[Closed] Pedestrians Give Way To Traffic......

At a pedestrian crossing?

That's pretty bad. I suspect due to legal implications of having zebras painted on the road without belisha beacons, but it clearly sends out the wrong message. I'd be tempted to put in a complaint, otherwise we can expect this stuff to get worse.

If you look up Broughton Shopping Park in google earth, you can see one of the signs on the crossing in the middle of the car park in Street View.

Why even have a crossing with no pedestrian right of way, waste of paint and signage

People in cars buy more than people on foot. Follow the money.

that is the opposite of the Highway Code. Harder vehicles must give way to softer vehicles. And I'd suggest that pedestrians are the softest vehicles. For example https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/answers/what-if-a-pedestrian-is-crossing-the-road-into-which-i-am-turning

Highway code would only apply on the, er, highway though.
I suspect that a car park isn’t classed as such, due to being private property (i freely admit I’m guessing here)
I do agree it’s a poor message though.

No, car parks are readily accessible to the public and still obey the highway code otherwise I couldn't of been done for speeding pissed up doing donuts in Safeway carpark.

Portugal has a rule where the pedestrian has to walk into the crossing before the cars have to stop.

Gets a bit hairy!

I cannot comment on the situation here. Similar signs are common round Milton Keynes city centre. That's because foot paths cross roads and even with the signs people frequently step out in front of cars and buses. Now of course it's the drivers duty not too kill the pedestrian. But it's quite a challenge for the drivers

In France you don't even need a crossing. If you are more than 50m from a zebra then signalling your intention to cross gives you priority - which is likely to be ignored but it at least makes the responsibility in the case of a collision clear: the pedestrian has right of way and it's up to the driver to stop.

Signs that contradict the highway code are worth a letter IMO OP.

Could the signs be there because the crossings aren't proper zebra crossings - and they're making it clear.

due to being private property (i freely admit I’m guessing here)

if it looks like a road and is used as a road then it doesn’t matter who owns it the responsibilities and liabilities of drivers are the same

I'm sure the first day at car park design university is devoted to dispelling the myth that there are more pedestrian movements than vehicle movements in a car park.
So there is no need to cater for people on foot.

The Highway code states the following for Zebra crossings

you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing

So going by that if someone is stood there waiting you do not have to stop to let them cross but you must stop once they have moved on to the crossing

https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/pedestrian-crossings.html

I wonder if the shopping centre signs are there to try and stop any build up of traffic in the car park caused by large amounts of people crossing?

The Highway code states the following for Zebra crossings

I think the implication is that most car park crossings are not legal zebras due to the absence of belisha beacons.

The issue of cars not stopping was raised on our local Facebook group a while back, and numerous people chimed in citing this fact as a perfectly justifiable and OK reason not to stop while somebody is waiting to cross with a child... This is the kind of mentality we've reached.

I often think that, if pedestrian crossings hadn't been invented yet, they wouldn't be installed now due to the anger - a walker can make ME stop MY car by pressing a light? They don't even pay road tax!

I hate retail parks with a passion.

perfectly justifiable and OK reason not to stop while somebody is waiting to cross with a child… This is the kind of mentality we’ve reached.

There's absolutely nothing stopping you from allowing people (with children or not) from crossing.
But what it may do is stop people stepping blindly out in front of oncoming cars.

Will it stop people driving blindly into crossing pedestrians though? Increasingly “crossing that aren’t crossings” are turning up all over the place, with the purpose it seems of corralling pedestrians out of the way, rather than enabling them to cross traffic.

over two years in Denmark and I still can't get used to cars giving way to cyclists and pedestrians, UK is just so backwards.