievable stroke of luck. They had a visiting German surgeon at the hospital who was an expert in facial reconstruction techniques and I’d apparently make an ideal subject to use as a demonstration to the trainee surgeons on how it was done.
Do you look German now?
I would have insisted on the proud Aryan chiseled chin look.
LOL
I am the polar opposite of 'chiselled'
Rather than forged from granite, think more moulded with playdoh 😀
They had a visiting German surgeon at the hospital who was an expert in facial reconstruction techniques
Do you look German now?
I would have insisted on the proud Aryan chiseled chin look.
Binners could have joined all his previous patients on that ranch near Buenos Aires.
kt360
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Binners, I notice you can post stupid Meme’s but you don’t actually refute the points I made. Same as ever.
That's because we've heard all this rubbish before, it was bollocks then and it's bollocks now. Not that you don't know this of course.😉
A meme is, at best, all it deserves.
but the surgeon who operated on me told me that looking at the impact wounds to my face and the Giro Hex helmet that was split up the middle (having done its job admirably), if I hadn’t had it on I would either be:
a) Dead – in which case no worries to him or the A&E staff
or
b) being rushed in with life-changing injuries (beyond the loss of my modelling contracts) – probably a fractured skull and brain damage – in which case I would imagine I’d be a considerable burden to both A&E and the NHS on a lifelong basis
Only playing devils advocate here, because I largely agree with everything you wrote...
But what would a full face helmet have done for you in the same situation?
kt360
Binners, I notice you can post stupid Meme’s but you don’t actually refute the points I made. Same as ever.
Well, Binners has made me laugh three times on this page alone.. so I know whose contribution I value more.
think more moulded with playdoh
But what would a full face helmet have done for you in the same situation?
I've no doubt it would have been more protective and possibly even saved my lucrative catwalk contract with Calvin Klein, but if I'd have ridden to the top of Winter Hill wearing one I would probably have sweated to death before I got to find out 😉
stupid Meme’s
What's bugging me is what is it that belongs to the stupid meme?
my lucrative catwalk contract with Calvin Klein
Arent they all chest down shots anyway?
"gear appropriate for the activity" I guess is key.
Just this morning have seen a friend has come off on his commute. Road rash and bruising on his knee (and ripped tights) by the look of his pics, looks like it would have easily been fully protected by the lightest of modern enduro kneepads - but I'm not going to argue that that is appropriate equipment either.
I am trying to understand where the solution can start from because the problems are all related and very complex.
Hasn't the PM just announced his solution that will fix(good and proper) the NHS ?.
He's just said the other day that private hospitals will solve all the problems.
.
So thats it. Decades of deliberate underfunding, which is how the tories work things - the absolute minimum needed, coupled with a sudden dangerous pandemic, meaning that just coping nhs is stretched beyond breaking point. Its probably now only the dedication of the nursing and doctors who are holding it together.
But its been damaged to the point that tory led privatization now will go ahead.
I have never met Binners so no first hand knowledge, but I think I've seen photos and there are of course reports of his looks.
The big question is whether this "top German facial construction surgeon" has been struck off for incompetence
I'm guessing kt360 has been banned as the Report button isn't on any of their posts. Even though they're gone I just wanted to back TJ up on this:
My Julie had a very aggressive metastatic cancer during covid. Zero delays in treatment / diagnosis
Throughout the whole pandemic the NHS treatment and care of my dad, who's going through Skin Cancer and other age-related stuff, has been exceptional. Every time I took him to an appointment, clinic or the local nurse visited him at home they have provided the most professional and caring service they could. In normal times it would have been considered very good but considering the circumstances and the pressures that they were so obviously under they never failed to do their jobs to the best of their abilities.
Seeing the slagging that certain posters are giving them is rather painful if I'm honest.
The big question is whether this “top German facial construction surgeon” has been struck off for incompetence
I think that in his defence he did his best with what he had to work with. When initially viewing my head his initial question was whether it was a King Edward or a Maris Piper
So thats it. Decades of deliberate underfunding, which is how the tories work things – the absolute minimum needed, coupled with a sudden dangerous pandemic, meaning that just coping nhs is stretched beyond breaking point. Its probably now only the dedication of the nursing and doctors who are holding it together.But its been damaged to the point that tory led privatization now will go ahead.
The sad thing is that most people, looking at this from the outside / with an element of detachment (because they / their family are not ill) will see the news about long queues at A&E, understaffing etc and the "ideas" from Government about fixing it via privitisation, health insurance etc and won't be too bothered by it.
"Oh yes, that could fix it" they'll think as they too have thoughts about those "undeserving" people and immigrants clogging up the system.
And then, far too late, they'll be in need of some healthcare themselves and they'll be faced with a colossal bill... And then no amount of outrage will fix it.
Same playbook as Brexit and then once implemented, most people went "oh wait, this is shit, this isn't what we voted for". Usually while standing in an hour-long passport queue in Spain while EU passport holders breezed on through...
I hadn't realised but my recent experience of A+E has changed my personal risk assessment. Previously, if I got home and realised I needed/wanted something from the shops I'd jump on the bike and face the unpleasant climb up the hill to the mini supermarket(s). Unpleasant due to the traffic and lack of overtaking space. Crash helmet or not.
Now I walk to the corner shop, which is ok for beer and crisps but not great for groceries.
So a diet of Beer and crisps will keep me out of hospital.
Same playbook as Brexit and then once implemented, most people went “oh wait, this is shit, this isn’t what we voted for”. Usually while standing in an hour-long passport queue in Spain while EU passport holders breezed on through…
Yep. Prey on apathy and feed a constant stream of othering and prejudice to deflect from the true origin of their perceived issues.
Hasn’t the PM just announced his solution that will fix(good and proper) the NHS ?.
He’s just said the other day that private hospitals will solve all the problems.
Unfortunately its labours answer as well. Nowt about more recruitment, nowt about bringing back the nurses bursary, nowt about sorting out social care just tinkering around the edges and more privatisation
The big question is whether this “top German facial construction surgeon” has been struck off for incompetence
I'm sorry binners but I laughed.
The sad thing is that most people,
I'd dispute the "most". Even my Brexity Tory parents are upset about what has happened to the public services.
Nowt about more recruitment
If that’s referring to Labour, it’s not true. In the Q&A after Starmer’s speech today he reiterated Labour’s commitment to training and recruiting more staff for the NHS that was made during their last party conference. Staffing is key, and Labour (and everyone else apart from the government it seems) know that.
Don't fall off your bike, without wearing a lid. You'll be sick to death of questions in A&E if you haven't, been there. Broke spine and lots of ribs, paramedics worried about my head - I said - there is my lid, not a mark on it, it's my back. Treatment then very targeded to a smashed up spine at T12/L1 level. Outwardly I looked intact, clothing OK etc. Wasn't until a few days later did my side go black.
TBH if you've been riding many years and have yet to land lid first and skid down the road or trail on your lid, then you aren't trying hard enough !
I presume you don’t wear a seatbelt because it’s not guaranteed to save you from having serious life changing injuries or even dying, and in the event of even a relatively minor crash you could well end up with bruised or even fractured ribs?
Though it's pretty unlikely a minor crash would cause serious injuries. In fact when I rolled a car on black ice while not wearing a seatbelt I got nothing but a few scratches from broken glass.
I rolled a car on black ice while not wearing a seatbelt I got nothing but a few scratches from broken glass.
I love all these hard man stories. Very entertaining.
If that’s referring to Labour, it’s not true. In the Q&A after Starmer’s speech today he reiterated Labour’s commitment to training and recruiting more staff for the NHS that was made during their last party conference. Staffing is key, and Labour (and everyone else apart from the government it seems) know that.
The govt (whoever they are) should make the sector more attractive first otherwise the shortage can never be solved. There must be appropriate incentive to increase the pool of potential NHS workers. Training etc are just the basics that need to do the job. The NHS workers must be made available first. I am afraid if any politicians are really thinking out of the box, they should at least solve this problem first. I genuinely, still stand by my view, think a special low income tax rate for NHS workers is the start. (No, it's not going to increase inflation and No, the govt will not go bankrupt if they tax less from NHS workers)
As I said earlier, if other industries/sectors also demand similar treatment i.e. low income tax rate, they should ask themselves if they are willing to let other people stick their fingers up their backside (prostate checking) or they prefer just the qualified NHS employees.
As the largest employer in the world, I find it lame for any govt to not treat NHS workers differently by really giving them a break. In the current situation, if the govt cannot or do not want to pump more funds into NHS, the least they can do is by reducing the cost of living pressure for them. (for example, just random example to explain my point, the govt can say that they can reduce their tax by 6% and give them 6% increase, or cut their income tax rate by 12% etc or whatever). This can be done but obviously the inland revenue might argue that there is a "big hole" in the budget etc, which in my view is nothing but greed.
Can anyone, economist if you are one, explain to me why this cannot be done? Bear in mind, the NHS workers will still spend some of their income in the local economy. i.e. money still in circulation.
