Well, I did... along with a few other traditional cheeses e.g. camembert, manchego. However I see this "shocking story" is doing the rounds as a clickbait article for local papers.
Was it not common knowledge?
Is this a rennet thing? Like with fondue and raclette cheeses.
Was it not common knowledge?
I didn't know, if that helps
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Full MemberWas it not common knowledge?
I didn’t know, if that helps
Are you common?
Is this a rennet thing
Exactly and I believe the cheeses are protected origin, e.g. Parmigiano Reggiano can't be sold as such unless it is made with certain ingredients, in this case animal rennet.
I didn't know, and just this Saturday, I was laughing at a pizza menu that described its Margherita as non-veggie friendly, and assumed they meant non-Vegan
I didn’t know. And I guess if you were a vegetarian it’s something you may find useful.
I’m not a vegetarian, I have no idea what rennet is….and a little scared to google it! Please don’t put me off my cheese!
a pizza menu that described its Margherita as non-veggie friendly
If it's a true Margherita then it could be non-veggie due to Mozzarella di Bufala DOP being used
Morrisons one is, discovered this yesterday
I’m not a vegetarian, I have no idea what rennet is….
Don't worry, most of what you read on the internet will just be some regurgitated tripe.
will just be some regurgitated tripe.
Don't think rennet is regurgitated tripe, is it?
regurgitated tripe
🤣
I'm veggie, but just because I had really bad gout and needed a diet change. I couldn't cut out achohol completely (I tried, but it was dull) so don;t eat meat anymore, along with a few other things like Marmite! Cheese is about the best thing I have so I'm not cutting that out!!
Rennet is a complex set of enzymes produced in the stomachs of ruminant mammals. Chymosin, its key component, is a protease enzyme that curdles the casein in milk. In addition to chymosin, rennet contains other enzymes, such as pepsin and a lipase.
Rennet has traditionally been used to separate milk into solid curds and liquid whey, used in the production of cheeses. Rennet from calves has become less common for this use, to the point that less than 5% of cheese in the United States is made using animal rennet today. Most cheese is now made using chymosin derived from bacterial sources.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rennet
Morrisons one is, discovered this yesterday
Are you sure? Everything I've read says it can never be Parmigiano Reggiano and vegetarian. Might be a veggie alternative or just incorrect information?
Vegetarian here, don't care becasue; cheese. This is the same for wine and clarifying agents
[S] Why would cheese make you not care about wine and clarifying agents? [/S]
Sorry, that was a stupid question. Because wine and cheese obviously.
See also isinglass in beer, and some wine. and chitin too (in wine).
There's definitely levels of give a toss amongst veggies and vegans. Some super strict, others less so. I guess it depends why you have chosen to be veggie/vegan. My wife describes herself as pescatarian but will happily eat jelly babies.
I'm nominally vegan and my hazy ethics are probably around not looking too hard at the beers and wine I drink, especially when out. And also honey and wool. I try and avoid honey, but I'm not not as strict about it as I probably should be. And I'm a bit conflicted about wool - as the petrochemical based alternatives seems to be cutting ones nose off. But as I make a point of never lecturing others on their choices or being particularly pious (or even mentioning it), I think I can probably live with some of my own hypocrisy.
Don’t let my mum hear you ask that…
You're Mark Thatcher, and you're going to admit that here? Brave fool, you'd get a better welcome in Equatorial Guinea.
along with a few other things like Marmite!
How can you stop eating Marmite?!?
More importantly for us addicts... how does it contribute to gout?
I knew this but choose to ignore the fact. There's quite a few desserts that are not vegetarian such as Aero Chocolate Mousse as they contain gelatine. I felt like such a bastard having to tell my daughter she was no longer allowed them after her (strict vegan) mother found out.
Completely fair enough if non-vegetarians don't know about things like rennet, but no excuse for caterers or cooks & chefs. It's eye-opening how little understanding of what goes in food when you have to check for things like that.
Cottage cheese and paneer are the safe veggie options, but outside of that it's a lottery in cafés/restaurants.
p.s. Sainsbury's Mary Ann's Dairy Hard Cheese makes a decent veggie pesto.
Don't start the cottage cheese debate again please.
I felt like such a bastard having to tell my daughter she was no longer allowed them after her (strict vegan) mother found out.
Were you shoveling several of them into your face at the time in order to get rid of them?
More importantly for us addicts… how does it contribute to gout?
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Vegetarian here, don’t care becasue; cheese. This is the same for wine and clarifying agents
+1
I draw the line at "was the animal killed for it" and "is there an alternative". So I know Parmesan isn't veggie, so when it's available I buy the not-Parmesan next to it in the supermarket that tastes exactly the same and costs half the price.
The ones that are annoying me at the moment is that due to the rising cost of everything, a lot of added "protein" (cereal bars, shakes etc) is no longer vegetarian as they use collagen (cheap) instead of whey (now ridiculously expensive).
Fun fact - Parma ham is made from pork from pigs fed on the leftover whey from Parmasan. Intensively reared animals eating animal products from intensively reared animals, where's this gone wrong before ............
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The blue top is damn good. Okay, still plenty of salt... but less than the yellow top. Not sure how much less...
[ EDIT: 25% less salt ]
I draw the line at “was the animal killed for it”
It's pretty difficult to remove a calf's stomach without killing it.
But still, cheese.
It’s pretty difficult to remove a calf’s stomach without killing it.
Pft. They didn't kill it for my veal steak though, they did it for that one over there
But as I make a point of never lecturing others on their choices or being particularly pious (or even mentioning it)...
Are you sure you're vegan?? 🤣
It’s pretty difficult to remove a calf’s stomach without killing it.
Yea, but if the whole world went vegetarian they wouldn't carry on killing cows for rennet or gelatin or collagen.
Although the price of milk would rocket as most dairy farms make their profit from selling the older cattle for mince.
but if the whole world vent vegetarian they wouldn’t carry on killing cows for rennet or gelatin or collagen
Because no one would use it, because we're all veggie?
They're all parts of a whole, what makes it profitable isn't just the tasty bits, take a little out here and a little there and the business case diminishes.
I'm a [relatively] happy omnivore but "this is just a by product" hasn't been true for a long time. Manufacturing in most any industry runon tight margins derived from the whole process not just the choice bits with any byproduct a happy bonus.
Yea, but if the whole world vent vegetarian they wouldn’t carry on killing cows for rennet or gelatin or collagen.
But we could still have cheese:
Because of the limited availability of mammalian stomachs for rennet production, cheese makers have sought other ways to coagulate milk since at least Roman times. The many sources of enzymes that can be a substitute for animal rennet range from plants and fungi to microbial sources.[8] Cheeses produced from any of these varieties of rennet are suitable for lactovegetarians. Fermentation-produced chymosin is used more often in industrial cheesemaking in North America and Europe today because it is less expensive than animal rennet.[9] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rennet#Alternative_sources
I’m a [relatively] happy omnivore but “this is just a by product” hasn’t been true for a long time. Manufacturing in most any industry runon tight margins derived from the whole process not just the choice bits with any byproduct a happy bonus.
I don't disagree, but it's certainly easier to argue that jelly babies are a byproduct of the meat industry, than to argue that the entire global meat industry is a byproduct of Maynard's confectionary. Certainly switching to mostly vegan protein supplements over Whey I take more support out of the meat industry than depriving myself of a nice Rioja and Margarita pizza, so it's a line I'm happy drawing there however semantic a point you want to make over it.
Don't get me wrong, you makes your choices you takes your chances and as a confirmed fan of various bits of animal I'm in no place to moralise about these things, doubtless I make a number of similar arguments to my self without really realising it.
You can keep your jelly babies though. Won't someone think of the jelly parents?
(but you can take my giant strawbs from my cold dead hands)
There’s quite a few desserts that are not vegetarian such as Aero Chocolate Mousse as they contain gelatine
Wait, what??? Even the mint ones??? Noooooo!
Sorry Steve, even the mint ones
"Mint Mousse 91% [Milk, Sugar, Cream (from Milk), Skimmed Milk Powder, Lactose (from Milk), Gelatine,"
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/259953235
There’s definitely levels of give a toss amongst veggies and vegans. Some super strict, others less so. I guess it depends why you have chosen to be veggie/vegan. My wife describes herself as pescatarian but will happily eat jelly babies.
Absolutely. Anyone with any sense decides what they want to eat and then attaches the closest label accordingly for the benefit of others; deciding you're veggie / vegan then going "right, what are the rules?" is arse about face.
I felt like such a bastard having to tell my daughter she was no longer allowed them after her (strict vegan) mother found out.
Her strict vegan mother doesn't have to eat it, this should affect your daughter why?
if an animal is killed then the whole of the carcass should be used. i guess the more important thing is how the animal is treated before it is slaughtered.
Her strict vegan mother doesn’t have to eat it, this should affect your daughter why?
within the boundaries of the law parents are free to raise their children how they see fit. what i want to know is why the dad has to break the bad news?
within the boundaries of the law parents are free to raise their children how they see fit. what i want to know is why the dad has to break the bad news?
Quite. Point was, there are two parents both with opinions on how best to raise their children. What happens if mum is a vegan and dad is practically a carnivore?
Give the kid a varied diet until she's old enough to make her own decisions, guided by her parents advice. No?
There's a way of doing it.
"Your mother has decided you're a vegan, and as a result you can't eat these delicious chocolate mouses... never mind. I'll finish them as it would be a waste of a sacrilegious cow's life to throw them away in the bin full. Mother will surely confirm that your bean curd and tofu surprise will be ebery bit as enjoyable. Bon Apitit."
I’m nominally vegan and my hazy ethics are probably
... because @convert needs some mental isinglass.
A lot of veggies don't seem know what's in what they eat.
Worcestershire Sauce is one. Made with anchovies but I see lots of veggies using it.
Give the kid a varied diet until she’s old enough to make her own decisions, guided by her parents advice. No?
Depends on your world view, that would make no sense to a vegan, which is why it's upto the parents and not society.
Although reduction ad absurdum works both ways on this.
Do you let kids do all sorts of things that are 'normal' in society but are objectively bad (sex, drugs and rock and roll), and then let them decide if they want to give them up later in life. Or do you start from a position of moral absolutism (no sex, no drugs, not rock and roll, no meat) and let them decide to take those things up as grown ups.
Worcestershire Sauce is one. Made with anchovies but I see lots of veggies using it.
Naaa, we use hendersons.
a) Veggie
b) Better
