That’ll be his own fault for not working in construction whilst being careful and healthy.
I had to switch over 24H A&E when the lass came in with a broken ankle after falling off an inflateable - freak accident - that was grim, foot snapped off completely, held on with a flap of skin. Surprisingly little blood, but the bottom of her led bones sticking out - oof.
showing a total lack of grasp of the issues
Sister's husband was a GP (until he died of cancer in his mid 50s). Friends who are nurses and consultants. I understand the issues very well. I also won't take lessons on condescension from you, tj....
I had to switch over 24H A&E when the lass came in with a broken ankle after falling off an inflateable – freak accident – that was grim, foot snapped off completely, held on with a flap of skin. Surprisingly little blood, but the bottom of her led bones sticking out – oof.
You missed the best bit when they popped it back in place. A little while later while waiting for surgery, she could wiggle her toes. She made a full recovery!
What a Ledge
And then just to emphasis it the response comes:
The physio who helped me with the first break liked working on me because I didn’t complain, just told her to get on with it.
Why were you having physio btw?
I didn't need any physio with my breaks, I just got on with it. Mind you I have never ridden an ebike so perhaps that's something to do with it?
Oh god, noo !
Oh well A&E After Dark on C5 now - that really shows what goes on !
When I broke a bone I just put some sticking plaster on it and carried on. Real man me!
I also won’t take lessons on condescension from you, tj….
you probably should though.
Yours, impartial observer.
I lasted about 5 minutes with Ambulance tonight after today’s shift. Let’s just say some kids aren’t as legendary as Montgomery.
Drac, don't watch C5 then, started with time wasters, lots of them.
I lasted about 5 minutes with Ambulance tonight after today’s shift
I’m probably wrong but aren’t you a Paramedic? Seems mad to watch other people doing your job in your downtime 😀
The physio who helped me with the first break liked working on me because I didn’t complain, just told her to get on with it.
Why were you having physio btw? I didn’t need any physio with my breaks, I just got on with it.
Something to do with the two operations and the metal t-piece I still have in my arm (and the main point you didn't quote, about the physio's observation re: 50-60% negative outcomes due to being overweight). But, for the record, my second break in Knoydart: set the bone myself, got to the Belford next day for a quick plaster job, no physio, and whipped off the cast myself six weeks later. Just sayin,' like.
I’m probably wrong but aren’t you a Paramedic? Seems mad to watch other people doing your job in your downtime
It does. My family like to watch it and while there’s some tv magic in there it catches the job well.
We’ll never know, will we?
Well, we will, because it's very well understood. You don't die from a viral disease because you had a bike with a battery attached to it. Being a brickie never stopped anyone from getting cancer.
You, like others, seem to be confusing population level effects with individual responses. It’s about taking personal responsibility for your health
As far as it goes, yes, alongside the state's duty of care there should be an individual responsibility on everyone to do what they can to care for their own health. On this we agree and for that I applaud you, sincerely. But the examples you've chosen to demonstrate that point are somewhere between daft and deeply offensive.
Something to do with the two operations and the metal t-piece I still have in my arm
I’ve protected the NHS by keeping myself healthy all my life
Hmm…
got to the Belmont next day
Err has Fort William got its looooooong awaited new hospital then ? Or is it still the same old Belford?
I’ve protected the NHS by keeping myself healthy all my life
there are many illnesses and disabilities that are nowt to do with how healthy you are
what you actually mean is you have been lucky with your genetics and what you have had. Its highly offensive to those who have blameless illness to suggest its all their fault for not being healthy which is what you are doing. And 60% obese patients is bobbins!
But, for the record, my second break in Knoydart: set the bone myself, got to the Belford next day for a quick plaster job, no physio, and whipped off the cast myself six weeks later. Just sayin,’ like.
...and the very next week, the same set of numbers came up again.
Which was nice.
Something to do with the two operations and the metal t-piece I still have in my arm
That sounds quite expensive for the NHS - was it due to carelessness on your part or just an unfortunate accident which apparently aren't likely to happen if you keep fit?
Sorry - I've not been following the thread very closely. Is the metal T piece part of an ebike?
The reason the 'branding' is about pay is because 90% of the press are stooges for the right wing Gov and push the message the Gov want. But many ferhook whits choose to not read past it.
My daughter is in nursing. Even back in the summer her hospital had a waiting time at A+E between about 25 and 28 hours depending on when you took the snapshot (and in the daytime, not even when filled with piiished eeejits either).
The elected by a few PM even announced privatisation by rhe back door today if anyone was listening. Let 'independent' suppliers fill gaps where needed. What - at a higher cost and wirh private profit for their owners instead of having the capacity required in the real NHS. It's being set up the way the railways and energy supply are. And aren't they roaring successes (well yes for the private owners !)
@ceepers Your assertion that dentistry has evolved in the last half century is something that a) should be blindly obvious to anyone who's given it a moment's thought and b) something I hadn't given a moment's thought to. So thanks for that.
As a kid I had four perfectly good molars removed under a general to 'make room' due to overcrowding. I have no idea today whether that work was necessary; I'd like to believe that it was undertaken in good faith, it was a local family practice of long standing. Between that, a couple of premolar extractions and never getting my wisdom teeth, I have 22 out of 32 in a full adult set. On both sides of my mouth I can get my tongue in the gaps with my teeth clenched.
Somewhat ironically I finally had my first wisdom tooth eruption about a year ago, though it's done little after breaking the surface and in any case there is nothing to oppose it so is pointless.
I have a (remaining) molar which broke maybe six months ago, but has been problematic for years in that if I catch it wrong with food there's a sharp acute pain. Almost opposing is a premolar which the dentist said was 50:50 as to whether it was salvageable; he saved it in the end but it was several visits and some of the worst pain I've ever known. Over on the other side is a canine with a hole in the back, it's not giving me any trouble as yet but I can feel with my tongue that the hole is slowly growing and, well, as you said yourself, I'm conscious that at some point it'll hit a nerve.
In high school I broke both front top incisors. The lad on the other side of the desk threw a punch at me, I ducked and kerbed them on the edge of the desk. Lost half of one and three quarters of the other. They've given me no end of trouble over the years. Multiple crowns; nerve burned out; metal insert; abscess requiring several courses of antibiotics and a root canal; etc etc.
Fast forward to a couple of years ago, the family practice I've been going to since I had milk teeth is now part of a MyDentist chain. I was late for an appointment once so they struck me off, then covid hit and the country shut down before I had chance to complain / appeal.
Fast forward to literally today, there's a local practice accepting NHS patients for "a limited time." I got in, the first appointment they have free is the middle of April.
At 2:30, I shit you not.
And 60% obese patients is bobbins!
What I can believe is that it's a convenient excuse for everything. An ex was probably classed as obese, "have you thought about losing weight" was the first thing out of many practitioners' mouths for wildly unrelated GP visits like eye pain.
I don't doubt that being overweight causes or exacerbates many issues. But it's definitely the go-to when many of them see a fat lass.
I also won’t take lessons on condescension from you, tj….
you probably should though.
Yours, impartial observer.
Oof! But made me laugh.
I’m enjoying Chuck Norris, having joined the discussion, regaling us with the tales of him and his dad
Can’t wait to the next bit where he replaces his own kneecaps using only a blunt, rusty pair of garden shears, using parts fashioned out of the splintered skulls of his enemies
*swoon*
But, for the record, my second break in Knoydart: set the bone myself, got to the Belford next day for a quick plaster job, no physio, and whipped off the cast myself six weeks later. Just sayin,’ like.
But, for the record, my second break in Knoydart: set the bone myself, got to the Belford next day for a quick plaster job, no physio, and whipped off the cast myself six weeks later. Just sayin,’ like.
Pfft.
After an iron like erection lasting over 2 days I resorted to rabbit punching my dick repeatedly whilst thinking of Margaret Thatcher. Only after that didn't work did I trouble A & E.
It was then discovered that I had punched my dick so much and so hard that I had caught leukaemia, which I treat once daily with half a paracetamol and a bit of a sit down.
For the record, when I broke my collarbone on a Sunday evening at Swinley, I went to bed with two paracetamol so as not to overwhelm a busy Sunday A&E. went in the next day and they failed to spot it. Six weeks later after a private scan, they were a little more certain 😉
For my second trip I narrowly missed appearing on 24hrs in A&E (yea I was in THAT bed with the same consultant). I was probably too high on fentanyl and the junior doctor performed her first chest drain on my very torso. I could have done it myself, for sure, with a decent butter knife and a brake bleed kit, but sadly the five breaks in my good wrist meant it was a struggle. And the butter knife was blunt.
You were lucky.. the only first aid we had was "let the dog lick it"
^^ You owned a dog??
This reminds me of that time I lost a limb. Stung a bit but it’s amazing what you can do with a pack of cable ties and a spare inner tube. If I was a fat lad it would’ve probably killed me but, being the prime specimen that I am, I’ve suffered no ill effects and didn’t even need to go to hospital. I should be given a golden stethoscope for services to the NHS. If we could just all man up a little bit, not get ill and power through any injuries or illnesses we could turn the NHS around in no time.
And 60% obese patients is bobbins!
Read it again. I wrote '[the physio] said 50-60% of her patients were suffering extended complications because they were overweight.'
Interesting the way people pick out single points and respond to them with personal attacks (then pile on my non-personal replies to those attacks), while avoiding addressing issues round quality of life, taking personal responsibility for your health, and realistic expectations for the ageing process.
As regards my first break being expensive: came off the bike at the end of a 3500km trip, breaking the arm. Got back on the bike, rode it one handed to a railway station, put it in storage then took a taxi to the hospital. Guess it depends on what you think institutions like the NHS are for: patching you up when you break so you're good to go - or doling out a lifetime of diabetes, blood pressure and mental health medication.
I'm completely on board with all the current strike action and the motivation behind it (not pay, that's a distraction). But it's dishonest not to look at the bigger picture.
But hey, ignore that and crack on with the personal attacks.
While people are not in A+E because they are obese it is clearly a very big reason why a lot of people end up with illnesses which they need hospital treatment for in later life so shouldn't pretend it isn't.
I woke up dead this am but resuscitated myself as I needed to be at work. Can’t put any pressure on the NHS.
I wrote ‘[the physio] said 50-60% of her patients were suffering extended complications because they were overweight.’
Still bobbins.
MY Missus died of aggressive metastatic cancer. what you are saying is its her fault. Nice
Its been pointed out to you how offensive you are being and you double down
You were lucky.. the only first aid we had was “let the dog lick it”
^^ You owned a dog??
No, "the dog" was a nickname for Uncle Steve.
Guess it depends on what you think institutions like the NHS are for: patching you up when you break so you’re good to go – or doling out a lifetime of diabetes, blood pressure and mental health medication.
Ah, got it. It's fine to use the NHS to intervene in consequences arising from lifestyle choices, so long as they're your lifestyle choices.
... also, how the hell does mental health fall into that logic? If folk are suicidal they should just pull their socks up and learn to cheer up a bit? Maybe go do a bit of plastering?
… also, how the hell does mental health fall into that logic? If folk are suicidal they should just pull their socks up and learn to cheer up a bit?
Somehow, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that's part of Therese Coffey's big announcement to save the NHS.
Telling it like it is to all the woke libtard snowflakes who clog up our valuable NHS just cos they're feeling suicidal, the poor petals.
You, pull your socks up and be happy!
Next!
Just to clarify, I genuinely was just having a giggle rather than a dig at you, I'm not even entirely sure what the current argument is about on here.😁
I woke up dead this am but resuscitated myself
"Aye, tell it to the youth of today and they just don't believe ya"
MY Missus died of aggressive metastatic cancer. what you are saying is its her fault
No I'm not. Cancer is going to get 1 in 2, 1 in 3 of us (that ageing population thing, again). It got my BiL in his mid 50s. It's one of those population-wide inevitabilities (like childbirth and maternity, but NOT IVF in my opinion) that the NHS is for, and can achieve good results at, provided it gets the funding. Again: population vs the individual, inevitability vs choice.
I gave myself a kidney transplant last week, using a handy ‘how to…’ guide I bought from Argos
Next week I’m going to go for the triple heart bypass. How hard can it be?
It’s one of those population-wide inevitabilities (like childbirth and maternity, but NOT IVF in my opinion) that the NHS is for, and can achieve good results at, provided it gets the funding
We needed IVF to treat infertility that was a sequelae to my cancer treatment in my early 20s. If IVF is a no-no, are we also ruling out breast reconstruction post mastectomy?
It's easy to have an opinion on who the deserving/undeserving sick are when they are talking about people other than themselves, whose lives they don't fully understand.
There is a discussion about when end-of-life care should trump active intervention, but covid didn't just kill people who were screwed anyway, it killed a fair few people who had potentially decades of decent quality life ahead of them, whether they were overweight or diabetic or whatever. Your definition of 'quality' may not chime with theirs, but that's not relevant.
Just because you are fortunate enough to be in a position to maintain your personal fitness, and place a relatively light burden (so far) on the NHS, doesn't mean that you get to be the reference point about the value of the lives of others. All that can change overnight for anyone, they could fall ill, lose fitness, gain weight, suffer mentally. Suddenly you are the burden on society, and it may feel different to have other people standing in judgement on your ongoing 'value'.
We have the population we have right now, for good or worse. Society in general needs to be better at addressing the early causes of ill health, but that is a long-term project to reduce the burden for future generations, and is separate from offering a basic level of care to people who are suffering right now.
Loving the fact that someone has leveraged this thread for an extended humblebrag. Brilliant!
Its a highly emotive subject and i dont claim to know the answer, but IVF could be an area where joined up government thinking could be applied.
There's a cost to providing IVF to people wanting to have children, there's a cost to having large numbers of kids in the care system needing foster carers/adopters to provide them with a loving and supportive start to improve their life chances (and save on longer term social costs).
If we're considering hard conversations about end of life treatment, maybe hard conversations are needed at the start? Again, not saying I know the answer, I've had friends go down both routes.
I know adoption may not be condidered "the same" as having a birth child, but maybe a wider societal view is needed. (The fact that MrsMC is needing to place the tenth child from one woman at the moment may be influencing my thinking!)
