[Closed] Parking ticket - train was late - worth appealing?

Oh and I should add that I park in the same car park once a week, usually overnight, and have handed 000's to the owners of the sambed place over the last few years....grrrrr...they charge £22 for my average stay.....

Look at it as a £30 gamble. I'd go for it.

And should there develop high drama
Upon which an inquest is heard
You may like to curb your lamenting
Until you’ve all heard the last word

Well he thought of a love unrequited
And he thought of a life full of pain
It’s a pity he didn’t spare a thought for
The poor bastard [s]driving the train[/s]parked at the station

I'd go for suing the family of the the deceased myself.

Is it a station car park? If not why should they care why you over stayed? If it is then I reckon its worth a go

Valid reason for appeal IMO.

And should there develop high drama
Upon which an inquest is heard
You may like to curb your lamenting
Until you’ve all heard the last word
Well he thought of a love unrequited
And he thought of a life full of pain
It’s a pity he didn’t spare a thought for
The poor bastard driving the trainparked at the station

I thought there was just one thread for shit poetry now?

I'd go for suing the family of the the deceased myself.

I wondered how long it'd take. I thought maybe more than 10mins.

I'd read the parking rules.

It's separate companies so appealing to the one issuing the fines better nature won't work - you need to find an actual grounds for the appeal against their own rules for the parking area.

It's a bit harsh but if you'd missed the train due to a bus being delayed by an RTA would you expect the fine to be revoked? If not why should the train being delayed matter to the co issuing the fine?

I wondered how long it'd take. I thought maybe more than 10mins.

Well clearly your first thought was hey lets take a gamble over £30, mine was shit it looks like some poor bastard got to the stage where walking in front of a train was better than going on.

I'm currently going through something very similar with the bunch of robbing bastards at NCP. The utter hatred I hold for those cock weasels cannot be measured.

Anyway - yes, definitely contest it. Don't give the thieving gits any more money than you have to. You have proof that the delay wasn't your fault and I'd play heavily on them profiting from someone's loss of life which is pretty shocking.

Depending on whether its a privately run company, you could also just not pay it. There are websites dedicated to getting off paying fines from private companies, I'm sure there's some hand wringers on here who will play holier than thou but these parking companies really are the lowest of the low and I have no issue screwing them over. You'll likely get a letter threatening a court summons if you don't pay it, which will be sent from the same address but a different company name acting as their legal representative. Continue to ignore it and eventually they'll go away. This of course is only relevant if its a private company and not the local council.

This (although via the telegraph) might help a bit more

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/ask-a-money-expert/do-have-pay-car-park-fines/ ]Parking FAQ[/url]

Just use the refund on your train ticket to pay it?

Well clearly your first thought was hey lets take a gamble over £30, mine was shit it looks like some poor bastard got to the stage where walking in front of a train was better than going on.

Nailed it. You are the superior human being.

Nailed it. You are the superior human being.

I'll concede to you on that point 🙂

[i] I've had s refund from Virgin[/i]

Which the OP applied for rather than receiving automatically?

[i] I'd play heavily on them profiting from someone's loss of life which is pretty shocking.[/i]

Awkward.

OP, when you say you "couldn't provide evidence that the train was late", did the company ask for this as part of the original appeal? If they did then, that sounds to me like an implication that they would accept the train you were traveling on being late, if backed by evidence, as sufficient to waive the contractual overstay fee they have charged you.

@curto80 - no, they just request evidence to back up whatever reason your providing in the appeal....it's actually quite hard to find evidence of a train being late (I've now found!)....but now I have the Virgin refund, I've got something to stand behind

To answer some of the other points:

1. It's next to the station, but not the station car park (private owner)
2. The Virgin refund doesn't cover the cost of the fine - and is to compensate me for other losses, not a parking fine
3.I totally agree that the parking companies are thieving bast4rds - recently got a £80 fine in one due to the fact that I'd stood at the machine for a few mins trying to get it to work, only to drive out and park in another car park because it wouldn't accept my change - you only got 4 mins to do this and I took 5!!! I managed to successfully appeal that one as I could show that I parked somewhere else immediately after.....grrrrr

Depending on whether its a privately run company, you could also just not pay it. There are websites dedicated to getting off paying fines from private companies

We did this and followed all the advice at the time (6 years ago) to just ignore it. Fast forward to september and have just paid out £257 to the parking company to avoid a CCJ.

curto80 - no, they just request evidence to back up whatever reason your providing in the appeal....it's actually quite hard to find evidence of a train being late (I've now found!)....but now I have the Virgin refund, I've got something to stand behind

[url= http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/ ]Real Time Trains[/url]

[url= http://recenttraintimes.co.uk/ ]Recent Train Times[/url]

Admittedly only 7 days of data though, beyond that it's harder.

2. The Virgin refund doesn't cover the cost of the fine - and is to compensate me for other losses, not a parking fine

Out of interest, what other losses did you sustain from the late arrival of, I presume, your return train?

Totally justified to appeal. How can they have the cheek to refuse.

Realtime trains is only 7 days. The rail industry has the full data just it's not exposed to the public. It's how they verify your compensation claims.

Good luck.

Don’t ignore..
they will be attempting to use railway bylaws against you.
I suspect as you’ve appealed already you’ve named the driver which has blown one of your defence points

Go to pepipoo for proper advice on tackling this.

Don’t listen to the “if you’ve done the crime to the time” or any other rubbish.

If you want to put a proper appeal together it will be some work, up to and including possibly sorting out a defence for court.

Good luck

I still don't understand how 'It wasn't my fault' is seen as a reasonable appeal to get a company to not apply their parking rules.

^^^now I'm puzzled [MartynS], how does railway bylaw relate to a private car park? How does admitting who was (not) driving relate to a parking fine?

In some countries you can actually park your car for FREE.
Mental eh ?

In some countries you can actually park your car for FREE.
Mental eh ?

...and in others you can't.

This whole thread makes me feel really grubby, for some reason.

wallop - Member
This whole thread makes me feel really grubby, for some reason

Because it parades your STW addiction in front of you?

In our carpark if none of the cash taking machines are working you can phone up and use your credit card.
You are however charged a 50p "convenience" fee.
****ers.

Yes deffo appeal and make a contribution to the deceased family with the saving. Just before christmas too, terrible thing to happen.

Why do you continue to pay high parking fees, can you not get a brompton and park further away?

Because it parades your STW addiction in front of you?

You’re gonna have to explain that one to me 😆

wallop - Member
Because it parades your STW addiction in front of you?
You’re gonna have to explain that one to me

Well the only reason i opened a thread about late trains and parking fines was the [b]need[/b] to open a thread and it happened to be near the top. It's not exactly riveting subject matter you see but there seems to be a lack of exciting threads this morning.

But I'm not addicted, oh no, it's just an effective and necessary way of distracting my self from the drudgery of the work day.

^^^now I'm puzzled [MartynS], how does railway bylaw relate to a private car park? How does admitting who was (not) driving relate to a parking fine?

private parking generally relies on (civil) contract law. A change was made some years ago under the protection of freedoms act to allow Private parking companies to be able to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable where before it was just the driver as the driver was the only one who could form a contract.
Bylaws apply to some land, airports and railways specifically where old laws haven't been updated. Parking enforcement was outsourced to private companies who don't really have the right to enforce bylaws (only the landowner can) yet they rely on the bylaw to charge you. Its a bit naughty..
The protection of freedoms act dosnt apply to bylaws so in theory the PPC can't chase the keeper only the driver so at the point of the ticket you just don't tel them who was driving (you are under no obligation to tell them) Quite often the tickets are basically incorrect so there's another appeal point (you cant rely on contract and bylaw)
Appealing as the driver has closed the first point here.

If this was a first appeal to the PPC and its now going to POPLA then there is a chance the appeal will be upheld but the OP will need to pot evidence together, not just my train was late...

not an expert but thats as i understand it.

I don't know what value the OP puts on their time but for £50 I'd just pay up and get on with life.

Ignore is not an option anymore regardless of where it happens.

Pepipoo would be my first port of call but since you have presumably already admitted liability I'd say you have limited grounds to appeal on. Oh, and they have no better nature.

Well the only reason i opened a thread about late trains and parking fines was the need to open a thread and it happened to be near the top. It's not exactly riveting subject matter you see but there seems to be a lack of exciting threads this morning.

But I'm not addicted, oh no, it's just an effective and necessary way of distracting my self from the drudgery of the work day.

No, that's not the reason 😆

I don't know what value the OP puts on their time but for £50 I'd just pay up and get on with life.

And it's exactly this sentiment which keeps them in business.

What company issued the ticket, out of interest?

What company issued the ticket, out of interest?

I'm going with NCP...

I sat on a (delayed overcrowded) train this morning plotting a way to visit every NCP ticket machine in the area during the early hours of the morning. Using an electrical device I'd disable it thus costing a small fortune to fix each machine. I'd probably dress all in black, probably with a mask or some sort and flick the security camera the bird as I strolled off into the darkness like a total badass leaving a wake of carnage behind me.

Then I realise
a) I have no knowledge of electrical devices
b) Once I'm off the train and calmed down I probably won't be arsed and breaking the law scares me
c) I work in IT and have the upper body strength of an 8 year old
d) I need to stop reading assassin books
e) I have anger management issues

Just pretend to use the machine and glue the enter button.

Just pretend to use the machine and glue the enter button

And THEN use the laser yeah?

And it's exactly this sentiment which keeps them in business.

This entirely, robbing gits.

I don't know what value the OP puts on their time but for £50 I'd just pay up and get on with life.

Cos to some people, me included, £50's a lot of money.

Working in IT, you need a BOFH clamp. Leave your phone at home and give the machine a good shocking. A small EMP will also do the job. Fried circuit boards and runaway silicon should cost a small fortune to repair.

Failing that petrol bombs and burn them like the speed camera on the A14 at junction 35. (I've not given this much thought, not at all). 🙂

I sat on a (delayed overcrowded) train this morning plotting a way to visit every NCP ticket machine in the area during the early hours of the morning. Using an electrical device I'd disable it thus costing a small fortune to fix each machine. I'd probably dress all in black, probably with a mask or some sort and flick the security camera the bird as I strolled off into the darkness like a total badass leaving a wake of carnage behind me.

Then I realise
a) I have no knowledge of electrical devices
b) Once I'm off the train and calmed down I probably won't be arsed and breaking the law scares me
c) I work in IT and have the upper body strength of an 8 year old
d) I need to stop reading assassin books
e) I have anger management issues

petrol powered disc cutter. apparently this took a couple of minutes to remove...

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