Dunno if it's been done in the past, just seen it on faceache and thought there would be some interesting views on who was to blame. Copper was lucky he didn't get skittled though 😨
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i'll bite, its friday afternoon.
1st bike was speeding ticket
2nd, probably speeding plus driving without due care and attention...
I’m going for:
“Man on motorbike causes crash”
Whether they were above the speed limit or not, he was too fast for the conditions (visibility) and too close behind (or he’d have stopped).
I’d say the copper stepping out like that might not be best practice, but then the lead bike stopped easily.
or to put it better motorcyclist fails to ride to the conditions while exceeding the speed limit and mate behind also doing the same fails to stop before coming close to injuring police officer.
Ban and crush the bike.
2nd bike had 85mph on it's speedo.
"Speeding motorbike rider leaving insufficient space to vehicle in front causes crash"
Not necessarily a great idea from plod but the guy on the 2nd bike (which looked like it might be an SV650) had plenty of time to stop if he was paying attention and actually knew how to work his brakes.
For some reasons everyone I know who owned an SV650 had about that same level of bike control - one guy I know wrote off 3 or 4 of them in a few months, all in incidents he caused.
Hadn't noticed the Speedo. 85 in quite thick fog, excellent work! However is it me or his rate of deceleration absolutely shit? I'd expect a bike to stop far quicker than that?
2nd bike had 85mph on it’s speedo.
I stopped before the self incriminating part was shown, what a genius
2nd bike only brakes in the last 2 seconds of the video - watch for the dive from the backward facing cam of the lead bike.
Hang on hang on. Motorcyclists? Speeding? When was this ??
Nah, must be fake. Never heard of such a thing.
Riding too fast and too close for the conditions.
Suck it up daisy chainers.
jumped on the back brake.
Catching someone speeding and then walking into their path doesn't seem like a particularly smart move to be honest, but the second bike royally screwed that up.
Catching someone speeding and then walking into their path doesn’t seem like a particularly smart move to be honest,
So you have never been pulled over for speeding? You sure there is anyone to blame apart from the 2 guys on the bikes?
Nope.
I work in safety, and if someone is speeding and has failed to notice the speed check, do you think that walking into their path is a wise move?
As far as I was aware most police forces ping you with the radar gun in one location and then have another vehicle a bit further up the road to process those they catch, but then the police force has been cut fairly heavily.
Catching someone speeding and then walking into their path doesn’t seem like a particularly smart move to be honest
+1 The crash was 100% caused by the extremely stupid and reckless policeman stepping out in front of the motorcycles. You can be sure that he wouldn't have attempted a stunt like that with a 50 ton hgv rather than a motorcycle.
The crash was 100% caused by the extremely stupid and reckless policeman stepping out
Lucky it wasn't a baby robin really.
The crash was 100% caused by the extremely stupid and reckless policeman stepping out in front of the motorcycles
If you can't stop in time to avoid a stopped vehicle in front of you, you are too close, and as the footage shows (speedo reading 85 in fog) motorbike #2 was also travelling far too quickly, especially given the poor visibility.
*gets the biscuits back out *
Yeah, but if it was a deer or childs face not in high vis?
They all had time to stop if they were riding for the conditions.
Funny that the video title is
"How to not stop a motorcycle"
Cos he did that just fine 😀
[i]if they were riding for the conditions.[/i]
..he wouldn't have had the need stop em.. chicken n egg innit.
All three were in the wrong. The two bikers were riding at inappropriate speeds for the conditions and one of them was way too close to the other. The police officer has a duty of care to all civilians, even when they are doing stupid things. It was obvious that the actions of the Police officer failed to take into account that duty of care.
Lock ‘em all up, together
Rachel
The crash was 100% caused by the extremely stupid and reckless policeman stepping out
Let me see how that goes if you run in the back of somebody
The policeman didn't step into the path of the bikes, he stepped into the road but if the bike(s) had continued then he would not have been hit. Stop the video at the 19 or 20 second mark which shows the view from the second bike. The policeman isn't in the path of the bikes.
Lock ‘em all up, together
The youtube comments indicate it was staged for a show/public information warning.
If so then the second rider was impressively bad.
They all had time to stop if they were riding for the conditions.
I'm not disputing that, in fact I'd say that the second bike had time to stop/avoid to the right of the stopped bike and still just remain in his lane.
But, if I were that police force and my protocol for speeding stops included 'walking onto the carriageway in front of a speeding vehicle to stop them for processing' I'd be reviewing it with a view to not placing my officers at needless risk.
Speed/seatbelt/mobile phone check and then processing further up the road is what I'd be recommending (indeed, it's what my local force does)
it was staged..
that's what I said!
Let me see how that goes if you run in the back of somebody
I didn't say that the second rider wasn't at fault. I said that the entire incident was caused by the policeman deliberately stepping out in to the road with the intention of causing an accident.
What allthegear said above in fact.
Edit. I see that it was in fact a staged stunt.
Do we know they were actually exceeding the speed limit with it being in the IoM?
+1 The crash was 100% caused by the extremely stupid and reckless policeman stepping out in front of the motorcycles.
You could argue this back and forwards all day long. There wouldn't be any opportunity for an accident if no one had been riding a motorbike. Of course, just the act of riding it doesn't put you at fault. But because it's an inherently dangerous activity, and you're not only responsible for your own safety but that of others too, there are rules and guidance to adhere to. The ones that come to mind here are, the speed limit, maintaining an appropriate stopping distance from the vehicle in front, and adjusting speed to the conditions of the road.
I'm fairly certain the accident would not have happened if the rider hadn't neglected all of the above.
Those rules are there because unexpected stuff does happen. And when it does you should be in a position to react to it. That's your responsibility to ensure you can do that.
Hang on hang on. Motorcyclists? Speeding? When was this ??
Nah, must be fake. Never heard of such a thing.
LOLS.
Anyhoos - I saw this video a couple of weeks ago on a 'crap driving' Facebook page and a great many people were defending the idiot bikers. Probably the same scrotes that hate all cyclists because we don't pay road tax.
I said that the entire incident was caused by the policeman deliberately stepping out in to the road with the intention of causing an accident.
Quality, I'd like you on my team if I ever need to go to court on one of these!!
If you were to list the problems...
Speeding
Not paying attention
Not looking
Failing to stop (because of a lack of observation)
Given the policeman was visible, not in the path of the bikes and the first one stopped (which could have happened to anyone on the road) the guy behind is 100% responsible for his actions. If it was staged then it should show that.
it was staged..
That was my thought right away. From the camera work/quality to the dodgy music. And then the view from the following bike plainly shows a video camera on a tripod.
Who was in on the staging if it was staged, the 2nd biker could easily have seriously hurt his leg.
Boy on the SV650 (the red one) was both going too fast, and made an absolute arse of his stop/evasion. But I do agree the policeman shouldn't have stepped in front like that, and that he wouldn't have done it for a truck or something else that'd squish him dead.
It wasn't staged! One twit on youtube makes the comment and it becomes fact 😆 Brilliant.
Clip is 2 years old anyway!
DezB: It wasn’t staged!
it was staged..
DezB: that’s what I said!
Well which is it DezB? eh! eh?
he wouldn’t have done it for a truck
But the truck wouldn't have been travelling at that speed in the first place – and anyway the policeman stepped out knowing the biker could stop easily (he wouldn't have stepped out on a truck even if it had managed to get to that speed on that road as he'd know it couldn't stop). Unfortunately (and not to blame the policeman) the biker on the second bike was a tit of the highest order.
Is it 1989 again?
If it wasn't staged (although it looks like it might have been given the cameras) then surely the 2nd guy should have just ridden round them both as it was the first guy who was clocked and was getting stopped - not him?
That road looks very like some bits of the mountain course on the TT circuit - and I've legally done 150mph along there on a motorbike (although not in the fog and not where there was traffic). No idea if it is there or not though, as there are also UK roads that look similar!
Entirely the fault of the second rider.
Instead of stamping on the panic pedal and trying to slow down like a massive Jessie, he should have passed on the right where there was plenty of room and caned it off into the distance.
Question of fault aside, I'm not sure you can say the policeman could know the bikes could stop in time as that clearly wasn't the case.
What would have happened if the first rider had panicked and decked it or slipped on an unnoticed hazard and hit him? He has a duty if care for his own safety and members of the public, I would also say he failed spectacularly.
From a risk management perspective that was utter stupidity on the part of the policeman, if you did something similar in an industrial environment you would get a serious bollocking at best or put off site and I've seen both of those happen for far less.
Maybe the police should go out in there cars and drive along in front of traffic along motorways and then every so often slam on their brakes. That would teach all those people who are driving too close behind each other a lesson and they would only have themselves to blame.
based on certain posts in the horse vs triathlete thread.
"surely copper shouldn't be there in the first place"
"surely lead motor bike shouldn't have been there"
"surely if no one was even there it wouldn't have happened"
The policeman was the 100% the cause of the crash. end of.
the bikers were obviously crap, but traffic cops should know better and that could have evolved in to a multi car pile up in the fog without much imagination.
copper was a dicke.
The longer film is called 'Stuarts Grand Day Out'
Glad to see everyone getting worked up over an entirely fictitious event!
Glad to see everyone getting worked up over an entirely fictitious event!
Unless its all CGI, I’m pretty sure it’s not fictitious, even if it was staged.
Stuart Peters gets it horribly wrong on a borrowed motorbike whilst filming a road safety scene for a TT Circuit Guide programme. After 30+ years driving cars, he briefly forgot that an emergency stop on a bike involves using FRONT brake too! Luckily, nothing seriously hurt but pride...and his bank balance!
Again, read the comments. This happened around 2002. An illegal edit of the crash part of this is going viral and being used to knock the cops. They were actors on a film shoot here and not in ANY way to blame for my poor riding!
No - in fairness it was ENTIRELY my fault - the cops were kindly just helping out in a sequence for the video I was making.
Cheers amplebrew.
So to clarify for the hard of reading - the stop was staged but the crash wasn't. The second rider took full responsibility for the incident.
Stuart Peters gets it horribly wrong on a borrowed motorbike whilst filming a road safety scene for a TT Circuit Guide programme. After 30+ years driving cars, he briefly forgot that an emergency stop on a bike involves using FRONT brake too! Luckily, nothing seriously hurt but pride…and his bank balance!
Again, read the comments. This happened around 2002. An illegal edit of the crash part of this is going viral and being used to knock the cops. They were actors on a film shoot here and not in ANY way to blame for my poor riding!
No – in fairness it was ENTIRELY my fault – the cops were kindly just helping out in a sequence for the video I was making.
Cheers amplebrew.
So to clarify for the hard of reading – the stop was staged but the crash wasn’t. The second rider took full responsibility for the incident.
That's cool, although I have sort or ruined the thread 🙂
I blame these guys
It’s obviously a left hand drive motor bike so Speedo is in kmh