[Closed] Plane crash in the alps

@geetee1972 Probably not a good idea to post access info for secure areas on a public forum, regardless of the source (who clearly isn't an A320 pilot anyway).

I'd better not post the manufacturer's master override code then....

and if the live feed stops/breaks/interrupted by weather?

I'd better not post the manufacturer's master override code then.

This was on The Today Programme this morning

Not in that level of detail, it wasn't.

Looking at the sequence of events now it very strongly points to suicide.

The first pilot leaves the cockpit, moments later the plane enters a controlled descent. The descent profile is such that the pilot at the controls would have had to be in control to deploy the spoilers etc to ensure the rate of descent was controlled. First pilot then tries to re-enter the cockpit but is locked out. Banging and noises can be heard which indicates no loss of cabin pressure so points that the crew would not have been incapacitated.

@geetee1972 Probably not a good idea to post access info for secure areas on a public forum, regardless of the source (who clearly isn't an A320 pilot anyway).

Source:

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32062996 ]BBC report on how the doors work on a plane[/url]

Clearly nothing confidential in my post.

As for my wife 'clearly not being an A320 pilot', er, yes. She really is. Well I think she is. I mean, she gets up every morning to go to work and wears a pilot's uniform but I guess she could be living a lie.

No, hang on, I just remembered. I proposed to her on the flight deck. The capatain left for a moment (we were on the ground) and I'm sure he would have said something if she wasn't really a pilot.

Except that was back in 2006 and she was flying the 737 at the time. You know what, those two whole months last December and January she wasn't here because she was on a conversion course for the A320.....maybe she was having an affair. Or maybe she was abducted by aliens! She might even be working for MI5 (no hang on that was what I wanted to do. I'm getting really confused now).

Oh I give up. If anyone can tell me what my wife does for a living I'd be really grateful.

damn you and your access to first hand knowledge geetee1972 😉

Oh I give up. If anyone can tell me what my wife does for a living I'd be really grateful.

You're clearly not really married.

Yeah sorry for also being so sarcastic - <offers to shake flapperon's hand>

Sorry geetee, assumed it was a copy and paste from one of the flight sim pilots on Pprune.

Ooo, it's all kicking off now...

If it's true about the lock out, that is bloody awful. It's bad enough anyway but Christ alight and this would not be the first time by a long chalk. That's all.

If anyone can tell me what my wife does for a living I'd be really grateful.

Just as an aside, and not to make light of this terrible situation, but I really did propose on the flight deck. It was the last time I was every in the command seat.

Honestly I just wanted to share that because I'm really proud of what my wife has achieved and ever time she goes up I barely even think about the risks because they are so utterly negligable. But when something like this happens, for one moment you just end up thinking, what if.

Love you honey!

Probably not a good idea to post access info for secure areas on a public forum

AIUI (all second hand info from internet experts, so y'know, pinch/bucket of salt)
-The door can be set to open, normal,or lock.
-Unlock means no code has to be entered to open the door
-Normal means a keycode has to be entered and then the door unlocks.
-Locked means that if the correct code is entered the lock beeps/flashes/gives some other alert that someone is trying to get in. The person inside the cockpit then has a set amount of time to reject the attempt. If the attempt is not rejected (e.g. because the person in the cockpit is unconscious) then the door opens. If the attempt is rejected then the door cannot be opened (or attempted to be opened) from the outside for a few minutes. This is there so that if a hijacker has a member of the crew hostage they can't gain access to the flight deck by forcing someone to enter the code.

[i]IANAP, IANA pilot's husband, the above could all be lies, don't trust a word of it, etc etc[/i]

It was the last time I was every in the command seat

Euphemism alert... 😀

and ever time she goes up

Such rich pickings... I'll leave the opposite of that alone... 😛

Knock yourself out Bolbo - I'll see the funny side 😀

Just spotted the latest details on the news and although the curiosity in me likes getting this information as soon as possible I am wondering if they shouldnt have released it without knowing all the facts as it could point towards a lot of distress going on for the passengers which will not do the feelings of the families much good.

Without all the information retrieved yet no one can draw conclusions, the previous thought that it was another decompression is just a hypothesis, could be wrong, probably is wrong but that was an early hypothesis based on initial info. Now small snippets of important and potentially confusing information are coming in it can cause a lot of jumping to conclusions and a lot of distress for the families.

eg claims of suicide.

It could still be a case of decompression as we don't have the timeline of events.

illness/pilot slumped on controls unlikely as no course deviation?

Some sort of malfunction?

etc etc. So I am in the "going to wait for more information" camp now.

I know, I'm sorry. It is your Mrs after all but I just couldn't resist the double entendre.

[i]French Prosecutor: Co-pilot, alone at helm of Germanwings, began descent manually, 'intentionally'[/i]

I am wondering if they shouldnt have released it without knowing all the facts

They didn't, this has been 'leaked'. Many of the reports on the BBC start by acknowledging the seriousness of that leak:

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32062994 ]Former Director of Cranfield Aviation Safety Centre[/url]

Mass murder

The co-pilot of the Germanwings flight that crashed into the French Alps wanted to "destroy the plane", French investigators have said.
French prosecutors, citing information from the cockpit voice recorder said the co-pilot took sole control of plane and intentionally started its descent.
The pilot had just left the cockpit and was locked out.
Neither of the names of the pilot or co-pilot have been released.
The co-pilot was alive until the final impact, the prosecutors added.
The Airbus 320 from Barcelona to Duesseldorf hit a mountain on Tuesday after a rapid eight-minute descent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587

So so sad. ALl those people who also had to die. I know suicide is a cry for help but to take so many others with you....

[quote=geetee1972 ]If anyone can tell me what my wife does for a living I'd be really grateful.

I would, but her pimp would kill me.

Oh boy.

Just back from a ride and checked the news.

Speechless.

Apologies if it's been posted already, but here's a more detailed video on the door unlock/lock procedure on the airbus:

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/mar/26/airbus-safety-video-shows-cockpit-door-entry-procedure-germanwings-crash?CMP=twt_gu ]Link[/url]

she gets up every morning to go to work and wears a pilot's uniform

Sorry couldn't resist it. Feels a bit inappropriate making jokes given the current press conference, prosecuter saying co-pilot crashed plane deliberately having locked pilot out of the cockpit. Co-pilot alive till point on impact.

Again perhaps inappropriately this could have a big impact on the insurers with major claims against the airline

EDIT from the Guardian, co-pilot named, he was 28

[i]Co-pilot is named as Andreas Lubitz by prosecutor.[/i]

I know suicide is a cry for help

Suicide doesn't involve murdering 150 other people

Confirmed Andreas Lubitz deliberately crashed the plane (BBC news live press conference).

They didn't, this has been 'leaked'. Many of the reports on the BBC start by acknowledging the seriousness of that leak:

BBC Page I was reading didn't mention it was a leak, just this:

One of the two pilots of the Germanwings plane that crashed in the French Alps was locked out of the cockpit, according to reports.
Early findings from the cockpit voice recorder suggest the pilot made desperate efforts to get back in, sources close to the investigation say.

It seems the 'suicide pilot' has now been named on BBC twitter. Also claim the French are saying that passengers didn't know what was going on until the last minute.

I have to admit I have concerns over a French investigation of a crash involving an Airbus. I am sure the investigation will be thorough and they will throw everything into it but some of the decisions on action/blame/recommendations afterwards can sometimes be best described as "odd" and when they get their justice system involved it just adds delays and complications.

If the Malaysian flight is eventually found to be deliberate action by a pilot and then this we may start to see some changes in the control of aircraft as well as cars.

Suicide has to be one of the worst scenarios for the families to come tot terms with.

Desperately sad, but thankfully extremely rare. I can't see the need to change things; maybe a cc member on the flight deck when a pilot leaves it for any reason?

Just bloody awful.

Desperately sad, but thankfully extremely rare. I can't see the need to change things; maybe a cc member on the flight deck when a pilot leaves it for any reason?

Just bloody awful.

agreed. Just waiting for knee jerk reactions.

and +1 to the last bit.

Hard to compute. Really is.

So despite other suspected and confirmed pilot suicides since 9/11 and locked cockpits no international requirement for there always to be 2 people on the flight deck has been implemented. Some airlines have independently introduced the policy so what excuse have those not implementing it got?

Just thinking back to the old days when they had a flight engineer on the flight deck. At least it would help prevent this kind of situation but the role is not needed any more.

Although thoughts go back to Fedex 705 when al 3 crew members were very badly injured by an employee along for the ride wanting to crash the plane.

Some airlines have independently introduced the policy so what excuse have those not implementing it got?

Customers dont want to pay extra for someone sitting around doing nothing when they could be walking the plane giving them free small cans of pop?

sharkbait - Member

Bollocks... it's a cowards way out

**** off.

My god that's awful

Reminded of [url= http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990 ]Egypt Air 990[/url].

Andyl

Yes the FE was an excellent flight safety and CRM element. Just they all stink of wee now sadly.

I do hope knee jerk responses are avoided over this. Aviation is one of the most regulated and supervised industries in the world.

Hard to compute. Really is.

I really hope the co-pilot isn't being branded a mass murderer before all the facts are know.

I really hope the co-pilot isn't being branded a mass murderer before all the facts are know

This ^

would be horrible to find there was a mistake or deliberate deception by the other pilot but the guys family had been hounded by the press. eg somehow incapacitated the co-pilot to implicate him. They said there was no word from the co pilot for the last 10 minutes but were adamant he was alive. But I am sure there is a lot of details not released on which they are basing these claims...or I hope.

Ya, BBC now [b]confirms the co-pilok is a mass murderer [/b]who murdered the people in the entire plane.

The co-pilok is a mass murderer. He is.