[Closed] Paying for services then not getting them - what to do?

I tell those who are adding fuel to the fire to mind their own business

It is their business. Both the supplier and the customers have commented in the public domain so it's perfectly reasonable for others to voice an opinion. You've voiced yours, for example.

The "innocent until proven guilty" thing is a red herring - this isn't a criminal court. The customers have laid out the facts as they see it and some considerable time has passed. People are commenting on the balance of probability.

Your actions are also of the poo agitating variety, just towards those who want answers. You seem to think that you are somehow better than those people, but im not sure why, perhaps because you perceive yourself to be, i don't know, some sort of big hitter?

I think Dave's innocence has long been deflowered given the number of failed promises he made on this thread and to those who have given him money for, so far nothing in return. Im all for giving someone plenty of chances to made good / redeem themselves, but I think its fair to say that ship is rapidly leaving port.

The customers have laid out the facts as they see it and some considerable time has passed.

eveyone is entitled to an opinion and mine is that you are innocent until proven guilty

Is that even in question ??

Seems like that particular question has been answered really.

Why are you SO keen for this to drop Don?
Until iDave comes good this thread should remain to serve as a warning to prospective clients.

Why are you SO keen for this to drop Don?

Let's see if we can let this slip off the page and into history.

Tell you what, let's not until we're sure it's been resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

And this is the main problem in cases like this, we have to make a decision based on what both sides want to publicise and we seldom see all the facts or the true story.

Let's see if we can let this slip off the page and into history.

I must agree. Sadly until everyone is sorted this should be up as warning/just incase.

Let's see if we can let this slip off the page and into history.

Would you say that if you (or one of your mates) had paid for a training plan, and received nothing but excuses ?

I'm guessing not.

You don't get to decide what people wish to discuss...

I'm guessing not.

don simon - Member

Why are you SO keen for this to drop Don?

Because you're boring.

Why are you SO keen for this to drop Don?
Until iDave comes good this thread should remain to serve as a warning to prospective clients.

+1

Plenty of people come on here asking about Dave's diet/training plan etc. If one of them never saw this thread (because it dropped several pages) and went and bought a training plan from him only to receive nothing, then they too would be most displeased. Sure, they should do due diligence (searching etc), but ATEOTD if they're busy and trust Dave because of his 'previous' reputation, then there's every chance they'll just stump up the cash expectantly.

Punters need to be aware of what's happening.

Refunds have been given, some are still due, some have asked for programs rather than refunds which are being worked on, a couple have not responded to emails.

If I recall correctly realman made no apology and offered no refund.

Very insightful, seeing as we're being childish, when does your school go back Don?

It's a good job I didn't say that then, isn't it?

The use of "we" suggests that you would like everyone to stop posting on this topic. If that's not what you meant then say so.

The irony is that you're doing more than anyone to keep the topic alive.

In which case, well done for coming on here to update things.

Which reminds me of something that was posted earlier.
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/paying-for-services-then-not-getting-them-what-to-do/page/7#post-4058205 ]http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/paying-for-services-then-not-getting-them-what-to-do/page/7#post-4058205[/url]
😆

If I recall correctly realman made no apology and offered no refund.

Would you without this thread? Guess its lucky someone started it eh, cos now we'll never know. 🙂

iDave

If I recall correctly realman made no apology and offered no refund.

POSTED 22 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST

Best not set your professional standards by that of an argumentative teenager eh?

Refunds have been given, some are still due, some have asked for programs rather than refunds which are being worked on, a couple have not responded to emails.

good to hear - thanks for the update, hope all is resolved soon.

If I recall correctly realman made no apology and offered no refund.

correct and his name is mud with many regulars, you too have (had) that choice

It's good to hear at least some people have had refunds at long last.

I would think it's a good pointer to all to make sure they don't pay up front for these sort of things in future

I'm curious as to the 'some'. Why not 'all who elected for refund rather than product'?

[i]I would think it's a good pointer to all to make sure they don't pay [s]up front[/s] for these sort of things in future [/i]

I'm a bit unsure as to the value of having someone telephone you and/or e-mail you a couple of times while you follow a presumably pretty standard training routine sent to you.

Can anyone who has actually done it tell me whether it has made a difference?

Well, folks can buy whatever they want as far as I'm concerned - I'm sure we all buy stuff that's of little or no real use from time to time.
As long as the vendor actual delivers what's been ordered in the time frame agreed and doesn't do a runner with the cash.

If I recall correctly realman made no apology and offered no refund.

I am glad you are resolving the issue and I hope it continues to be resolved, all be it slowly and with not much contrition.

What Junky says.....Realman really shouldn't be the benchmark for either how you go about running a business or how you deal with a dispute over payment of goods/service!

(realman made no apology and offered no refund)and now nobody (with a brain) will trust him,is this how you want us to see you 😯

he did send the stuff the person bought though.

Indeed. Caveat emptor applies, but at least in this case the emptor received the goods they had paid for. The issue there was a description one.

Services were offered and paid for, but not delivered at all, as far as I can see. Regardless of the description, there was nothing delivered.

As others have said, don't set yourself a low standard to work by, it hardly helps.

Anyone who received a refund care to post up?

Or is this info only held by idave?

Let's see if we can let this slip off the page and into history.

BUMPIDY BUMP

BUMPIDY BUMP

If anyone wants / needs is real name and email I think I still have them. Only for those ripped off by him.

Teej, his real name isn't a mystery, and his email has probably changed a number of times. I suspect the issues in question are more to do with his ability to supply the goods.

Anyone care to summarise the last 8 pages?

Anyone care to summarise the last 8 pages?

I've struggled through it, and managed to read it all !

and I feel a lot fitter 🙂

Seems to work.

did you lose any [s]£'s[/s] lb's tho?

Anyone care to summarise the last 8 pages?

Irish but UK/CH based, [s]sports performance advisor[/s] businessman targets forum frequented by tubby middle managers with plenty of disposable income.
Circulates [s]"free training plans"[/s] viral marketing campaign.
Said tubby middle managers send Irish but UK/CH based, [s]sports performance advisor[/s] businessman their hard earned in exchange for miracle cure.
Nothing gets delivered.
Everyone Kicks off.
Nothing gets delivered.
Irish but UK/CH based, [s]sports performance advisor[/s] businessman goes on holiday.
Everyone Kicks off.
Nothing gets delivered.
"don simon" continues to defend him.

Think I about covered everything....

works for me 😆

You missed out that said businessman man claims he's sorted it all out, yet none of the complainants have confirmed this,

yet.....

"don simon" continues to defend him.

I've been promised a refund and haven't yet had one. I'm more annoyed at Don Simon than iDave at the moment though. He's almost as annoying as Fred was.

You missed out that said businessman man claims he's sorted it all out, yet none of the complainants have confirmed this,

<not siding with DS> But by the same token you'd expect the complainants (quite rightfully IMO) to be on here complaining if refunds hadn't been made? </not siding with DS>

<not siding with DS> But by the same token you'd expect the complainants (quite rightfully IMO) to be on here complaining if refunds hadn't been made? </not siding with DS>

You mean like the post before yours?

Oh!

You mean like the post before yours?

Hmm, odd - that post wasn't there 20 mins ago (for me anyway), hence my response. Oh well, sadly looks like there's some life in this thread yet ...

<not siding with DS>

Raindog - Member
I've been promised a refund and haven't yet had one.

When was this? IIRC, everyone was promised satisfaction many times and.....

bump

Sorry I said nothing wrong on the other thread nor did I report any posts. Yet my post was deleted.

I am sceptical however I wonder how much pleading of hardship is going on compared to how many people out of pocket. I hope the 'minimal' information release has no ulterior motive however why cant idave be 100% clear in black and white on numbers owed?

Sorry as per IWH scam it leaves a bad taste. A scammer takes money and makes excusers. Doesnt matter how it starts out. IWH promised goods as well.

I guess this post will disapear but all the best to those owed money. Just be brutally honest idave, promise a plan to every within a month. Explain moneys an issue. Dont avoid or promise in another week etc. That is the bestway IMO.

Paying for services then not getting them - what to do?

I would simply get used to living in a falsified democracy!

why cant idave be 100% clear in black and white on numbers owed?

I did do on here some time ago. And I emailed them all, cc'd them all. Plans are being done for some, money has been refunded to some and a couple haven't responded.

Just be brutally honest idave

I have been, both on here and in emails to those affected and I'll get it all resolved. But I'm not going to respond to every post no matter how inaccurate.

To clarify a couple of points, I haven't been on holiday and I haven't been 'working' at the Olympics for the media either.

The situation I was in and am coming out of is that I pretty much lost everything and have been trying to rebuild that. The STWers out of pocket was a part off all the crap and I'm afraid I lost the will to post every detail of every aspect of the shit in my life. Whilst I understand the STW community wanting to see what they call justice, the on-going efforts of a few to prevent me doing business in any form just made everything worse.

I'll deal with those affected, everyone will get what they're after, I'll keeping working if everyone is OK with that and this will be the last response I'll make on STW to people who aren't directly involved.

Plans are being done for some, money has been refunded to some and a couple haven't responded.

Which one of these is Raindog? Presumably you're saying he hasn't responded?

I've been promised a refund and haven't yet had one.

I think you've got to realise that lots of people were initially very sympathetic about whatever it was that happened to you - but it doesn't honestly look like you've been busting a gut to make sure people have been done right - which is what most people would consider the right thing to do.

Edit: Just seen you're not going to respond to anyone not directly involved. I can kind of see where you're coming from - but your defensive attitude doesn't exactly inspire confidence/enthusiasm. Playing the victim isn't the best way to rebuild a business I wouldn't have thought, regardless of what's happened. I still don't quite understand how you lost all emails, files etc (backups?).

On your last sentence iDave. You'd never get future new business or respect though.

Hence its better to be totally transparent in your situation.

Nothing hidden or mirrors.

Hence its better to be totally transparent in your situation.

I've done that and people have decided it's not enough. I did it quite a few times actually. Do I spend all day responding to misinformed posts here or should I spend the time trying to get things back on track? You made some mention that I'd had a holiday? Based on what, your opinion? A rumour?

I still don't quite understand how you lost all emails, files etc (backups?).

Buy me a beer sometime and I'll tell you. It's all referred to somewhere within the forum.

I didnt mention anything about a holiday.

Still your hacked email/internet issue seems to be behind you and youve got time to ride Cannock.

Im out fella. I dont want anything else to do with this. Pop yourself in my Fred box ta.

Did this ever get sorted?