MegaSack DRAW - This year's winner is user - rgwb
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I'm quite happy for my licence fee to go towards SoP etc, my issues with TG are:
It could be so much better, and used to be, some of the specials at least tried to inform.
Other channels are doing better stuff on cars (esp classics) now.
JC's attitude to cyclists and the worrying way in which so many think it's just a joke etc.
The general lowest common denominator/Express reader/taxi driver approach to whatever they want to mian about (cyclists, bus lanes etc).
I liked it. So there.
Careful al, the point of my thread nearly got you then.....
It was worth it to see the Beaver gloves and hats...
The whole number plate thing smacks of a production meeting,followed by a possible tip-off to local media that TG were filming??. A part of me very suspicious about the FKL plate being "originally" fitted to the 928!!, BE11END plates ready in the back??. They had all that hassle in the US with the "Queer" graffiti on their 3 cars. TG for the most part enjoyable and best when they prank just each other..... 🙁
A part of me very suspicious about the FKL plate being "originally" fitted to the 928!!
Which part of you is very suspicious.
Is that part of you not very clever?
Stunning place. Great advert for Argentina.
It has been stated by BBC/Top Gear team that:-
Plates original
Car not bought for plate.
My only conspiracy theory is around the fact that car could have been bought for any of the things they usually do to them and then, after it was bought, the plate was noted and a hilarious jape planned around it.
I found it suprising that cameras captured the moment the plate fell off.
ps: I thought it was a great travel programme.
It could be so much better, and used to be, some of the specials at least tried to inform.
Other channels are doing better stuff on cars (esp classics) now.
JC's attitude to cyclists and the worrying way in which so many think it's just a joke etc.
The general lowest common denominator/Express reader/taxi driver approach to whatever they want to mian about (cyclists, bus lanes etc).
I concur with this. Most of me hopes the "butch cassidy" style ending was a subliminal end to a production of the program. I'd be all in favor though of a reinvention with new presenters (perhaps May could stay) of a motoring magazine style show with serious day to day car reviews, topical issues and so forth - I'd watch it. No need to lose the supercars, but real issues and reviews of day to day cars with the odd bit of petrol head fantasy thrown in would be welcome.
Yet - hold on - that's Fifth Gear isn't it? So how does one move away from the gimmick the two programmes have become?
But as we are now in a black and white internet age, seems a growing number of folk cannot cope with any concept of humour, nuance etc
Is this the same sort of nuance the show used when Hammond said "Cars reflect national characteristics...a Mexican car's just going to be a lazy, ****less, flatulent oaf with a moustache, leaning against a fence asleep, looking at a cactus with a blanket with a hole in the middle on as a coat"
or when Clarkson used the term "Slope" to describe Asian people in Burma?
That sort of nuanced humour you mean?
Enjoyed it a lot, all three entertain me. And what a place.
I'd probably never ever visit, so nice to see some of the place on the telly program.
Didn't make the plate connection either.
Didn't even think about my brother in law at the bottom of the Atlantic.
The "slope" comment was so nuanced I wasn't aware it was an insult until the fuss kicked off, I'd never heard of the term used in that way. If it was deliberate, it was disgraceful.
The Mexican thing - I personally believe that it stayed just the right side of generalised stereotype used in a humourous way rather than being a racist insult. That's because I do not believe that Mexicans fit that old fashioned stereotype. For the same reason I don't get offended when people suggest I'm a six toed inbred idiot having been raised in the Fens, because I know that the stereotype is not true.
Education and a sense of humour allow me to put things in a wider context. I'd hate to think that The System blocks certain types of humour because some people are paranoid that stupid people may think a joke is a real truth and therefore potentially racist.
i feel bad now.....when i say hate, i mean i a way that i dont like riding in the rain, or eating well done steak, or standing in dog turds.
so more like dislike than hate........
Nahh ton, he's a loathesome boorish deeply unfunny cockwomble who should be strapped to a NASA SLS rocket so as to launch him into deep space for science and the sake of mankinds safety.
That rockets going to be full by the time the STW clear out gets done
Both the slope and Mexican things were completely unnacceptable.
The Mexican comments only seemed "okay" as there are very few Mexicans living in this country/Europe.
You just need to replace Mexican with Indian, ****stani, Chinese, etc., etc., to see why it's wrong.
It's offensive. That doesn't mean anyone was swooning with shock as the apologists like to argue, just that it's a nasty, hateful thing to say.
I concur with this. Most of me hopes the "butch cassidy" style ending was a subliminal end to a production of the program. I'd be all in favor though of a reinvention with new presenters (perhaps May could stay) of a motoring magazine style show with serious day to day car reviews, topical issues and so forth - I'd watch it. No need to lose the supercars, but real issues and reviews of day to day cars with the odd bit of petrol head fantasy thrown in would be welcome.
Terrible idea! Ratings would drop off a cliff, and the BBC would lose one of its biggest sources of income. It's an entertainment show with a huge audience, the vast majority of whom only have a passing interest in cars. A better idea would be a spin off consumer show, broadcast outside of primetime that the car geeks could record/watch on iPlayer. But clearly the BBC feel that there are enough other sources for that kind of information.
Suppose I have to agree with nealglover, maybe suspicions false the FKL plates probably put on by last owner who bought this Porsche as he couldn't find a Porsche 982 !. Think brant has it down,Guy in local town has BNW plates on his 5 series...... Now suitably chastened. I am fick and proud of it 🙂
maybe suspicions false the FKL plates probably put on by last owner who bought this Porsche
Been checked out, was originally registered as that. Unless you want to make up a new version of the truth.
Think I might have a little lie down....... 🙁
Suppose I have to agree with nealglover, maybe suspicions false the FKL plates probably put on by last owner who bought this Porsche as he couldn't find a Porsche 982
Just so it's clear, that's not "agreeing with nealglover" 😉
The FKL plate was issued to the car from new by the DVLA.
That's not my opinion. Is just true.
I have to say poor James may, the falling off the donkey onto his back must have really hurt. Reminded me of a smackdown in wwf but higher and without prior training.
I loved the Lotus and was happy they didnt butcher it too much. Its a shame they have to destroy the cars they use. Also felt for the poor 2cv.. it looked quite special.
Top Gear is getting a bit old and flabby now...
I watched it, but found it a bit tedious in places.
The country looked amazing though - I just think it would be so much better if they just respected the places they visited a bit more..
Its a shame they have to destroy the cars they use.
After the driving chopping them up would be the safest thing to do
Brilliant, loved it.
I'm not one of the professionally offended, so no complaints from me.
I enjoyed it and now want a Lotus Esprit to do a bit of off roading in 😀
I'm not one of the professionally offended
Did this lazy insult* first get suggested in "I dont mind a bit of casual racism as its only a joke" weekly?
* easier than defending the "humour" highlighted above re mexico or slope
Jeremy ClarksonVerified account ?@JeremyClarksonIn all seriousness, I would like to thank the people and government of Chile for their help and support when everything went wrong.
Amazed the media aren't foaming at the mouth about this one and it's potential reference....
I was offended by the fact that they covered up all the Lotus breakdowns.
brant - Member
It has been stated by BBC/Top Gear team that:-
Plates original
Car not bought for plate.My only conspiracy theory is around the fact that car could have been bought for any of the things they usually do to them and then, after it was bought, the plate was noted and a hilarious jape planned around it.
I found it suprising that cameras captured the moment the plate fell off.
ps: I thought it was a great travel programme.
How can we know the beebs statements are true? Like they'd own up to buying it for the plate, planned or not?
Can I have a travel programme based on reality?
Swindon Al?
You miss my point.
Again.
Something not based on a matey act between 3 men clearly doing it for the money with a huge production team behind them doing ridiculous unrealistic stuff.
Sounds a bit dull really, how about bear grylls hiding from the production crew? Or 2 blokes from STW making progress up the a9?
Edit
Take a look at the crew size for Evan mcgregor on his motorbike holidays
Don't they usually buy cars locally for this sort of adventure? The number plate and potential tip off to locals is as contrived as a lot of the other things that happen.
[b]IT IS A TV PROGRAM. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T WATCH IT.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT BUT DECIDE TO WATCH IT ANYWAY DON'T MOAN ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU DON'T LIKE IT.[/b]
Simple.
onehundredthidiot - MemberDon't they usually buy cars locally for this sort of adventure? The number plate and potential tip off to locals is as contrived as a lot of the other things that happen.
Nope, they ship EVERYTHING. Including all the stuff for the usual A-Team modification bits, for which most are already built and fabricated before they leave the UK.
But for STW threads I would not know it had been on
I thought that "professionally offended" was a fair somethingion, rather than a lazy insult.
I didn't defend the racist slope comment, I said I didn't know it was an insult until it made the news and I also said it was a disgrace if the comment was deliberately put in the show for that reason.
If someone used the Mexican comments about Indians, ****stanis or Chinese people it still wouldn't be racist, as I'm not aware that there was an outdated stereotype of these people behaving that way. Quite tbe opposite in fact. It would just show tbe ignorance of the person using the wrong stereotype for the wrong cultures.
If it would help the "professionally offended" I could always report my own post to the mods for being racist and we'll see if I get banned?
im alright with that, but IMO a snapped steering arm in the middle of nowhere means the car is dead. Hammond, get your arse in that 2cv-thing
oh, and Clarkson needs to chat to one of STWs great belly loss experts.
cant beat a good few beaver jokes eh?
Take a look at the crew size for Evan mcgregor on his motorbike holidays
Off the top of my head I reckon 1 camera man on a bike, another in a support truck along with a dr and 2 others. Plus they had a local fixer in most countries. Watched lwr again tecently while laid up with a ****ed knee. Great program. Would expect top gear to be much much more than this. I quite enjoyed the scenery of the first one and being a massive fan of westerns loved the Butch and Sundance bits. The arsing about pretending to be lost is very tiresome though. Didnt watch the second one.
In summary.
Some people don't like an entertainment show focused on banter and nuanced humour between 3 blokes, but rather than turn over, continue to watch and get angry, either for themselves or on behalf of others who they think they should be offended on behalf of.
nuanced humour
Seriously? What the actual ****? I'm lost for words. Please tell me thats not what you think.
For the same reason I don't get offended when people suggest I'm a six toed inbred idiot having been raised in the Fens, because I know that the stereotype is not true.Education and a sense of humour allow me to put things in a wider context.
Umm, no, lack of experience of racist discrimination allows you to see things as you do. You are playing the game with the level set on "Easy". If you faced this stereotyping every time you went for a job interview you might find your sense of humour a bit more strained.
Thank you, God.
Harry_the_Spider - Member
[b]IT IS A [s]TV PROGRAM[/s] [u]THEAD ON THE INTERNET[/u]. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T [s]WATCH[/s] [u]OPEN[/u] IT.IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT BUT DECIDE TO [s]WATCH[/s] [u]OPEN[/u] IT ANYWAY DON'T MOAN ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU DON'T LIKE IT.[/b]
FTFY, oh, and..."Simples".
In summary.Some people don't like an entertainment show focused on banter and nuanced humour between 3 blokes, but rather than turn over, continue to watch and get angry, either for themselves or on behalf of others who they think they should be offended on behalf of.
I don't think we've established whether the nuanced humour is nuanced or humour. To continually make such sloppy and unpleasant racial stereotypes time and time again would suggest that it's more than just 'having a bit of a joke'. None of them on Top Gear are stand up comics or comedy writers who will do a nostalgic look at Top Gear in 25 years time explaining that it was all ironic and they were actually taking the piss out of the sort of bigoted racists they were portraying. Each of them does it so well if it all is just a big act.
I'm just surprised and disappointed that the beeb think it's all so acceptable.
Thank you, [s]God[/s] Al.
For reminding me.
thought that "professionally offended" was a fair somethingion, rather than a lazy insult.
then your judgement is flawed
😕I didn't defend the racist slope comment, I said I didn't know it was an insult until it made the news and I also said it was a disgrace if the comment was deliberately put in the show for that reason.
I did not reply to you. How ironic that you are lecturing us on how you are bright
Can you think of another reason or how else the "joke" works? Did you read the judgement? they admitted that was why they did it bit said they did not knwo how racist it was. FWIW you are trying to defend Top gear as humour but then wont defend the humour
So I can say a Chinese person rather than a jew is money grabbing and it is not racist....have you really thought this through 😕If someone used the Mexican comments about Indians, ****stanis or Chinese people it still wouldn't be racist, as I'm not aware that there was an outdated stereotype of these people behaving that way
Is this some sort of exercise in defend the indefensible here?Quite tbe opposite in fact. It would just show tbe ignorance of the person using the wrong stereotype for the wrong cultures.
Its usually funnier than this but the logic is just as tortured and the arguments as well crafter
Just becaus ethe racist view is wrong it doe snto stop being racist
Black people smell of wee and are lazy is clearly wrong and inaccurate According to you its therefore not racist. What sort of thinking is this?
If it would help the "professionally offended" I could always report my own post to the mods for being racist and we'll see if I get banned?
Who has said you were racist ? What a daft comment. Clearly putting to bed the rumour that Top gear appeals to the thickies amongst us ...steady now dont get offended there its only a joke as a top gear presenter would say
I don't get offended when people suggest I'm a six toed inbred idiot having been raised in the Fens, because I know that the stereotype is not true.
you have five toes then I assume ....just a joke again so spring to my defence etc
That is top gear in a nutshell some think its ok to be rude and simplistic about other people and cultures and some think its lazy and racist.
No one seems to deny they do it only whether it is funny or offensive
That is [b][s]top gear [/s]life [/b]in a nutshell some think its ok to be rude and simplistic about other people and cultures and some think its lazy and racist.
No one seems to deny they do it only whether it is funny or offensive
That is top gear in a nutshell some think its ok to be rude and simplistic about other people and cultures and some think its lazy and racist.
No one seems to deny they do it only whether it is funny or offensive
I'm not sure how it is any worse than jokes about Scousers, Northerners, Scottish people, Irish people, the French, the Germans etc etc. I'm not saying I agree it is the way to behave (it's not my typeof humour) but every group in the World has endemic jokes about other cultures and most people treat them in the way in which they are intended. They rarely cause offence, except to those looking to be offended.
I don't see TG to be any worse in this sense than your average episode of Fawlty Towers or that Mrs Brown rubbish, or most British comedy shows for that matter**. Maybe it is old fashioned humour, but it is still very prevalent and popular.
** Also see Speedy Gonzalez cartoons.
Bloody hell you lot...
Get out on your bike more 😆
That is top gear in a nutshell some think its ok to be rude and simplistic about other people and cultures and some think its lazy and racist.
Exactly.
It all boils down to intent and context. If they [u]deliberately[/u] used the word "slope" because it is a racist term, that is offensive, like using the n-word.
If they have used an outdated racial stereotype about the Mexicans at an attempt at humour, then you either find it funny or not. I find it hard to believe that anyone was so convinced that those comments were intended to be offensive that they kicked off about it the way they did.
Anyway, the argument is getting circular. I need to go and get some food in.
*high sixes junkyard on the way out*
*high sixes junkyard on the way out*
Nice Norfolk reference to bring it back on topic there!
What makes a racial stereotype "outdated". Doesn't the "n" word refer to slavery? Is that outdated? If I refer to an Indian as Gunga Din, or chai wallah or whatever, is that OK too? Really - why are you tying yourself in knots trying to defend these idiots?
DrJ. Well done.
Pretty much the opposite of what he said.
DrJ. Well done.Pretty much the opposite of what he said.
Maybe its me, because the nuances of this discussion are lost on me too. Racial stereotypes are racist surely.
Racial stereotypes are racist surely.
it's not racist as it's nuanced humour 🙄
theres more quotes than anything else
we owe al at least five pages no?
ftfysimples
Eeny, meeny, miny, moe... Nuanced?
Be fair the professional tv presenter tried so hard to avoid saying it that he inadvertently said it. Despite the repeated incidents he, and the show, are really really not racist. Who amongst us is not in trouble yearly at work for a clumsy racial faux pas?
Pretty much the opposite of what he said.
Like the others your point is lost on me
Harry_the_Spider - Member
Thank you, [s]God[/s] Al.
For reminding me.
Thank you [s]God[/s] Harry
For continuing to let it go over your head.
[b][u]DO YOU GET IT YET?[/u][/b]
Wonder what happend to the cars they left behind?
How many pages by the time it's shown on DAVE?
I tell you what - I'd rather end up in a pub having a pint with Hammond, May and Clarkson, than most of the miserable buggers on here
That include me TAFKASTR?
As per usual the same names crop up with the same tired sentances about Top Gear being racist, homophobic , zenophobic etc, like proffesional politically corrected management types.Its NOT its like people i work for every day, i meet when out that talk like that have a laugh and accept the banter back, and if they do go to far, apologise profuesly and learn from their mistakes..
When you consider all the work that must be put in to create such a large budget programe, and the amount of travel, hotels, and equipment along with vehicles that ned to be bought and transported to a foreign country populated by foreigners, surely somewhere down the line those foreigners would say we dont like that or we do like that and ask /demand changes, we will never know, whgat we do know is a lot of excellent filming editing and preperation goes into each episode, and yet the few find one or two seemingly racist terms to themselves anoying and worthy of complaint on a cycling forum instead of the BBC, or Ofcom etc.
If you dont like TG, dont watch to look for some child like japes, we would all love to be part of, no one gets hurt, and a lot get enjoyment from.
[b]cynic-al - Member[/b]That include me TAFKASTR?
Most definitely not Al - I'd have a pint with you any time
If it is just professionally offended PC types why is Clarkson on his last warning? There is considerable difference between banter between friends and being the butt of the loudmouth racists/homophobes jokes/rants/bullying.
whgat we do know is a lot of excellent filming editing and preparation goes into each episode
and despite this they still keep using racist language
Nice defence
If you dont like TG, dont watch
I dont watch it this is a thread on it.
apologise profuesly and learn from their mistakes
In what world has Top Gear or Clarkson done this? As credible as the nuanced humour argument
so without watching TG, you now believe its full of non PC language.
and that clarkson is on his final warning, when the programe is totally scripted and the foremat decided by the producer and editor and director, its not live so can easily be edited which it is very well done.
Just perhaps saying clarkson is on his final warning will make peeps look at the programe and think whats that all about,always seems to happen just before a new series
without watching TG, you now believe its full of non PC language.
yes and without going to the north pole i think its cold and without beating my wife I think its wrong
Even you think that its just you just dont care/ term it banter. Everyone agrees on that we only disagree on whether it is ok or not. FWIW i called him a racist as that is what he is or a person who uses racial words and racit stereotypes...though i may just be missing the nuanced humour of it all.
as for the warning you could google how often he has said and see if he says it every series. You are clutching at straws somewhat with that point.
You seem to be arguing its not possible to think its not PC without watching it and also arguing the BBC publicise it as not PC in order to get folk to watch it.
Youtube car stuff is so much better than Top Gear these days- The episodes of Roadkill with the General Mayhem 😀
Without the "controversy" it was another incredibly predictable rehash of a long tired formula. I was wondering what the odds of him choosing that car accidentally would be, then I saw this on facebook
[url= http://www.cityam.com/1412417770/jeremy-clarkson-falklands-number-plate-fiasco-how-likely-it-registration-was-accident ]h982 fkl[/url]
I don't actually agree with their method there, but they've also just assumed it was set in stone that Clarkson would choose a Porsche 928, out of the many thousands of V8 cars he could have chosen. Absolutely no way the entire production crew missed that. As you've now seen the support team is enormous, but that's just the tip of the ice berg. There will have been double or triple that number of people involved in the production before the shoot.
Would like to see a behind scenes program of a TG special - didn't expect there to be as much gear/vehicles as was shown in the snippets last night
Pretty much the opposite of what he said.
Like the others your point is lost on me
Morecashthandash specifically said using the N word or Slope was not acceptable.
DrJ then replied as though he had said that using them was ok. And was defending their use.
ie: exactly the opposite of what morecashthandash said.
Morecashthandash specifically said using the N word or Slope was not acceptable.DrJ then replied as though he had said that using them was ok. And was defending their use.
ie: exactly the opposite of what morecashthandash said.
Well done, nealglover.
Pretty much the opposite of what I said.
I said that if MCTD could defend using a sterotype of Mexicans because it is outdated, then logically he must defend an outdated stereotype of black people and consider it ok to use the "n" word, which he specifically did not. In other words his position, such as it is, is not consistent.
I was wondering what the odds of him choosing that car accidentally would be, then I saw this on facebook
whatever number plate he got the odds are roughly that - ie very long indeed as it is with your number plate and mine- ie all number plates - 1 or there abouts. It does not show they knew or did it on purpose. They may have been unlucky but it is hard to be sure as it seems unlikely they would go there and not mention the Falklands,
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The N word is offensive because of it's historical connection with slavery, "slope" is offensive because of it's historical use. There are genuine reasons why those terms are offensive.
Calling all Mexicans lazy, or all Scots people fat, or all Scousers work shy, or all Irish people thick, or Welsh people sheep botherers, those are (inaccurate) but commonly used stereotypes used for humorous effect, and have been for decades. The INTENT in their use is for fun, not to offend.
Extending my argument and twisting it to say that the N word must therefore also be OK is what someone on here recently termed "exaggerative whataboutery" - an extreme and completely false attempt to twist the debate into something it is not purely to score imaginery points in the forum game.
I'm glad some on here understood the point I was trying to make, I was wondering if I was completely thick or had lost the use of the English language.
Now I'm off to bed, I suspect I'll have a busy day of being taken out of context ahead of me tomorrow. 🙄
Well said More cash, and pity yopu deleted your post Kryton.
(inaccurate) but commonly used stereotypes used for humorous effect, and have been for decades. The INTENT in their use is for fun, not to offend.
Big assumption and utter bollocks yes the irish are thick and scousers lazy is just "banter" and humour 😕 they piss themselves laughing everytime it is sad to them and every single person who does this is having a laugh.
People dont call a race fat lazy or stupid for humour anymore than they say jews are avaricious or blacks stupid for a laugh.
I'm glad some on here understood the point I was trying to make
Unfortunately you failed to make the point you tried to and DrJ was correct about your argument being inconsistent .
TBH its barking and makes no sense at all.It's ok to be racist as long as the racism is inaccurate ??? what sort of racism is accurate? Seriously what racism is accurate - it makes no sense to say this.
Your argument is gibberish and DrJ explained why.
Calling all Mexicans lazy, or all Scots people fat, or all Scousers work shy, or all Irish people thick, or Welsh people sheep botherers, those are (inaccurate) but commonly used stereotypes used for humorous effect, and have been for decades. The INTENT in their use is for fun, not to offend.
I would be offended if you called me a sheep shagger.
Wonder what happend to the cars they left behind?
They were moved into storage in an Argentine customs building.