Scotch Eggsit.
Delicious eggsits...
It's times like this I am torn between caring and giving a shit (on the one hand) and feeling happy that I now live in Sweden.
Y'all are certainly living in interesting times.
Either way it’s time for a Scottish exit.
Because the one and only obvious takeaway from all of this is that "exit" is a good thing and will work out exactly as promised?
I'd hope May will win the no confidence vote this evening but regrettably I can't see that happening, too many small interest groups who think this is the route to Norway/hard brexit/referndum/remain to support her and a lot of folks who will think backing May now is tantamount to signing off on Mayway mk ii without seeing it, what ever that then looks like (mk i with a nice dress at a guess).
Bojo et al would be happy to be in the driving seat now, instant hard brexit, May's fault for 24 months of negotiations to come back with something unacceptable and leaving no time for further negotiations.
It won't end well.
Because we don't want to be dragged down along with our neighbours?
How does Independent Scotland avoid hard borders with a non-EU UK?
Because we don’t want to be dragged down along with our neighbours?
Would that it weren't the case but i think that ship has long since sailed.
How does Independent Scotland avoid hard borders with a non-EU UK?
Well that's easy, independent Scotland won't be in the EU either.
How does Independent Scotland avoid hard borders with a non-EU UK?
Cos there's no GFA mandating it. The problem with Ireland isn't the hard border itself, it's that the only solution to the unionist/republican issue was to keep both borders open, hence the problems.
iScotland will be in the EU. No problem at all. Even the spanish government say in the light of brexit iScotland would be welcome.
If may wins she can not be challenged again for a year. If Labour then win a vote of no confidence in the government that could make things interesting.
If may wins she can not be challenged again for a year. If Labour then win a vote of no confidence in the government that could make things interesting.
Pretty sure she'd resign under those circumstances
If may wins she can not be challenged again for a year.
Which is another reason i think she'll struggle tonight. I think there are a majority of Tory MPs who couldn't countenance another year under May that wouldn't have put in a letter yet but probably had it written already.
These dim witted half witts are playing games with mine and my childrens future, and yours.Putin is getting his way, destabilising the UK and the EU. Mark my words, he will be marching into the Ukraine in the next few months and no-one will bat an eyelid.
You think we'd have the troops on standby to stop Russia if there had never been a Brexit vote?
iScotland will be in the EU. No problem at all. Even the spanish government say in the light of brexit iScotland would be welcome.
Assuming all entry criteria are met and the members vote to allow it
The woman is a monster. At least a few people have made an attempt to get rid of her.
The questions are, what took the few so long, and what planet are all the other ones living on?
do we get to find out who sent the letters in ? it's also very odd the chancellor is never listed in any "runners and riders" lists (not that i've checked them all) He's also conspicuous by his absence.
I think the vote won't be directly be about Brexit. It will be about which leader will protect the future of the Tory party.
The questions are, what took the few so long, and what planet are all the other ones living on?
She's been a patsy.
Before i drag this further from its rails, have we got a live iScotland thread?
Brexit, Trump, Mogg is the logical progression,bring on the dark ages. 🙁
I think May will win and limp on further wounded. Then lose the deal vote, then win a vote of confidence in the commons leading to paralysis and a lame duck leader.
Mogg is the logical progression,bring on the dark ages.
then win a vote of confidence in the commons
That would be worth all this for the look on Corbyn's face alone.
Assuming all entry criteria are met and the members vote to allow it
This, plus I'm pretty sure new members have to sign up to the Euro. [1] Would Scotland want to be tied to a 'strong' currency like the Euro? Surely the Euro in Scotland would end up with the kind of mess Spain are in?
[1] Eventually. It seems to be another strict requirement that is ignored in practice.
We’re not talking about Scotland, this is a thread about replacing/potential replacement of a Prime Minister of the UK.
That, so you’re all aware includes Scotland.
My predictions for Timmy Mallett are looking more favourable as the clocks counts down.
The one thing you could never describe this whole period of politics as is 'boring'. I think future Historians will have to describe it as 'The Brexit Games' or 'That time a little island in the North Atlantic went insane for a couple of years'...
Personally I reckon the Tories should just go for BoJo. they know the swivel-eyed minority would love it, everyone else who's now more or less disengaged from politics (as it's become the preserve of shouty totalitarians) would at least have a bit of entertainment from it all as we sprial into the abyss. Plus BoJo would definately get along with Trump...
Moggy will probably score himself a stint as Chencellor, of a soon to be de-regulated economy, in order to line his and his mates pockets...
I'm so glad Dave decided to answer the "European issue" once and for all and unite the Tories. Sterling work...
I expect it'll either be Raab C Nesbitt or someone we've never heard of and didn't see coming.
Personally I'd like to see Cameron dragged back out of his holiday home to take some responsibility for the disaster he's wrought on us.
I wonder if she's ordered her Christmas Turkey yet?
Personally I’d like to see Cameron dragged back out of his holiday home to take some responsibility for the disaster he’s wrought on us.
He's still down the bottom of his garden.
the royals can't bang the squirrels sprogs out fast enough.
Given this mornings other news: Sir Dave Brailsford.
Incidentally, I partially blame Ed Milliband, if he hadnt stabbed is brother in the back I don't think we'd be in this mess now.
I partially blame Ed Milliband
I don't think that's going back far enough. I blame Kaiser Wilhelm. Or Napoleon
The woman is a monster. At least a few people have made an attempt to get rid of her.
The questions are, what took the few so long, and what planet are all the other ones living on?
I don't see her that way, awkward and a bit robotic yes and of course a Tory, but she's been given an impossible task to complete on a scale not seen in peace time before.
TBH, her deal did seem at least to be 'least worse' but problematic, the got into bed with the DUP to stay in government, which was a least 'less bad' than Trotters Up calling a referendum to stop a UKIP revolution which was never going to come.
Truthfully we'll never know what she's really like as PM, because her short reign will be a single issue one, but at the moment, as much as it pains me, I'd vote for her before a Momentum based Labour, but at the moment I'd throw my lot in with the Lib Dems.
Her total lack of empathy and real world experience led to the windrush scandal - and other utter messes from her time. There are deaths on her hands. Preventable deaths of UK citizens.
Monster might be pushing it - but callous is not.
Incidentally, I partially blame Ed Milliband, if he hadnt stabbed is brother in the back I don’t think we’d be in this mess now.
To be fair he wasn't expecting to win. I'll never forget the look of shock on his face when he won. Labour haven't had a leader who wanted the job since Brown. (And he *really* wanted the job.)
Then there's Milliband's Leadership Rule changes that lead directly to a Brexiteer leading the Labour party.
Significant unintended consequences. 🙁
I don’t think that’s going back far enough. I blame Kaiser Wilhelm. Or Napoleon
Nice. 😀
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I partially blame Ed Milliband
I don’t think that’s going back far enough. I blame Kaiser Wilhelm. Or Napoleon
Really? - it's not too much of a leap of imgination to think that if Labour had a different leader they would have won the 2015 election.
edit. I was assuming you were joking, but am now not so sure?! [confused emoji]
Significant unintended consequences. 🙁
Indeed
Truthfully we’ll never know what she’s really like as PM, because her short reign will be a single issue one, but at the moment, as much as it pains me, I’d vote for her before a Momentum based Labour,
As it happens I think she'd have been a crap PM, but agree we'll never really know because of the hand of cards she picked up. And, yeah, as a near lifetime non-voter I'll be breaking the habit and voting exclusively to stop Momentum in the next election.
If it does come down to a tory bun fight remember the last time this happened was a compromise candidate called John Major.
That turned out well. Probably laid the grounds for the current situation.
I have been watching the parliamentary debates - in between breaks in the snooker - and I have been intrigued by the standard of coherence or otherwise of the contributions. I wonder how some of those get elected as mps if they can hardly string two words together. Shouldn't there be a test of basic English written and spoken to be elected?
Best speeches so far have all been from SNP & LibDems. A few Labour and the odd conservative.
Funniest is Vicky Ford as her voice gets higher and squeakier the more angry she gets and she gets very angry. Even raises a smile with Bercow.
I was assuming you were joking
i was joking
1/6 for May on sky bet.
I'll go with May, if only to keep out the don't-care-whether-no-deal-or-hard Brexit mob.
Last night German colleagues were saying that the UK is making Italy look like it has an organised political thing going on.
I'd vote for Timmy Mallet. He'd whip them EU types into shape with his large foam hammer!
WacaMay?
WacaMay?
Is that a sauce to go with tacos?
Corbyn?
Whatever the result of the tory vote a group of hard brexit or hard remain tory MPs are going to be massively peed off. It's not inconceivable that they could abstain in a no confidence vote called by the labour party. This is all heading in one direction, the collapse of the government.
she’s been given an impossible task
This is absolute horseshit and I'm sick of the attempts at painting her in a sympathetic light. Sure, she didn't campaign for brexit in the first place but after Cameron resigned she applied for the job, campaigned to take it on. She either knew it was an impossible task but was sufficiently arrogant/delusional to believe she was capable of it, or else she was clueless enough to not realise it was an impossible task.
Or, more likely in light of her subsequent behaviour, she neither knew nor cared about the task, but saw an opportunity to be leader and thought "let's just get through the next week and see what turns up".
Sympathy? Don't make me sick. She has ****ed up the country for two years now, it will take years to unpick the harm she has caused.
Corbyn?
Whatever the result of the tory vote a group of hard brexit or hard remain tory MPs are going to be massively peed off. It’s not inconceivable that they could abstain in a no confidence vote called by the labour party. This is all heading in one direction, the collapse of the government.
Why would Labour MPs vote to carry the can for Brexit?
If Corbyn takes over then then will be the people will be able to say this about him:
"This is absolute horseshit and I’m sick of the attempts at painting her in a sympathetic light. Sure, she didn’t campaign for brexit in the first place but after Cameron resigned she applied for the job, campaigned to take it on. She either knew it was an impossible task but was sufficiently arrogant/delusional to believe she was capable of it, or else she was clueless enough to not realise it was an impossible task.
Or, more likely in light of her subsequent behaviour, she neither knew nor cared about the task, but saw an opportunity to be leader and thought “let’s just get through the next week and see what turns up”.
Sympathy? Don’t make me sick. She has **** up the country for two years now, it will take years to unpick the harm she has caused."
She either knew it was an impossible task but was sufficiently arrogant/delusional to believe she was capable of it, or else she was clueless enough to not realise it was an impossible task.Or, more likely in light of her subsequent behaviour, she neither knew nor cared about the task, but saw an opportunity to be leader and thought “let’s just get through the next week and see what turns up”.
Or in my opinion the more likely option, she looked at the competition for the job, considered the task at hand and decided she still had to live here at the end of it and career suicide was the better alternative.
In her place I'd have run for office, not because i think i could have made good of the whole debacle, but because I'm entirely sure the alternatives were to make the whole thing deliberately and immeasurably worse. It's very much a case of for bad to triumph requires only that no-one else does anything, and every viable alternative in that leadership competition was decidely a bad option. The outcome of the May premiership might yet end up the same as or worse, but one concession I'll certainly give her is it won't be the outcome she wanted, i can't say the same of the rest of the previous candidates.
