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This morning my car wouldn't start; the engine was turning over but wouldn't quite catch so I ended up having to call out the AA who ran a diagnostic check which threw up a bunch of error codes:
Engine control 1 - 57J / Diesel EDC 16C34 Status :P1351 - Glow duration control.
Error Message : Faulty. error static. Status :P0406 - Exhaust recirc. position sensor.
Error Message : Signal error. error sporadic. Status :P1404 - Supplementary heater heating element 2.
Error Message : Short to +/ground, or open circuit. error sporadic. Status :P1461 - Exhaust recirc. position sensor.
Error Message : Malfunction. error sporadic. Status :P0409 - Exhaust recirc. position sensor.
Error Message : Malfunction. error sporadic. Status :P0489 - Exhaust-gas re-circulation. Error Message : Maximum exceeded. error sporadic. Status :P0339 - Crankshaft position sensor.
Error Message : Signal error. error sporadic. Status :P0335 - Crankshaft position sensor. Error Message : Signal error. error sporadic. Status :P1462 - Exhaust recirc. position sensor.
Error Message : Malfunction. error static. Status :P0341 - Camshaft position sensor.
Error Message : Signal error. error sporadic.
The AA man tried a couple of times to get it started without success and then in that time honored tradition of "just one last try" it started. We left it running for around 5 minutes and then he advised me to take it straight to a garage for a full diagnostic check and suggested a local garage which a couple of friends had also recommended.
I explained what had happened to them which they implied was a common complaint with Peugeot diesels and asked when the car had last been serviced and where which was a master service in April by Formula One which made them roll their eyes but I have always found them to be very good. They also said that the AA's roadside diagnostic equipment is fairly basic and it would need a full diagnostic check to identify the faults.
It had taken about 20 minutes to get there and a similar journey home in which time the car was faultless and started up first time when I left. This evening before coming to work I started it up, again first time and left it running for 5 minutes again with no obvious issues.
To try and get the ball rolling I'm thinking of getting a mobile diagnostic service to come out and run some tests to try and find out exactly what is wrong so I can get some idea of just how eye wateringly expensive this is liable to be. I'm student nurse and have spent my half term doing shifts to pay for a holiday but think that may have just gone for Burton 🙁
So the point of this ramble is what can those more learned in the way of wagons suggest maybe the causes or cures and ball park estimates on what it will cost to put right.
Supplementary info:
Peugeot 307 1.6 Hdi estate 55 plate
106454 miles
20 mile each way average journey, 4 to 5 days a week
Some smaller local journeys at the weekend
Over the last two months there have been two intermittent faults which were mentioned to Formula One at the time of service.
1) Engine management light comes on with anti pollution system fault message. This maybe at the start of a journey or randomly during one. It started out being every few days but is now daily.
2) Every now and then while driving the car seems to almost hiccup, like something is being blocked somewhere and its runs a bit lumpy for a moment and then sorts it self out. Days or even weeks can go by between this happening and there seems to be no pattern as to when it does this.
Also last week the car wouldn't start and was jumped by a neighbor. Again you could hear the engine turning over but just wouldn't catch. The battery was replaced last July when the old one died.
When was the last time you gave it a 'damned good thrashing' to clean out the DPF? (at least 15 minutes at 70mph) ❓
That would have been either Thursday or Friday of last week. My commute takes me around 35 minutes and around 20 minutes is at motorway speed.
sounds like your going to have to throw some money at it.
my bet is on the glow plugs.
Nearly all those fault codes will be due to cranking the shit out of the engine and can just be deleted. I'd be re checking the fuel filter and attached pipes for air leaks. If that's all good clean out the egr and get it on a proper diagnostics.
The fuel filter was changed when it was serviced in April so that should be OK but certainly worth getting them to check as that may explain the hiccupping.
When you say cranking the s... out the engine, I don't thrash the car if that's what you mean. If anything I'm quite a conservative driver as I'm terrified of getting a speeding ticket and my insurance going up.
Cranking turning over spinning on the starter for ages without it starting. This throws up errors from crank and cam sensors and if voltage drops every other sensor you can think of.
1) Engine management light comes on with anti pollution system fault message. This maybe at the start of a journey or randomly during one. It started out being every few days but is now daily.
At that milage, you were likely low on DPF regen fluid, now if it's every day you've likely run out, which could well mean a dead DPF which will be £££ to replacre or ££ to remove (but that is naughty)
We had a 307 2.0hdi which had similar problems and it turned out to be a very small crack in the fuel line behind the engine pulling in air. AA man also had loads of other faults coming up but but once the local garage repaired the fuel line everything was ok
Get the codes cleared and then run it for a week or so, then get the codes read again.
Sounds like fuelling is a possible issue.
When the fuel filter on my scenic dCI was changed, one of the fuel line connectors didn't want to stay locked in place so a zip tie was required. That seemed to help with the starting, as it would take several goes.
As it's a 2005 car it's unlikely to have a DPF. Also you don't need to break any speed limits to give the engine a good workout. Change gear later and leave it in a low gear to keep the revs up.
I have a 2005 407 2.0 HDi
Same engine. It has an eloys fluid regenerated DPF.
1) Engine management light comes on with anti pollution system fault message. This maybe at the start of a journey or randomly during one. It started out being every few days but is now daily.
My Pug van does this, mainly if you jump in it, start up and take off quickly usually backwards, like coming out of a parking space.
My reading on it seems to suggest the bloke at Peugeot writing codes just got to Friday afternoon and said "**** it, that'll do" and used that code in for everything as many things trigger the code.
Vacuum system?
My 206 managed to create a vacuum in the fuel tank once and had similar symptoms. It appeared to be related to an overall vac system fault with some persiished pipes. They were swapped out and it has been fine since.
Occasionally the fault peep sounds but registers nothing, usually in the style of saddle's van.
Get a bluetooth code reader from eBay and the corresponding app for your smartphone. Clear the codes and see which (if any) come back.
For a 12 year old diesel, I'm gonna go with either:
- Glow Plugs and/or their controller
- Something is gunked up. EGR, DPF, throttle body etc etc
- Something is leaking vacuum. Hose, N75 valve
- All of the above
I'd check the voltage on the battery and the performance of the alternator too.
So today I heard back the garage who ran a full diagnostic check on the car and have said that everything points to the EGR valve being borked which they suspect has set off all the other sensors so a new one is required. They estimate around two hours to remove and replace due to where it is situated on the engine and the labour charge plus the diagnostic scan will be around £200.
They weren't able to tell me how much the new EGR valve will be due to finishing the job after the parts place had closed so they'll update me tomorrow.
£187 for the Haas one so guestimate £400 all in providing their happy for me to supply the part. Will see what they say tomorrow.
They also mentioned the glow plugs could be damaged due to the faulty EGR but wont know until its all been put back together again. If so then they'll have to replace them too which they suggested would be around a three hour job, again due to the location of the plugs.
With that in mind it could all end up costing me around £700 to get it back up and running 😯
Half tempted to say just changed the plugs while your at it and had done with it. May save an hour or so's labour.