What % annual pay rise do you look for in your role, in particular management roles?
My last position before this, I had a sudden increase in pay at the end of the first year by around 25% due to a stipend doubling and an improved pay scale being implemented - it meant a big jump, and with flat 5% tax made for great savings.
I took about a 25% pay cut moving to this current role, which I saw as more beneficial career wise, and therefore could justify the cut in salary for a while.
At the end of the first year I received a 5% raise, plus 1.8% adjustments, and a months salary as a bonus.
Having just had the renewal and resigning talk, I was told I would get annual 5%, plus the 1.8% adjustment and a months bonus. over the next two years.
With exchange rates it has put me back to at my last position, although I am now taxed a lot more.
Feels a bit underwhelming compared to the 25% a few years ago.
Is this just greed?
Civil service, just above the mid point of my salary, which is - now - just above the benefits cap.
I will get less than 1%. And it is management level grade.
I am assuming this is a genuine post rather than a "look at meeeeeee!!" post. Got to say that in the current climate any sort of a payrise is pretty good. There are a lot of people, not just in the public sector, who are on a knife edge just for their job let alone any notions of a pay rise. I would say what you have had is pretty good. but that's just my opinion. 🙂
that would be a pretty good deal in the uk right now.
I don't know, but there can't be many people who get a 25% increase in basic salary every year "just because".
Around the 10% last month and the same about 6 months ago. I cant see me getting another pay rise in 6 months though
Feels a bit underwhelming compared to the 25% a few years ago
You were really hoping/expecting a yearly 25% increase?
Any pay rise is going to feel rubbish after a hefty 1-off scenario like that. Sounds like you need to get your head back to the real world.
Financials for the year wont be out for another month or so, I'm expecting somewhere between 1.5-2.5% (and a bonus of roughly 1/2 a months salary)
Feels a bit underwhelming compared to the 25% a few years ago.
Are you expecting a 25% increase every year? 😯
Is this just greed?
You work it out, you're the manager, aren't you?
mrs tts is a pharmacy manager with a well known high street pharmacy.. no rise this year or last and that followed 4 years of pay decreases ..
Mrs is in a public sector management role with about 100 staff. She hasn't had a pay rise in the last 3 years.
I'm in a private sector management role. My pay rises (promotions aside) have been about 2% PA over the same period.
Yes, I'd say a 5% rise was exceptionally good.
not a look at me, a genuine interest in what people get as pay rises, helps keep things in perspective for me, which at this moment from 3 posts in I am feeling it was a decent deal.
<1% in the pseudo Public sector (university)
I do get an annual increment bump though
2%
^ annual increment - is that inflation adjustment?
Is this post for real or just willy waving?Pay rises, foreign work etc
Many of us have not had a pay rise since the banks ****ed everything up up to you how [s]greedy [/s] career focused you are.
Personally I think you arr batting way above average in wages rises and way below it awareness.
5% is damn good, unless your role changes significantly then expecting more is a bit greedy.
^ thank you. genuinely not a willy waver, i presumed that STW was affluent enough to talk about these things with watch threads etc.
Last job I had in the UK was public sector and that was frozen when I was there. I don't know if it still is or not.
1% but with rising pension cost = pay cut.
5% is damn good, unless your role changes significantly then expecting more is a bit greedy.
Cheers - that is about what I was looking for.
My wife is in the Police on a pay structure that had pay rises built in - one of the reasons she took the role even though she started on a lower pay than her previous job was that she knew within X years, she'd be earning a decent amount more.
Then they cut all that & she's been on the same pay for 4 years or so. So, 0% pay rise there.
EDIT - oh, and seeing morecashthandash's post below reminded me, her pension payments have gone up (with no choice) but what she gets at the end has gone down) - so overall she is a lot worse off than she was.
Me - I started at the place I am currently at almost 4 years ago. I have had one pay rise after they did a review of salaries and found that I was slightly under where I should be for my role & experience. So that was levelling the playing field so to speak.
Apart from that, we have had no pay rise since I have been here.
We've been told that there is one coming in a few months but no indicator of how much. I'm expecting a few percent and would be very pleased to get 5 percent, given how the tough times are industry are having at the moment.
Just happy to have a job, working for a decent company with great colleagues at the moment given the state of our economy.
Annual increments gone in our corner of the public sector.
Forgot to factor in the increasing pensions contributions. So that increase of less than 1%..... 😥
Private sector here, Moved to a new company for 20% more, nothing last year, expecting nothing this year. May have to move again, we shall see.
2% for us this year I think- succesful industrial action last year, bluffs were called. But it's more about regradings etc so your personal pay deal varies a lot. TBH it seems pretty unfair, definitely squeaky wheels get greased and there's not much equality across the organisation. But I've done alright from it. (I've not had much pay rise but I got the entire job I do regraded up a role 2 years ago so that was worth about 20%)
I'm in the private sector and have had between 5-10% over the last few years.
How out of touch must you be to think 25% - a quarter of your wage - is anywhere near the norm? 1-2% in corporate IT is normal for an average performer without argument, promotion, of role change, depending on the books that could be 0%.
If you concerned your salary is incorrect check with the many scary checkers available on the internet.
We (sixth form college teachers) got 1% last year, after having nothing since the 2010 election (plus pension contribution increases, so a cut in overall pay).
We're expecting 1% this year, to be decided in a couple of months, but it won't be backdated to September like it used to be.
Private sector here - Big (blue) American company. Joined in 2010 and had nothing (0%) since - despite initial promises of bonus/annual increments before I joined.
Pay rise? I vaguely seem to recall hearing that phrase many years ago when I was a young man.....
Pre-2008 it was 5% per year but now 0% is the norm where I work (private sector).
Pay rise hahaha good one.
depends on where you are in your career.
When I first started in IT I was getting 10-15% every 6 months for a couple of years but it soon levelled out and since then the only time I get a decent bump is when I move roles.
My team are getting between 2-5% thi s month and I'm getting hee-haw (although I did get a decent bump with a promotion last year).
ive checked my pay statements.
between dec 2010 and dec 2015 my take home pay has increased by £46/month (2% in 5 years)
and there goes my work motivation...
Yep, no annual increments anymore, no CRTP, no unsociable hours payments anymore, and a 1.5% increase in pension contributions. Add to that news that NI top up rules are changing, so I may not draw a state pension under the old terms either. Don't think any of us in the public sector will offer too much in the way of sympathy I'm afraid.
1% for the last few years (since 2009 I think) so with inflation as it has been I've effectively been paid less every year.
Public sector.
A lot of people have left my place in the last 2/3 years, but I suppose if you are a talented civil engineer or project manager or similar you wouldn't put up with the 1% when you can get much better elsewhere.
Pre-banking crisis, it was 10-15% + bonus each year. After then it's been more like 5-6% + bonus each year. Except last year when promotion + pay rise was 32% (not incl bonus).
My educated guess is that this year is going to be 0% with minimal or no bonus.
I'm sufficiently self aware to understand this is outside the norm for many - Mrs North is a university type and is appreciative of the annual "spine point" increments in the absence of any other sort of payrise.
@ OP - you're deluded if you think you're being hard done by..!
that is just the increase in tax allowancesbetween dec 2010 and dec 2015 my take home pay has increased by £46/month
0% this year here.
That's basically because the market's tough so my services are worth the same (or less) than a year ago.
Does the business your in justify any more of rise than you got? If you're doing something that has 25% more value or has created more value than a year before then by all means chase a bigger hike.
dont say that JY - you will make me cry
tax allowances, NI contributions, pension contributions, rise in pension age, reduction in pension benefit (if it actually arrives)
between dec 2010 and dec 2015 my take home pay has increased by £46/month
No one likes a show off.
But at least you're reasonable not like the OP who seems to think he's hard done to.
Got a bonus for 2015, no pay rise for 2016. I took a jump in take home pay when I moved here in 2015 as the salary is a bit better than my last and I don't have a 120 km round trip every day, win in time not spent on the road, can commute by bike and I work with some great lads and there is a good environment...sitting tight for the moment as things are a bit shaky in the market, but if my particular business keeps heading down and the bonus/pay rise isn't up to scratch I'll probably start looking.
In my eyes, bonus is for work above and beyond and to keep you at the company. If you can get more else where and the environment is okay, go for it. Companies won't keep you around for a minute longer than they have to so you don't own them anything in return.
Do your work for the given salary, if the market goes up and they don't want to increase, then go else where and get it.
Private sector.
Pay rise? 😆
[i] tomd - Member
If you're doing something that has 25% more value or has created more value than a year before then [s]by all means chase a bigger hike[/s] watch as the board line their pockets while keeping their boot on the throat of pay rises. [/i]
FTSE 100 directors in 2014, on ave received salaries ~183 times that of ordinary workers.
in 1998 the ratio was ~47 times that of the ordinary worker.
Nice, eh?
you know what Drac, if i just remember that phrase "increased by £46/month" it sounds like that happened every month, not in total
now i think im better off.
*goes back to the holiday booking thread with renewed optimism*
of course even that would amount to under 10% over 5 years
The thing that I love about STW is the jump to conclusions that because I used the word 'management', someone must be well paid.
I'm in the private sector supporting a number of public sector organisations and I'm earning below the national average wage, had between 1% & 1.8% pay rise in the previous 3 or 4 years, nothing this year and have previously gone for 6 years without an increase.
But....
I enjoy my job most of the time, have a good team around me and live pretty local to the office in a nice part of the world so don't incur many work related travelling costs.
On the whole I'm quite happy but would never turn down a pay rise if it was offered.
Mind you I do own my house outright so once the energy bills, etc, are paid for the rest is pretty much pocket money.
Public sector, so all the same as above (ie: sod all for years). Also, because I refused to steal someone else's job during a reorganisation, my salary will reduce by £6000 this June. So I'm getting a 22% pay cut this year for doing the same job (different title though).
I am very aware that there are millions of people worse off than me, so, although this is a kick in the teeth, I suppose it could be worse.
My heart bleeds for you OP...
Quirrel - MemberThe thing that I love about STW is the jump to conclusions that because I used the word 'management', someone must be well paid.
In my opinion the word "management" means someone would be better informed about these things!
Congratulations on your huge salary increases. It's not greed. I think if everyone here had the opportunity to get a pay increase like that then they would take it. That would make them "greedy" I suppose, me included. I'm envious of your position. I get an annual CPI linked increase which over the past few years has been between 1-3%. There are other staff in my firm who get an RPI linked pay increase which inevitably means they get more than those on the CPI increases for doing the same work. The CPI linked increases were introduced for all newer staff and I think that's a bit unfair.
I work for a charity.
Pay increments do not happen. And have not for 8 years.
Pay rises also do not happen, unless they need you to take on an urgent new area of responsibility.
There is no way of progressing to a new pay scale.
The pay scale you are on has moved, but you have not.
I like my job but seeking new employment at present.
The last time I worked for "big business" the only pay rises around (for those on above-average salaries) were based on performance. So OP, are you 25% more productive?
Middle Management FTSE 100, company doing very well with record profits. Pay rises are pretty much non existent, they really are so low I would rather they didn't bother.
I never expect to see a material change, no matter how well I perform. Promotions no longer exist, your current role just get bigger by whatever dimensions are relevant, scope, reports, budget etc. It is now all about a bonus culture, nothing is consolidated and nothing becomes pensionable.
Overall in good year I do OK by most people's standards and should not complain when you look at how hard those in the public sector are being hit.
But I am 100% certain that the only way to see a change in my base salary is to leave. The last 10 years has seen a complete paradigm shift, the company will never go back and I don't foresee an economic landscape emerging that would demand a change.
I work in social care.In the last 8years I have had one 2.5% pay cut followed by 3 years with no pay rise, a 1% rise then 3 more years with no pay rise. My employer is a not for profit housing association.
I was setting the pay increases for the team today. It was an extremely good year last year so we could give some good increases. Also their end of year bonuses went into the banks today. Plenty of smiles and certainly one of the positive sides of tons of hard work from them.
I just typed a long answer, then got ****ing logged out again when I pressed the send post button.
In short: I've seen between 1.5 & 2% in the last 5 years with a panic "pay everyone more or they'll all leave" rise of 7.5%.
Feel very lucky compared to some.
I got 40% once.
Had to move house and change job/change industry sector.
There were two pay adjustments to my new role between me accepting and my start date, which was good.
Also moved from a notoriously bad paying employer (but they look good on the CV) to one of the best paying in the (new) sector. Since then, all actual pay increments have been 2-3% ish.
Unfortunately, every subsequent major job move (usually involving international borders) has involved a pay cut. Arse.
Probably back where i would have been if I'd stayed put.
25% sounds like getting through a probation period and being able todo the job properly. 5% would be luxury for most people these days.
As a minimum I would hope for inflation.
If I was getting better at my job then a % based on how close I was to being the best at that role.
Anything more than that would involve changing roles to take on more responsibility or bringing a significant amount more to the table such as sales, delivered work, efficiency or more experience.
are you 25% more productive?
In my experience, there is no straight-line relationship of this sort.
For example, this year I have received a very nice pay-rise (well short of 25% mind!) and a very generous bonus, after years of "buy yourself a nice Christmas ham from M&S" level bonuses and falling real-terms pay. It was the first year in my decade-long professional career when there has been [i]literally no remotely objective method of establishing whether I am adding any value[/i]. Coincidence? I think not...
🙂
No pay rise for 3 years, increased pension contributions & they started charging us for the privilege of being able to park at work with no guarantee of a parking space. The amount a percentage of your wage. I feel like I'm paying them not the other way around.
Pay rise? I'm not even sure what that means? I'm coming up to 4.5 years with nothing, although word on the grapevine is official 10% paycut and new contracts will be issued next week to welcome us into 2016. In fairness I did get a substantial increase moving to Oz (although a lot of that increase was flattering exchange rates and a vast abundance of overtime / sitework).
I did get a substantial increase moving to Oz (although a lot of that increase was flattering exchange rates and a vast abundance of overtime / sitework).
In the space of about 4 months I can claim to be significantly better or worse off compared to the UK, if you are spending it in the country you earn it then you can't compare it to somewhere else...
private sector here. it used to be at managers discretion, generally 5% every 18/24 months. Now its all performance related, where 'significantly overachieves' gets you a 1.8% increase
Quirrel - MemberThe thing that I love about STW is the jump to conclusions that because I used the word 'management', someone must be well paid.
Says the man ordering a custom frame! 
I'm probably more concerned about my pension and savings in 15 years as I won't have too many opportunities for advancement in retirement (apart from age) and the world economy is still pretty wobbly for pension fund investments
Include 1%-ish salary rises now and the next few decades are looking pretty depressing, and I'm lucky to have a pension and savings to be concerned about
The trend is seen working in commercial insurance is pay rise just about = inflation. Last job I was in it was inflation plus thrupence.
At the height of the crisis (2008, 09 & 10) it was the sum total of F x A.
In the current climate (and barring promotions etc) I'd expect at least inflation. Anything else would be a bonus.
Annual payrise?
Ha
Not had a Payrise in 3 yrs now.
[takes out willy]
However bonus at Christmas this year was a third of my salary. That was very unexpected but I've worked my stones off over the last year and personally sold one property. Id rather have it that way as opposed to in my salary as I never expect it/know what it is and therefore it's almost a way of saving.
[puts away willy]
I've had one pay rise in the last 11 years. That said as I have moved jobs due to redundancy a couple of times I am on less money now than I was 11 tears ago.
I'm an NHS senior manager - with pay scales only 1% higher than in 2009.
I have no access to any form of pay rise (inflationary, or pay scale increments) this year... and probably indefinitely.
The "1%" pay rise for public sector workers to 2020 is likely to be a total wage bill settlement; meaning that it also has to fund Living Wage etc.
Very depressing.
However bonus at Christmas this year was a third of my salary.
Congratulations!
pay ... rise pay ... rise? Nope never seen those two words together before.
Public sector.
following yesterdays calculations, i rode to work today - although with petrol the price it is, its not the saving it could be.
used the work shower too.
gonna take a poo in work time and, and, and use more loo roll than absolutely necessary.
hashtagthatwilllearnthem
I've been [s]quite[/s] very fortunate, managing to get 20% in the last year, but I've done that by taking on a lot more responsibility, with a corresponding huge step increase in workload, and being contactable every day - including all weekends, holidays etc. to problem solve for sites all over the country.
This isn't something that concerns me at all, as I love my job and live and breath it, but it's more an illustration of what's required to get more. My raise should I have stayed doing what I was doing would have been nothing.
Not meant in any way as a willy wave, I know how hard it is for 99% of families out there.
We get approx. 2% P/A here, however it is linked to our performance review. You have to get 'successful' to get the 'merit rise'
However due to various promotions my basic is now twice what it was when I started here 9 years ago.
We also get a bonus based on our dept performance - for a few years I got nothing (as we didn't make any money) but the last 3 years I've got an extra £5k before tax in Decembers pay packet.
Have a feeling that might be the last of it for a while though.